Re: [time-nuts] Austron 1201-D
Had, Do you mean 1210D? If so, the answer is yes. About an inch thick with several fold out drawings. I'm in UK. Will cost approx £18 (~$35US) to air mail (untracked). International Signed for tracked options would be more expensive. Rob Kimberley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Had Sent: 27 February 2007 00:46 To: time-nuts-febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Austron 1201-D Greetings nuts, Would anyone have a manual for a Austron 1201-D Clock. Any format or I can scan. Thanks, Hadley, K7MLR A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bare Arms, shall not be infringed. This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message. Any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
[time-nuts] Datum name has re-surfaced?
Interesting item on EBay. Slave clock apparently made by Datum. Item number: 200058558853 Must be another company using that name, as they never made a Model 241 AFIK. Rob Kimberley ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] Austron 1201-D
Rob, I've been looking for the 1210D manual as well. Do you have more than one copy? If not, perhaps we can arrange a scanning party... John Rob Kimberley wrote: Had, Do you mean 1210D? If so, the answer is yes. About an inch thick with several fold out drawings. I'm in UK. Will cost approx £18 (~$35US) to air mail (untracked). International Signed for tracked options would be more expensive. Rob Kimberley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Had Sent: 27 February 2007 00:46 To: time-nuts-febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Austron 1201-D Greetings nuts, Would anyone have a manual for a Austron 1201-D Clock. Any format or I can scan. Thanks, Hadley, K7MLR A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bare Arms, shall not be infringed. This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message. Any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] Austron 1201-D
I can use one also as I have a 1210D. Earlier inquiries for a manual never received a response. Regards - Mike Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 908-902-3831 - cell -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Ackermann N8UR Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 8:31 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Austron 1201-D Rob, I've been looking for the 1210D manual as well. Do you have more than one copy? If not, perhaps we can arrange a scanning party... John Rob Kimberley wrote: Had, Do you mean 1210D? If so, the answer is yes. About an inch thick with several fold out drawings. I'm in UK. Will cost approx £18 (~$35US) to air mail (untracked). International Signed for tracked options would be more expensive. Rob Kimberley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Had Sent: 27 February 2007 00:46 To: time-nuts-febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Austron 1201-D Greetings nuts, Would anyone have a manual for a Austron 1201-D Clock. Any format or I can scan. Thanks, Hadley, K7MLR A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bare Arms, shall not be infringed. This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message. Any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] Linux code for Prologix GPIB/USB
Hal,
no matter whether you use my stuff or not: The very first thing you
should do after opening the serial port is to transmit a ++auto 0 to
hinder the interface from sending something own its own. My own internal
stuff reads as follows:
if QCCom32.Opened then
begin;
Debugform.Console.WriteString('Port has been opened'+#13+#10);
Qccom32.Flush;
sendstring:='++auto 0'+#13+#10;
sendflag:=true;
autoenabled:=False;
repeat
sleep(10);
application.ProcessMessages;
until sendflag=false;
debugform.Console.WriteString('Send ++auto 0 command'+#13+#10);
sendstring:='++ver'+#13+#10;
sendflag:=true;
repeat
sleep(10);
application.ProcessMessages;
until sendflag=false;
debugform.Console.WriteString('Send ++ver command'+#13+#10);
j:=0;
repeat
inc(j);
sleep(100);
until dataavailable or (j=10);
if dataavailable then
begin;
PLfound:=(pos('GPIB-USB',Valuebuffer)0);
DataAvailable:=False;
end;
Best regards
Ulrich Bangert
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Hal Murray
Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. Februar 2007 04:32
An: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Betreff: Re: [time-nuts] Linux code for Prologix GPIB/USB
At the end of the USB cable there is a FTDI chip that (in
conjunction
with the appropiate driver) emulates a serial port. This
serial port
in turn is connected to the serial port of an AVR type of
microcontroller. Because this microcontroller expects a certain
setting of serial transmission parameters you have to set them
correct, otherwise it will not understand your commands.
Thanks. Makes sense, I guess. I was assuming they had
reprogrammed the FTDI
chip rather than adding another CPU. (I'm not sure why. The
AVR is pretty
obvious.)
There is a layer of stuff I haven't sorted out yet. It's all
tangled up in
the GPIB device being at the far end of a serial (USB or
RS-232) string. The
Prologix defaults to automagiclly reading data when it
becomes available and
sending it up to the kernel rather than waiting for you to
explicitly poll it.
I see two cases where that might get confusing. One is when
you send it a
command at about the time it sends you something. You can't
tell if the data
you get arrived before or after your command.
My normal command sequence is running in single cycle mode so
it's easy to
stay in lock step once you get started. So far, I haven't
had any troubles
getting through initialization, but I'll bet my code would
screwup if it got
delayed for long enough in the right places.
The other case is if you are talking to several devices.
Again, there is a
race as you switch devices. You can't tell if the string
arrived before or
after you switched. I think this case can be avoided by
switching to a
device that doesn't exist, checking for input, then switching
to the new
device. It probably requires some pauses in the right place.
I have only very limited Linux experience and even less
with Windows
emulation under Linux.
You probably know more about Linux than I do about Windows.
I was just looking for a subroutine package rather than a GUI/IDE.
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Re: [time-nuts] Austron 1201-D
In view of the responses to the original post, I'll take the bull by the horns and scan it for the group. Will take me a while, so make yourselves a coffee and put your feet up. :-) Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Ackermann N8UR Sent: 27 February 2007 13:31 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Austron 1201-D Rob, I've been looking for the 1210D manual as well. Do you have more than one copy? If not, perhaps we can arrange a scanning party... John Rob Kimberley wrote: Had, Do you mean 1210D? If so, the answer is yes. About an inch thick with several fold out drawings. I'm in UK. Will cost approx £18 (~$35US) to air mail (untracked). International Signed for tracked options would be more expensive. Rob Kimberley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Had Sent: 27 February 2007 00:46 To: time-nuts-febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Austron 1201-D Greetings nuts, Would anyone have a manual for a Austron 1201-D Clock. Any format or I can scan. Thanks, Hadley, K7MLR A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bare Arms, shall not be infringed. This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message. Any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] Austron 1201-D
Rob - Boy, that will be some undertaking. We sure do appreciate your efforts. Thanks again - Mike Mike B. Feher EOZ Inc. 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 908-902-3831 - cell -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Kimberley Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 11:22 AM To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Austron 1201-D In view of the responses to the original post, I'll take the bull by the horns and scan it for the group. Will take me a while, so make yourselves a coffee and put your feet up. :-) Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Ackermann N8UR Sent: 27 February 2007 13:31 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Austron 1201-D Rob, I've been looking for the 1210D manual as well. Do you have more than one copy? If not, perhaps we can arrange a scanning party... John Rob Kimberley wrote: Had, Do you mean 1210D? If so, the answer is yes. About an inch thick with several fold out drawings. I'm in UK. Will cost approx £18 (~$35US) to air mail (untracked). International Signed for tracked options would be more expensive. Rob Kimberley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Had Sent: 27 February 2007 00:46 To: time-nuts-febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Austron 1201-D Greetings nuts, Would anyone have a manual for a Austron 1201-D Clock. Any format or I can scan. Thanks, Hadley, K7MLR A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bare Arms, shall not be infringed. This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message. Any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
[time-nuts] Important RTFG interface information
I just acquired the mysterious interface cable that goes between the RTFG-m-XO and RTFG-m-RB units. I have suspected that it wasn't a simple crossover cable, because the results I've seen with my homemade crossover haven't made a lot of sense. Here's the scoop: the interface cable is a simple DB-9 to DB-9 ribbon cable with the ribbon flipped -- the striped side goes to pin 1 on the RB end, and to pin 5 on the XO end. We pretty much knew that. However, the conductor on the other edge of the ribbon (between pin 5 on the RB end, and pin 1 on the XO end) is BROKEN in the middle. So, there is NO CONNECTION between XO pin 1 and RB pin 5. (It goes without saying, but I'll say it anyway, that this means the cable ends are not interchangeable -- there is an XO end and an RB end.) Hope this is helpful. I got a few more interesting bits and pieces along with this cable, but I think this is the important news for those of us trying to interface these units at home. John ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] Austron 1201-D
Mike, Have scanned approx half manual tonight - Intro thru to end of Chapter 4. Hope to get finished tomorrow, and will put a PDF copy on my web site. Cheers Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Feher Sent: 27 February 2007 17:06 To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Austron 1201-D Rob - Boy, that will be some undertaking. We sure do appreciate your efforts. Thanks again - Mike Mike B. Feher EOZ Inc. 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 908-902-3831 - cell -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Kimberley Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 11:22 AM To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Austron 1201-D In view of the responses to the original post, I'll take the bull by the horns and scan it for the group. Will take me a while, so make yourselves a coffee and put your feet up. :-) Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Ackermann N8UR Sent: 27 February 2007 13:31 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Austron 1201-D Rob, I've been looking for the 1210D manual as well. Do you have more than one copy? If not, perhaps we can arrange a scanning party... John Rob Kimberley wrote: Had, Do you mean 1210D? If so, the answer is yes. About an inch thick with several fold out drawings. I'm in UK. Will cost approx £18 (~$35US) to air mail (untracked). International Signed for tracked options would be more expensive. Rob Kimberley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Had Sent: 27 February 2007 00:46 To: time-nuts-febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Austron 1201-D Greetings nuts, Would anyone have a manual for a Austron 1201-D Clock. Any format or I can scan. Thanks, Hadley, K7MLR A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bare Arms, shall not be infringed. This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message. Any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt versus Home made
On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 09:52:55 -0600, you wrote: Angus wrote: Although that's not what I was talking about doing above, I think that it's pretty much what some of the hardware GPSDO's actually do using various types of oscillators (and to good effect too). As in these: http://www.jrmiller.demon.co.uk/projects/ministd/frqstd.htm http://www.frars.org.uk/cgi-bin/render.pl?parameter=pageid=1285 the loop filter is basically just an RC circuit. It's not quite raw GPS, but is quite different to using a digital filter as used in a Thunderbolt, Shera, etc., which can run to hours. When the N1JEZ board was mentioned, I assumed that it was this type of controller that was meant - and I think it does need 10KHz unless it gets much more of a mod than a couple of counters. Angus. Angus, Don't get me wrong, the James Miller design does a great job, considering it's simple and elegant implementation and the fact that for so little money you can have a frequency standard that beats anything a ham could make in his or her shop. This will do a great job for most applications where you want to be within a few Hz or so around 10 GHz, and as long as the GPS signals are good. For the intended market, if the GPS signals are not good, you simply wait or move the antenna. A lot of the money spent on commercial GPSDO's is spent on improving hold-over performance, because many commercial applications simply cannot postpone using the system until the GPS signal is good. I just wanted to point out that the 10 kHz output can be misleading. The GPS timing is such that if you have a quality OCXO, a loop faster than at least 20 minutes will actually do a disservice to the OCXO, regardless of the PLL reference frequency. If you use an inexpensive, not temperature stabilized VCXO, you can probably speed up the loop quite a bit, simply because the VCXO itself in free running mode will not be doing that great. If your frequency and time needs are modest (and that probably covers 99% of applications, including anything I could dream of personally), this design will be perfectly satisfactory. But, and this is a significant caveat, this is TIME-NUTS where most people are looking at that like the holly grail 1% :-) Didier Hi Didier, Sorry, my original post was not very clear - I had only wondered if faster PPS signals might ever help with the measurement each second; I didn't mean to suggest that they might affect the required overall loop time much. ( Thinking back to all the posts a couple of months ago, I should probably resist any urge to comment on the effect of sawteeth on stability for the moment... ) Anyway, I was just curious. It's one of the many things I don't have much time to mess with, so wondered if anyone else had - but apparently not. Angus. ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] Password recovery on Symmetricom TS3000/3100
Hi, Is there anybody who can assist with PW recovery on a TimeSource 3100 GPS based PRS. One of our students changed the default password and now we are locked-out... I take it it is a jumper on the board somewhere, but the manual gives no info on this. Christophe, Remove the card from the shelf, in front right hand side there is a jumper named DB Init move the the jumper from A to B or vice versa. When the unit starts will detect the change in the jumper and go to factory defaults. Then you can use the default user name and password (is in the manual) NOTE: All settings will reset to default. If you can not tolerate downtime then you need to get the back-door password call Symmetricom technical support for help. http://www.symmetricom.com/Contact/Customer_Assistance_Centers/ PS: I work for Symmetricom but this is not an official Symmetricom response, I'm wearing my hobbyist hat in this mail list. --ga ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] Important RTFG interface information
Pins 1 and 5 on each unit control the failover functionallity. If you disconnect them entirely on both the XO and RB units, both units will be in ON mode. But it will be interesting to see what happens when it goes only one way. - Original Message - From: John Ackermann N8UR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 17:27 Subject: [time-nuts] Important RTFG interface information I just acquired the mysterious interface cable that goes between the RTFG-m-XO and RTFG-m-RB units. I have suspected that it wasn't a simple crossover cable, because the results I've seen with my homemade crossover haven't made a lot of sense. Here's the scoop: the interface cable is a simple DB-9 to DB-9 ribbon cable with the ribbon flipped -- the striped side goes to pin 1 on the RB end, and to pin 5 on the XO end. We pretty much knew that. However, the conductor on the other edge of the ribbon (between pin 5 on the RB end, and pin 1 on the XO end) is BROKEN in the middle. So, there is NO CONNECTION between XO pin 1 and RB pin 5. (It goes without saying, but I'll say it anyway, that this means the cable ends are not interchangeable -- there is an XO end and an RB end.) Hope this is helpful. I got a few more interesting bits and pieces along with this cable, but I think this is the important news for those of us trying to interface these units at home. John ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] Important RTFG interface information
I've seen situations where it seems that the units aren't being disciplined as they should be. I hope that getting this cable right will solve that problem. John [EMAIL PROTECTED] said the following on 02/27/2007 06:57 PM: Pins 1 and 5 on each unit control the failover functionallity. If you disconnect them entirely on both the XO and RB units, both units will be in ON mode. But it will be interesting to see what happens when it goes only one way. - Original Message - From: John Ackermann N8UR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 17:27 Subject: [time-nuts] Important RTFG interface information I just acquired the mysterious interface cable that goes between the RTFG-m-XO and RTFG-m-RB units. I have suspected that it wasn't a simple crossover cable, because the results I've seen with my homemade crossover haven't made a lot of sense. Here's the scoop: the interface cable is a simple DB-9 to DB-9 ribbon cable with the ribbon flipped -- the striped side goes to pin 1 on the RB end, and to pin 5 on the XO end. We pretty much knew that. However, the conductor on the other edge of the ribbon (between pin 5 on the RB end, and pin 1 on the XO end) is BROKEN in the middle. So, there is NO CONNECTION between XO pin 1 and RB pin 5. (It goes without saying, but I'll say it anyway, that this means the cable ends are not interchangeable -- there is an XO end and an RB end.) Hope this is helpful. I got a few more interesting bits and pieces along with this cable, but I think this is the important news for those of us trying to interface these units at home. John ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
