Re: [time-nuts] 1pps; what good is it?

2006-07-21 Thread Hal Murray
 It also has a 1 pulse per second output; what is it good
 for, in industry, and for me?

That 1 PPS signal ticks on the UTC second boundary.  That lets you transfer 
accurate time as well as frequency to other boxes.

Suppose you want to build a time server.  If you connect up the serial port, 
you can ask the Z3801A what time it is.  The answer won't be very accurate 
(few ms) because of delays in the serial port hardware and software.  With a 
PPS signal (and widely available patches to the OS) you can get that down to 
microseconds.

The PPS signal alone doesn't tell you which second a pulse corresponds to.  
You need to know the time within a fraction of a second by some other means 
such as the serial port.


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Re: [time-nuts] 1pps; what good is it?

2006-07-21 Thread tom
the 1 sec pulse can be used on a counter for a gating the 10mhz on the 
counter to set it very close  as one example. 


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[time-nuts] Cesium lockup

2006-07-21 Thread Magnus Danielson
Fellow time-nuts,

This evening I was presented with a dilemma, either to check if my repaired Cs
beam would lockup or go out dancing (and chasing chicks). Being told about the
dancing a bit late, being inproperly dressed, unshaved and all, I felt the
time nut in me was having a strong case, so it became a Cesium lockup wake
instead! ;O)

And yes, to the best of my abilities to judge things, after the replacement of
a tired component, my Cesium beam now locks up and behaves quite sanely. It is
still tracking in closer and closer but it seems to track along. Before I had
an oscillating behaviour since it lost lock due to noisy measures which could
be traced to a particular component. I was unable to find a replacement but a
fellow time-nut helped me out and this evening I got the additional help to
solder the replacement in.

I want to monitor the progress over the next few days (with continous logging)
but it looks very promessing. Now I have a nice little challenge in finding out
how I best is going to have it hooked up and kept running in my rig.

So, I just wanted to share this happy feeling with some people that might
apprechiate it.

Now I may start calibrating my Rubidium (finally after all these years).

I have to arrange for a propper GPS antenna solution too. But now I have a good
feeling to start the exercises from. ;O)

Cheers,
Magnus

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Re: [time-nuts] Cesium lockup

2006-07-21 Thread Glenn

That's friggin' awesome! :)

cheers,
glenn

Magnus Danielson wrote:

Fellow time-nuts,

This evening I was presented with a dilemma, either to check if my repaired Cs
beam would lockup or go out dancing (and chasing chicks). Being told about the
dancing a bit late, being inproperly dressed, unshaved and all, I felt the
time nut in me was having a strong case, so it became a Cesium lockup wake
instead! ;O)




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[time-nuts] On Setting Precision Clock

2006-07-21 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi:

I've been working on making a LCD based clock where the PIC 
microcontroller uses a precision frequency source as it's heartbeat.  
Today I got the LCD navigation and time-date setting to work, but don't 
like it.  The current version stops the clock and then uses the cursor 
and blink hardware features of the LCD, but the problem is that cursor 
and blink are global, i.e. they can not be used when the LCD is being 
updated constantly (like once each second).  So I'm thinking of better 
ways to set the clock and my current idea is to use a couple of 
characters at the very upper right of the LCD is indicators.  They might 
be HH, MM, SS, YR, MO, DY or others, and can be changed by the Select 
button.  Then pressing the Increment or decrement buttons would change 
the associated counter.   This way you would not loose the 1 PPS edge 
when changing the time or date.
http://www.pacificsites.com/~brooke/PRC68COM.shtml#PC3  - as it is 
today

Any thoughts?

Have Fun,

Brooke Clarke

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Re: [time-nuts] Cesium lockup

2006-07-21 Thread Bill Hawkins
Magnus,

Congratulations. You have moved closer to the goal that motivates
us all, knowing the exact time to 10E-6 times less than human
wetware is capable of comprehending, or is that 10E-12.

It is remarkable that we are able to measure time to far more
precision than we can measure physical things, especially since
post-modern science suggests that time doesn't exist. But then,
post-modern pushes the envelope beyond all reasonable dimensions.

No criticism intended - I have enjoyed and learned from your postings.

Regards,
Bill Hawkins


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Subject: [time-nuts] Cesium lockup

Fellow time-nuts,

This evening I was presented with a dilemma, either to check if my repaired
Cs beam would lockup or go out dancing (and chasing chicks). Being told
about the dancing a bit late, being inproperly dressed, unshaved and all, I
felt the time nut in me was having a strong case, so it became a Cesium
lockup wake instead! ;O)

And yes, to the best of my abilities to judge things, after the replacement
of a tired component, my Cesium beam now locks up and behaves quite sanely.
It is still tracking in closer and closer but it seems to track along.
Before I had an oscillating behaviour since it lost lock due to noisy
measures which could be traced to a particular component. I was unable to
find a replacement but a fellow time-nut helped me out and this evening I
got the additional help to solder the replacement in.

I want to monitor the progress over the next few days (with continous
logging) but it looks very promessing. Now I have a nice little challenge in
finding out how I best is going to have it hooked up and kept running in my
rig.

So, I just wanted to share this happy feeling with some people that might
apprechiate it.

Now I may start calibrating my Rubidium (finally after all these years).

I have to arrange for a propper GPS antenna solution too. But now I have a
good feeling to start the exercises from. ;O)

Cheers,
Magnus

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Re: [time-nuts] On Setting Precision Clock

2006-07-21 Thread David Forbes
At 6:29 PM -0700 7/21/06, Brooke Clarke wrote:
Hi:

I've been working on making a LCD based clock where the PIC
microcontroller uses a precision frequency source as it's heartbeat.
Today I got the LCD navigation and time-date setting to work, but don't
like it.  The current version stops the clock and then uses the cursor
and blink hardware features of the LCD, but the problem is that cursor
and blink are global, i.e. they can not be used when the LCD is being
updated constantly (like once each second).  So I'm thinking of better
ways to set the clock and my current idea is to use a couple of
characters at the very upper right of the LCD is indicators.  They might
be HH, MM, SS, YR, MO, DY or others, and can be changed by the Select
button.  Then pressing the Increment or decrement buttons would change
the associated counter.   This way you would not loose the 1 PPS edge
when changing the time or date.
http://www.pacificsites.com/~brooke/PRC68COM.shtml#PC3  - as it is
today

Any thoughts?

Have Fun,

Brooke Clarke

Brooke,

You can make some digits blink by changing them to spaces every other 
time you write out the string to the LCD. Write the string out about 
4 times per second, resulting in two blinks per second. It's a bit 
more work, but it gives better control of the display.

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