Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather's Window
By the way, I can't run the DOS version here at all, so let me know if anything looks significantly different. -- john, KE5FX -Original Message- From: John Miles [mailto:jmi...@pop.net] Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:50 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Lady Heather's Window Here's my quick-and-dirty Windows port (including the modified source code): http://www.ke5fx.com/tbolt/setup.exe (600K) Tested on XP, should be fine on Win9x/2K, no telling with Vista. As with Mark's original program, the default is COM1; you'll need to modify your Windows shortcut to run heather /x (without the quotes) for COMx. -- john, KE5FX -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com]on Behalf Of Magnus Danielson Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:31 AM To: Richard W. Solomon; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Update Richard W. Solomon skrev: I tried it on my Compaq 486 running WIN98SE I get a black screen with Logoff on it and a couple of other lines that make no sense ? Who has the Rosetta Stone ?? I do not know... British Museum maybe? I tried to recompile in my Cygwin environment but with no luck, failed to compile. It seems to be beyond me... I know nothing about Windows... I just need to run the damn thing for some apps... Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather's Window
Magnus Danielson skrev: John Miles skrev: Here's my quick-and-dirty Windows port (including the modified source code): http://www.ke5fx.com/tbolt/setup.exe (600K) Tested on XP, should be fine on Win9x/2K, no telling with Vista. As with Mark's original program, the default is COM1; you'll need to modify your Windows shortcut to run heather /x (without the quotes) for COMx. It runs fine functionally, however, the font is minimalistic and I can't read anything written. But the graphs seems to work etc. Also, I can't change the display at run-time, which would be nice. /vl does not improve the size of fonts, just the overall windown size. It is notable that it maps to the wrong font as the right and lower part of the text-area is left empty, but the everything seems to work, just below the limit to unreadable. I lack the Windows magic wand capability... Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather's Window, font size
I have found it difficult to find out from within a Windows program how big or small a particular font is rendered. Windows has a function called TextWidth (and TextHeight) that does not work correctly for all fonts. It seems to be video card driver dependant too, as the same fonts look different (and have different size) on different video cards. I wrote a small VB program that you can use to find out if windows is lying for a particular font. It's at http://www.ko4bb.com/VB_Projects/TextWidth/TextWidth.exe This programs sets the size of the colored background to what windows says the font takes. You can see some fonts work well, and some don't. I have found that most of the time, Windows returns a size greater than is actually used. That can be useful if you use these functions by letting you choose fonts that work. Didier -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Magnus Danielson Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 8:46 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather's Window Magnus Danielson skrev: John Miles skrev: Here's my quick-and-dirty Windows port (including the modified source code): http://www.ke5fx.com/tbolt/setup.exe (600K) Tested on XP, should be fine on Win9x/2K, no telling with Vista. As with Mark's original program, the default is COM1; you'll need to modify your Windows shortcut to run heather /x (without the quotes) for COMx. It runs fine functionally, however, the font is minimalistic and I can't read anything written. But the graphs seems to work etc. Also, I can't change the display at run-time, which would be nice. /vl does not improve the size of fonts, just the overall windown size. It is notable that it maps to the wrong font as the right and lower part of the text-area is left empty, but the everything seems to work, just below the limit to unreadable. I lack the Windows magic wand capability... Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Boatanchor docs: HP AC-4 counter module manual
David, David Forbes skrev: O Nuts of Time, I was recently asked to make a big PDF file of the HP AC-4 counter modules manual that I have had on my website for a few years as a series of jpeg files. So I did... http://www.nixiebunny.com/hpac4/hpac4.pdf These modules are used in the ancient HP 521 to 524 series of counters. Each module handles one digit. They have four vacuum tubes and either a nixie tube or ten neons in a thermometer arrangement. I have a 521C and a 522B counter on hand but they are a bit too slow to handle the 10 MHz of modern times, having a maximum counting frequency of 200 kilocycles per second. A pair of phantastron setups will divide it into range. Should use up about 3 tubes. Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] Lady Heather's Window
Here's my quick-and-dirty Windows port (including the modified source code): http://www.ke5fx.com/tbolt/setup.exe (600K) Tested on XP, should be fine on Win9x/2K, no telling with Vista. As with Mark's original program, the default is COM1; you'll need to modify your Windows shortcut to run heather /x (without the quotes) for COMx. -- john, KE5FX -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com]on Behalf Of Magnus Danielson Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:31 AM To: Richard W. Solomon; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Update Richard W. Solomon skrev: I tried it on my Compaq 486 running WIN98SE I get a black screen with Logoff on it and a couple of other lines that make no sense ? Who has the Rosetta Stone ?? I do not know... British Museum maybe? I tried to recompile in my Cygwin environment but with no luck, failed to compile. It seems to be beyond me... I know nothing about Windows... I just need to run the damn thing for some apps... Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather's Window, font size
Hi Didier: I've been working with my PC display adapter and it's related software. In WIN XP when I right click the desktop \ properties \ settings \advanced \ general there is an option for DPI with 96 the default, 120 the option I choose for larger text in general applications, or a custom setting. Also regarding fonts. There are fixed fonts, like courier, and True Type variable fonts that scale, like Times New Roman. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.prc68.com Didier wrote: I have found it difficult to find out from within a Windows program how big or small a particular font is rendered. Windows has a function called TextWidth (and TextHeight) that does not work correctly for all fonts. It seems to be video card driver dependant too, as the same fonts look different (and have different size) on different video cards. I wrote a small VB program that you can use to find out if windows is lying for a particular font. It's at http://www.ko4bb.com/VB_Projects/TextWidth/TextWidth.exe This programs sets the size of the colored background to what windows says the font takes. You can see some fonts work well, and some don't. I have found that most of the time, Windows returns a size greater than is actually used. That can be useful if you use these functions by letting you choose fonts that work. Didier -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Magnus Danielson Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 8:46 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather's Window Magnus Danielson skrev: John Miles skrev: Here's my quick-and-dirty Windows port (including the modified source code): http://www.ke5fx.com/tbolt/setup.exe (600K) Tested on XP, should be fine on Win9x/2K, no telling with Vista. As with Mark's original program, the default is COM1; you'll need to modify your Windows shortcut to run heather /x (without the quotes) for COMx. It runs fine functionally, however, the font is minimalistic and I can't read anything written. But the graphs seems to work etc. Also, I can't change the display at run-time, which would be nice. /vl does not improve the size of fonts, just the overall windown size. It is notable that it maps to the wrong font as the right and lower part of the text-area is left empty, but the everything seems to work, just below the limit to unreadable. I lack the Windows magic wand capability... Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather's Window
John Miles skrev: Here's my quick-and-dirty Windows port (including the modified source code): http://www.ke5fx.com/tbolt/setup.exe (600K) Tested on XP, should be fine on Win9x/2K, no telling with Vista. As with Mark's original program, the default is COM1; you'll need to modify your Windows shortcut to run heather /x (without the quotes) for COMx. It runs fine functionally, however, the font is minimalistic and I can't read anything written. But the graphs seems to work etc. Also, I can't change the display at run-time, which would be nice. Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather's Window, font size
Hi Brooke, Windows' error in the response to TextWidth is not a function of fixed versus proportional spacing, bitmap versus scalable font. I have not found a hard rule. Simpler fonts tend to be more accurately reported, but that's not universal. Experiment with my little program on different computers, you will be surprised of the differences. This came about because I tried to emulate a TTY screen and make the window exactly 80 characters wide, while offering the capability to change the size of the window. I have not been able to do what I wanted and at the end, I only selected one font which worked consistently over a few sizes, and I simply offer the user a few selections rather than let the user scale the window continuously. Didier -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Brooke Clarke Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 10:16 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather's Window, font size Hi Didier: I've been working with my PC display adapter and it's related software. In WIN XP when I right click the desktop \ properties \ settings \advanced \ general there is an option for DPI with 96 the default, 120 the option I choose for larger text in general applications, or a custom setting. Also regarding fonts. There are fixed fonts, like courier, and True Type variable fonts that scale, like Times New Roman. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.prc68.com Didier wrote: I have found it difficult to find out from within a Windows program how big or small a particular font is rendered. Windows has a function called TextWidth (and TextHeight) that does not work correctly for all fonts. It seems to be video card driver dependant too, as the same fonts look different (and have different size) on different video cards. I wrote a small VB program that you can use to find out if windows is lying for a particular font. It's at http://www.ko4bb.com/VB_Projects/TextWidth/TextWidth.exe This programs sets the size of the colored background to what windows says the font takes. You can see some fonts work well, and some don't. I have found that most of the time, Windows returns a size greater than is actually used. That can be useful if you use these functions by letting you choose fonts that work. Didier -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Magnus Danielson Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 8:46 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather's Window Magnus Danielson skrev: John Miles skrev: Here's my quick-and-dirty Windows port (including the modified source code): http://www.ke5fx.com/tbolt/setup.exe (600K) Tested on XP, should be fine on Win9x/2K, no telling with Vista. As with Mark's original program, the default is COM1; you'll need to modify your Windows shortcut to run heather /x (without the quotes) for COMx. It runs fine functionally, however, the font is minimalistic and I can't read anything written. But the graphs seems to work etc. Also, I can't change the display at run-time, which would be nice. /vl does not improve the size of fonts, just the overall windown size. It is notable that it maps to the wrong font as the right and lower part of the text-area is left empty, but the everything seems to work, just below the limit to unreadable. I lack the Windows magic wand capability... Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather's Window
Morning John, Just loaded up your build of Lady Heather on a XP Pro (SP3) machine. Runs just fine and the graphing is readable but the upper text portion is so tiny that it is un readable. Tried Brooks trick of changing the default DPI to 125 but it has no effect on the LH program. Any thoughts as to what I can do so I can read the text portions. Thanks Had K7MLR At 04:53 AM 2/1/2009, you wrote: By the way, I can't run the DOS version here at all, so let me know if anything looks significantly different. -- john, KE5FX -Original Message- From: John Miles [mailto:jmi...@pop.net] Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:50 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Lady Heather's Window Here's my quick-and-dirty Windows port (including the modified source code): http://www.ke5fx.com/tbolt/setup.exe (600K) Tested on XP, should be fine on Win9x/2K, no telling with Vista. As with Mark's original program, the default is COM1; you'll need to modify your Windows shortcut to run heather /x (without the quotes) for COMx. -- john, KE5FX ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather's Window, font size
Didier skrev: I have found it difficult to find out from within a Windows program how big or small a particular font is rendered. Windows has a function called TextWidth (and TextHeight) that does not work correctly for all fonts. It seems to be video card driver dependant too, as the same fonts look different (and have different size) on different video cards. The trouble is that the windows port of Lady Heathers choose system default which is not the system default one sets in the Display Configuration. It seems like it picks Terminal 4 point. It needs to at least choose size... but preferably also choose font. I wrote a small VB program that you can use to find out if windows is lying for a particular font. It's at http://www.ko4bb.com/VB_Projects/TextWidth/TextWidth.exe This programs sets the size of the colored background to what windows says the font takes. You can see some fonts work well, and some don't. I have found that most of the time, Windows returns a size greater than is actually used. That can be useful if you use these functions by letting you choose fonts that work. Well, it is useful as such, but it seems like the graphic on my display is not obstructed from incorrectly given size, it simply chooses the wrong size to begin with Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather's Window
I have the program running on an old Compaq 486 Laptop with a WIN98 OS. I see the data, but I cannot seem to get the graphical display. Also the Space Bar has no effect. How does one get the graph ?? 73, Dick, W1KSZ -Original Message- From: Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org Sent: Feb 1, 2009 7:00 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather's Window John Miles skrev: Here's my quick-and-dirty Windows port (including the modified source code): http://www.ke5fx.com/tbolt/setup.exe (600K) Tested on XP, should be fine on Win9x/2K, no telling with Vista. As with Mark's original program, the default is COM1; you'll need to modify your Windows shortcut to run heather /x (without the quotes) for COMx. It runs fine functionally, however, the font is minimalistic and I can't read anything written. But the graphs seems to work etc. Also, I can't change the display at run-time, which would be nice. Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather's Window
I had the same problem of the ultra small text under XP. One of you already tried to enlarge the window with /vl. I have found that the opposite of this works: /vs. So if you use heather /vs you get the big letters! Works for me, Stijn PE1RKS John Miles schreef: Here's my quick-and-dirty Windows port (including the modified source code): http://www.ke5fx.com/tbolt/setup.exe (600K) Tested on XP, should be fine on Win9x/2K, no telling with Vista. As with Mark's original program, the default is COM1; you'll need to modify your Windows shortcut to run heather /x (without the quotes) for COMx. -- john, KE5FX -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com]on Behalf Of Magnus Danielson Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:31 AM To: Richard W. Solomon; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Update Richard W. Solomon skrev: I tried it on my Compaq 486 running WIN98SE I get a black screen with Logoff on it and a couple of other lines that make no sense ? Who has the Rosetta Stone ?? I do not know... British Museum maybe? I tried to recompile in my Cygwin environment but with no luck, failed to compile. It seems to be beyond me... I know nothing about Windows... I just need to run the damn thing for some apps... Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Real radios have motors. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather's Window
Stijn, Thank you, that works for me also. 73 Had K7MLR At 10:31 AM 2/1/2009, you wrote: I had the same problem of the ultra small text under XP. One of you already tried to enlarge the window with /vl. I have found that the opposite of this works: /vs. So if you use heather /vs you get the big letters! Works for me, Stijn PE1RKS ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather's Window
Stijn, S. Nestra skrev: I had the same problem of the ultra small text under XP. One of you already tried to enlarge the window with /vl. I have found that the opposite of this works: /vs. So if you use heather /vs you get the big letters! Works for me, YES!!! It works for me too! I get a larger window too! Obviously there is something wrong with that part of the code, maybe Windows just scales the window size down to fit the screen. Great... now it is useful to me! :D Cheers, Magnus Stijn PE1RKS John Miles schreef: Here's my quick-and-dirty Windows port (including the modified source code): http://www.ke5fx.com/tbolt/setup.exe (600K) Tested on XP, should be fine on Win9x/2K, no telling with Vista. As with Mark's original program, the default is COM1; you'll need to modify your Windows shortcut to run heather /x (without the quotes) for COMx. -- john, KE5FX -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com]on Behalf Of Magnus Danielson Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:31 AM To: Richard W. Solomon; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Update Richard W. Solomon skrev: I tried it on my Compaq 486 running WIN98SE I get a black screen with Logoff on it and a couple of other lines that make no sense ? Who has the Rosetta Stone ?? I do not know... British Museum maybe? I tried to recompile in my Cygwin environment but with no luck, failed to compile. It seems to be beyond me... I know nothing about Windows... I just need to run the damn thing for some apps... Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] Some pics of the Datron 491x DC reference cell
I've uploaded some photos of the Datron 10 volt cell and reference board, as requested by a few members. I've kept them full-resolution so you can see fine detail. But, that means they are about 3 mb each. The schematics for the cell board I previously posted are also still on the FTP site. DatronCell.jpg is an image of the entire cell board. The reference board is piggybacked on it. Note the thermal shield around the LTZ1000, and the completely shielded sections on the board. Those contain the digital circuitry. The cell board itself goes into a shielded enclosure along with the other three cells and the output buffer amp. DatronLTZCloseup.jpg is exactly that, a closeup of the LTZ with thermal shield removed. The interesting detail here is the mounting. Note the cutouts on the board to provide thermal isolation. This board is also very thin; I didn't measure it, but it's on the order of 0.5 - 1 mm thick. DatronRefCloseup.jpg is a closeup image of the rest of the reference board. The ref board is permanently soldered in place on the cell board, so I can't show the back of it. The ftp login is: ftp ftp.quackers.net login: f...@quackers.net password: (none required) Or, directly from a browser. I know this works for Firefox, I haven't tried it with anything else: ftp://f...@quackers.net:f...@ftp.quackers.net/ Some of you are also waiting for the schematic for the LTZ board itself; I'm recreating it now (since I lost it) and will post when ready. -- Bill Ezell -- They said 'Windows or better' so I used Linux. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] Some pics of the Datron 491x DC reference cell
I tried to access the photos... got to an empty pub directory... Cutouts in a circuit board around a reference chip are usually more to relieve mechanical stress from the chip package caused by the PC board expanding/contracting/warping. This stress can affect the refereence voltage more than you might expect. Malone does this on his little Xicor X6008C voltage reference boards. (BTW that chip has been discontinued). That is why I prefer his boards over the other one that is available on Ebay that does not cut out around the ref chip. If you can live with that, you can get a packaged 5V / 0.01% reference for $14.50 shipped... see Ebay item 250366551770... the guy that builds them is closing them out... and he ships worldwide. _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_012009 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] Lady Heather Question
Having failed to get the program working properly on an old 486 Laptop, I installed it on a more modern machine running XP. When I try to open the program I get an error message about Com Port Not Available ?? How does one select the COM Port ? Thanks, Dick, W1KSZ ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Some pics of the Datron 491x DC reference cell
Mark Sims wrote: I tried to access the photos... got to an empty pub directory... Cutouts in a circuit board around a reference chip are usually more to relieve mechanical stress from the chip package caused by the PC board expanding/contracting/warping. This stress can affect the refereence voltage more than you might expect. Malone does this on his little Xicor X6008C voltage reference boards. (BTW that chip has been discontinued). That is why I prefer his boards over the other one that is available on Ebay that does not cut out around the ref chip. If you can live with that, you can get a packaged 5V / 0.01% reference for $14.50 shipped... see Ebay item 250366551770... the guy that builds them is closing them out... and he ships worldwide. _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_012009 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. Second method works fine (Linux machine) with Opera, Firefox, Epithany, Seamonkey however only Epithany and Opera save the jpeg files correctly. Bruce ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Some pics of the Datron 491x DC reference cell
Bill, thank you very much for the schematics and the photographs! Using XP / firefox, I was able to retrieve the files with the given special link, and also very easily with the FileZilla Client. The most interesting part, i.e. the precision resistor circuitry, obviously resides on the bottom side of the ref board. Would be great to get a photo also from that side, as Datron made some efforts to get rid of strain and heat conduction effects. Best regards - Frank Stellmach ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Some pics of the Datron 491x DC reference cell
Dr. Frank Stellmach wrote: Bill, thank you very much for the schematics and the photographs! Using XP / firefox, I was able to retrieve the files with the given special link, and also very easily with the FileZilla Client. The most interesting part, i.e. the precision resistor circuitry, obviously resides on the bottom side of the ref board. Would be great to get a photo also from that side, as Datron made some efforts to get rid of strain and heat conduction effects. Best regards - Frank Stellmach Frank The precision resistors are more likely to be inside the metal can labeled vishay. Bruce ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Question
Richard W. Solomon skrev: Having failed to get the program working properly on an old 486 Laptop, I installed it on a more modern machine running XP. When I try to open the program I get an error message about Com Port Not Available ?? How does one select the COM Port ? /2 should get it to run on COM2... however... due to my previous experience check your Hardware Driver settings and FORCE your com-port to COM1. That worked for me... but maybe the new Windows-port works better. Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Some pics of the Datron 491x DC reference cell
Bruce, good hint, I think you are right.. Then it's a custom specific R array, metal foil technolgy (S105 or similar) from Vishay, perhaps oil filled. Makes it very difficult to read the circuitry and design a replacement with discrete resistors. Frank ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Some pics of the Datron 491x DC reference cell
Dr. Frank Stellmach wrote: Bruce, good hint, I think you are right.. Then it's a custom specific R array, metal foil technolgy (S105 or similar) from Vishay, perhaps oil filled. Makes it very difficult to read the circuitry and design a replacement with discrete resistors. Frank Frank The core circuit probably doesn't differ too much from the positive reference circuit shown on the LTZ1000 datasheet. It certainly wont be identical to the negative reference shown on that datasheet which has the heater pins reversed (as shown it will cause a large current to flow in the parasitic shunt diode connected across the heater resistor). NB use the latest datasheet which has a corrected schematic showing the location and polarity of the parasitic diodes. Bruce ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Some pics of the Datron 491x DC reference cell
NB use the latest datasheet which has a corrected schematic showing the location and polarity of the parasitic diodes. Bruce Thank you, I already got that... When I used the first datasheet, I reversed the heater as there was no hint, just to discover those hidden parasitic diodes. I obviously did not damage the device (hope so), but sent that info to LT, and then they did the correction. Frank ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Some pics of the Datron 491x DC reference cell
Dr. Frank Stellmach wrote: NB use the latest datasheet which has a corrected schematic showing the location and polarity of the parasitic diodes. Bruce Thank you, I already got that... When I used the first datasheet, I reversed the heater as there was no hint, just to discover those hidden parasitic diodes. I obviously did not damage the device (hope so), but sent that info to LT, and then they did the correction. Frank Frank Yes but they didn't correct the negative reference circuit. I notified them about that - maybe that will be corrected in the next revision. I've located my Vishay brochure on resistor networks from the 70's. The TO-5 can resistor networks used 50 mil x 50 mil (50mW) and or 150 mil x 50 mil (100mW) resistor chips wire bonded to the header pins. Either 8 pin(2 different pin circle diameter options) or 10 pin variants were available. Other than the resistor chip specifications (TCR, pwer dissipation, etc) there's not much else. Bruce ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather's Window
Ah, I should have mentioned that. You need to run it on a desktop that's at least one 'standard size' larger than the window, or my graphics library will halve the size of the window, which renders the text unreadable. The text is still pretty cramped when running normally, but it's not a standard Windows font -- it's a hardwired 8x8 raster font that's part of an ancient platform-independent graphics library I wrote back when the Win95 Chicago beta came out. So unfortunately there are no real options for improvement there without rewriting a bunch of code to use actual Windows fonts. One thing that would help is running it in fullscreen mode, which I forgot to enable. Grab the newest build at http://www.ke5fx.com/tbolt/setup.exe and add an -f option to your Windows shortcut if you want it to start in fullscreen mode (or just use alt-Enter or the maximize button to toggle fullscreen mode after running.) Especially if you use it with /vs, the font will appear much larger than it does in a window. -- john, KE5FX -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com]on Behalf Of Magnus Danielson Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 11:03 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather's Window Stijn, S. Nestra skrev: I had the same problem of the ultra small text under XP. One of you already tried to enlarge the window with /vl. I have found that the opposite of this works: /vs. So if you use heather /vs you get the big letters! Works for me, YES!!! It works for me too! I get a larger window too! Obviously there is something wrong with that part of the code, maybe Windows just scales the window size down to fit the screen. Great... now it is useful to me! :D Cheers, Magnus Stijn PE1RKS John Miles schreef: Here's my quick-and-dirty Windows port (including the modified source code): http://www.ke5fx.com/tbolt/setup.exe (600K) Tested on XP, should be fine on Win9x/2K, no telling with Vista. As with Mark's original program, the default is COM1; you'll need to modify your Windows shortcut to run heather /x (without the quotes) for COMx. -- john, KE5FX -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com]on Behalf Of Magnus Danielson Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:31 AM To: Richard W. Solomon; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Update Richard W. Solomon skrev: I tried it on my Compaq 486 running WIN98SE I get a black screen with Logoff on it and a couple of other lines that make no sense ? Who has the Rosetta Stone ?? I do not know... British Museum maybe? I tried to recompile in my Cygwin environment but with no luck, failed to compile. It seems to be beyond me... I know nothing about Windows... I just need to run the damn thing for some apps... Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Question
The DOS version had a bug that caused it to ignore the /2 altogether (it hardwired the COM port back to 1 after parsing the command-line arts). That's fixed in the Windows build. Mark: the Windows source code should still be able to compile for DOS at your end, if you change the #define back. If you'll switch to my copy (and switch to .cpp compilation) it would be easy to keep them in sync. -- john, KE5FX -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com]on Behalf Of Magnus Danielson Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 2:31 PM To: Richard W. Solomon; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Question Richard W. Solomon skrev: Having failed to get the program working properly on an old 486 Laptop, I installed it on a more modern machine running XP. When I try to open the program I get an error message about Com Port Not Available ?? How does one select the COM Port ? /2 should get it to run on COM2... however... due to my previous experience check your Hardware Driver settings and FORCE your com-port to COM1. That worked for me... but maybe the new Windows-port works better. Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Question
John Miles skrev: The DOS version had a bug that caused it to ignore the /2 altogether (it hardwired the COM port back to 1 after parsing the command-line arts). That's fixed in the Windows build. Do you use Windows serial line routines or maintain Marks more direct access? For a Windows port the OS serial line routines should be the right thing. We should avoid having to force the configuration like I had to do initially. Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Question
I use the normal Win32 device-communications API (via CreateFile/ReadFile). Same serial-interface module that I wrote to talk to Prologix GPIB-USB dongles.It should support any COM port number you give it. The graph ends up looking a lot neater with 10-second updates than with 1-second updates -- I wonder if that should be the default. The PPS and ref traces in particular seem to break up a lot at 1-second timescales. -- john, KE5FX -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com]on Behalf Of Magnus Danielson Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:18 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Question John Miles skrev: The DOS version had a bug that caused it to ignore the /2 altogether (it hardwired the COM port back to 1 after parsing the command-line args). That's fixed in the Windows build. Do you use Windows serial line routines or maintain Marks more direct access? For a Windows port the OS serial line routines should be the right thing. We should avoid having to force the configuration like I had to do initially. Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather's Window
John Miles skrev: Ah, I should have mentioned that. You need to run it on a desktop that's at least one 'standard size' larger than the window, or my graphics library will halve the size of the window, which renders the text unreadable. I think a more flexible fashion of setting size would be a good thing. The preferred fasion is always being able to do standard resize by dragging the edge, but saying x*y size at command line kind of works. The text is still pretty cramped when running normally, but it's not a standard Windows font -- it's a hardwired 8x8 raster font that's part of an ancient platform-independent graphics library I wrote back when the Win95 Chicago beta came out. So unfortunately there are no real options for improvement there without rewriting a bunch of code to use actual Windows fonts. Avoiding the shrinking should be the main thing to do then, in this case it hurts more than it helps. Oh... The oscillator ADEV positions at 2000 s and 5000 s is displaced over the 500s and 1000s respectively, 2 digits too much to the left and halfway up on the mentioned values, seems like 16 left and 16 up if the font is 8 x 8 as you say. One thing that would help is running it in fullscreen mode, which I forgot to enable. Grab the newest build at http://www.ke5fx.com/tbolt/setup.exe and add an -f option to your Windows shortcut if you want it to start in fullscreen mode (or just use alt-Enter or the maximize button to toggle fullscreen mode after running.) Especially if you use it with /vs, the font will appear much larger than it does in a window. Fullscreen works. Usefull. Dropping shrinking and making size more flexible would be beneficial. I haven't checked if the fullscreen version has the position bug mentioned above... I will see in the morning. Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather's Window
I think a more flexible fashion of setting size would be a good thing. The preferred fasion is always being able to do standard resize by dragging the edge, but saying x*y size at command line kind of works. Yep, the code could support arbitrary x*y sizes, but he has several groups of related parameters that are tied to the discrete size options -- and also, I can only go into fullscreen mode in standard VGA/EVGA resolutions. So I probably won't put a lot of work into that. Left as an exercise to the reader, as it were. If I hack Mark's code too extensively, it'll be hard to catch back up when he posts new updates. Avoiding the shrinking should be the main thing to do then, in this case it hurts more than it helps. Yes, that's true in all cases, really. It just confuses people. When I first wrote this code, there were some severe performance penalties associated with odd scale factors on many systems, so halving the window size in the event where the desktop area wasn't big enough to accommodate its client area seemed like a good idea. I also didn't want users running with a downsampled window without intending to, since that's like running an LCD at a resolution other than its native one, only worse. The half-size window is a pretty good clue that things are configured suboptimally. I'll probably just fix the problem with a readme file, since there aren't any easy hacks that work well in all cases where the desktop resolution is too small for the window. Forcing fullscreen mode in those cases would also be an option. Oh... The oscillator ADEV positions at 2000 s and 5000 s is displaced over the 500s and 1000s respectively, 2 digits too much to the left and halfway up on the mentioned values, seems like 16 left and 16 up if the font is 8 x 8 as you say. Not sure I follow you there; is this happening in a specific resolution? The table seems to look OK in the default res (attached) - is this similar to what you're seeing? -- john, KE5FX attachment: scrn.gif___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather's Window
John Miles skrev: I think a more flexible fashion of setting size would be a good thing. The preferred fasion is always being able to do standard resize by dragging the edge, but saying x*y size at command line kind of works. Yep, the code could support arbitrary x*y sizes, but he has several groups of related parameters that are tied to the discrete size options -- and also, I can only go into fullscreen mode in standard VGA/EVGA resolutions. So I probably won't put a lot of work into that. Left as an exercise to the reader, as it were. If I hack Mark's code too extensively, it'll be hard to catch back up when he posts new updates. Maybe just detect the cases and selects among them. Avoiding the shrinking should be the main thing to do then, in this case it hurts more than it helps. Yes, that's true in all cases, really. It just confuses people. When I first wrote this code, there were some severe performance penalties associated with odd scale factors on many systems, so halving the window size in the event where the desktop area wasn't big enough to accommodate its client area seemed like a good idea. I can see that. I also didn't want users running with a downsampled window without intending to, since that's like running an LCD at a resolution other than its native one, only worse. The half-size window is a pretty good clue that things are configured suboptimally. Well... yes. I'll probably just fix the problem with a readme file, since there aren't any easy hacks that work well in all cases where the desktop resolution is too small for the window. Forcing fullscreen mode in those cases would also be an option. I think it would be more usefull. Oh... The oscillator ADEV positions at 2000 s and 5000 s is displaced over the 500s and 1000s respectively, 2 digits too much to the left and halfway up on the mentioned values, seems like 16 left and 16 up if the font is 8 x 8 as you say. Not sure I follow you there; is this happening in a specific resolution? The table seems to look OK in the default res (attached) - is this similar to what you're seeing? No, I was using the /vs as needed for the smallest resolution in order to avoid shrinking. Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Bill Ezell's ftp
Mark (and Bill), I had to use my FTP client (Transmit) to get to anything. Using the browser did not work -- took me to an empty folder named pub. Everything is there when I connect using Transmit on my iMac. Thanks Bill, for all the work! Greatly appreciated. Dick Moore On Feb 1, 2009, at 1:39 PM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: Message: 7 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 14:07:32 -0500 From: wje w...@quackers.net Subject: [time-nuts] Some pics of the Datron 491x DC reference cell To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Message-ID: 4985f2f4.8070...@quackers.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I've uploaded some photos of the Datron 10 volt cell and reference board, as requested by a few members. I've kept them full-resolution so you can see fine detail. But, that means they are about 3 mb each. The schematics for the cell board I previously posted are also still on the FTP site. DatronCell.jpg is an image of the entire cell board. The reference board is piggybacked on it. Note the thermal shield around the LTZ1000, and the completely shielded sections on the board. Those contain the digital circuitry. The cell board itself goes into a shielded enclosure along with the other three cells and the output buffer amp. DatronLTZCloseup.jpg is exactly that, a closeup of the LTZ with thermal shield removed. The interesting detail here is the mounting. Note the cutouts on the board to provide thermal isolation. This board is also very thin; I didn't measure it, but it's on the order of 0.5 - 1 mm thick. DatronRefCloseup.jpg is a closeup image of the rest of the reference board. The ref board is permanently soldered in place on the cell board, so I can't show the back of it. The ftp login is: ftp ftp.quackers.net login: f...@quackers.net password: (none required) Or, directly from a browser. I know this works for Firefox, I haven't tried it with anything else: ftp://f...@quackers.net:f...@ftp.quackers.net/ Some of you are also waiting for the schematic for the LTZ board itself; I'm recreating it now (since I lost it) and will post when ready. -- Bill Ezell -- They said 'Windows or better' so I used Linux. -- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 21:29:55 + From: Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com Subject: [time-nuts] Some pics of the Datron 491x DC reference cell To: time-nuts@febo.com Message-ID: blu125-w513d56e2da2c8d92fec4a9ce...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 I tried to access the photos... got to an empty pub directory... Cutouts in a circuit board around a reference chip are usually more to relieve mechanical stress from the chip package caused by the PC board expanding/contracting/warping. This stress can affect the refereence voltage more than you might expect. Malone does this on his little Xicor X6008C voltage reference boards. (BTW that chip has been discontinued). That is why I prefer his boards over the other one that is available on Ebay that does not cut out around the ref chip. If you can live with that, you can get a packaged 5V / 0.01% reference for $14.50 shipped... see Ebay item 250366551770... the guy that builds them is closing them out... and he ships worldwide. _ Windows Live? Hotmail??more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks? ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_012009 -- Message: 9 Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:39:47 -0500 (EST) From: Richard W. Solomon w1...@earthlink.net Subject: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Question To: time-nuts@febo.com Message-ID: 29501338.1233524387396.javamail.r...@mswamui- chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Having failed to get the program working properly on an old 486 Laptop, I installed it on a more modern machine running XP. When I try to open the program I get an error message about Com Port Not Available ?? How does one select the COM Port ? Thanks, Dick, W1KSZ -- ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts End of time-nuts Digest, Vol 55, Issue 4 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
