Re: [time-nuts] HP 5335A and HP-IB (GP-IB)
In message <20108215412.679...@orchid7-pc>, Joe Geller writes: >I think that advocates are reading more into Bilski than is actually there. Well, so are corporate patent laywers then: There is near panic in several of the big patent pools, because they also read Bilski along the lines I laid out. The Bilski ruling is indeed narrow, but there are more junk patents in that a narrow corridor than you probably imagine. One unofficial estimate, from an insider, is that IBM alone lost "at least 1000, possibly 2000 patents to Bilski". The only reason you have not heard the full roar on this, is that lawyers treasure their vacation. Poul-Henning -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] HP 5335A and HP-IB (GP-IB)
Without making any judgments about whether there should be business method or software patents, I think that advocates are reading more into Bilski than is actually there. The link to the opinion was posted earlier, the opinion is relatively short and generally readable by non-attorneys. Remember that comments in concurring opinions and dissenting opinions are informative, but not law. It is probably better to begin by reading the actual opinion, and only then to look to the comments and analysis on web. The most significant section is the "Opinion of the Supreme Court" written by Justice Kennedy which starts at page 5 and ends on page 20, a relatively quick read. Bilski was addressing the question of a business method at the level of "patent eligibility". Patent eligibility is a first question at the "door step" of the patent process, before an Examiner begins to consider whether the claims of a patent application are novel or non-obvious. The Supreme court rejected the business method claims in Bilski as not patentable since the claims are in the opinion of the court, directed towards an abstract idea. An abstract idea was not patentable under U.S. Patent law before Bilski, this is not new law. The Supreme Court went on to say that Bilski is to be taken as a "narrow" decision and that they were not addressing any question of what constitutes a patentable process,. "Today, the Court once again declines to impose limitations on the Patent Act that are inconsistent with the Acts text." A business patent is different than a software patent. The Supreme court did not make any holding on software patents, nor did they state any new law regarding the patentability (the patent eligible question) of a business method patent. One very interesting aspect of the decision is that the "machine or transformation" test is no longer the only test for evaluating if these classes of patents are patent eligible (this is new). It is unclear if this aspect of the opinion makes the patent eligible field wider (some think yes) or narrower. The terms "Business Method" and "abstract idea" are not well defined. The extent of the "machine or transformation test" (still valid, just no longer an exclusive test) is also not well defined. Regarding the current state of U.S. Patent law, just below the precedential weight of the Supreme court is the CAFC, the Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit. The PTO generally follows holdings of the CAFC unless overturned by the Supreme Court or new laws of Congress. For now, there are no changes regarding software patents (perhaps influenced though by what evolves regarding the "machine or transformation test"). The Supreme Court specifically stated that they were not offering a new test: "In disapproving an exclusive machine-or-transformation test, we by no means foreclose the Federal Circuits development of other limiting criteria that further the purposes of the Patent Act and are not inconsistent with its text". Probably more guidance will come from future CAFC cases. Actions by the PTO Appeals board, while possibly indicative of some new law to come, usually many years later, in and of themselves are very case specific decisions and highly unlikely to change the current patent law. Also, I do not believe there is currently any simple or distinct test as to what software patents are "patent eligible". Generally some coupling to a machine or apparatus is more likely be taken as patent eligible, however that is not a legal test. Also, more likely to survive is an algorithm that performs some action, such as steering a ship, for example, but again there is no distinct yes or no test. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] 74AC175PC
Thanks Rex - As an old time ham and engineer, the only code I know is Fortran and Basic. When I used to design digital stuff for a living, everything was hard wired, no code. For FFTs, IIR and FIR digital filters the coefficients were also hard wired. Heck, my first digital filter design used serial arithmetic, with shift registers to implement the z^1. I was able to figure out what H(s) we needed and convert it to an H(z) for a specific filter configuration, but other than for the simulations, the implementation was hard wired. This was in the early 70's. The neatest part was to see the implementation exactly match the simulation. Then I went into RF for a living and am totally naïve about all this source code stuff for PICs and otherwise. So, sounds like this is something I should also invest in. If the provider is reading this, please let me know what to do to order the kit. Thanks & Regards - Mike Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Rex Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 12:46 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 74AC175PC On 8/2/2010 8:58 AM, Mike Feher wrote: > Stanley - > > I know this has been a long thread, but, either I missed the beginning or > forgot. What is it that the board you are selling actually does? Thanks - > Mike > > Mike B. Feher, N4FS > 89 Arnold Blvd. > Howell, NJ, 07731 > 732-886-5960 > http://www.ko4bb.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=precision_timing:pictic ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Z38xx and z3805
On 8/2/2010 11:45 AM, Bob Camp wrote: > Hi > > The boxes all seem to go into survey, complete it and then happily lock up. > One seems to have a broken "lock" LED, but z38xx shows it running fine. > > If I understand you correctly, there is no real "write to eeprom" command. > It's just a matter of turning off the survey at boot function. > > I'll have to poke at the beasts tonight and see what they says about their > current survey settings. > > Thanks! > > Bob Given the original application of these devices I suspect the plan was that the base station they were installed in would feed them position as part of the boot process. -- mailto:o...@ozindfw.net Oz POB 93167 Southlake, TX 76092 (Near DFW Airport) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] 74AC175PC
On 8/2/2010 8:58 AM, Mike Feher wrote: Stanley - I know this has been a long thread, but, either I missed the beginning or forgot. What is it that the board you are selling actually does? Thanks - Mike Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 http://www.ko4bb.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=precision_timing:pictic ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Z38xx and z3805
Hi The boxes all seem to go into survey, complete it and then happily lock up. One seems to have a broken "lock" LED, but z38xx shows it running fine. If I understand you correctly, there is no real "write to eeprom" command. It's just a matter of turning off the survey at boot function. I'll have to poke at the beasts tonight and see what they says about their current survey settings. Thanks! Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of mike cook Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 1:48 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Z38xx and z3805 Hi Bob, I have a Z3801A and I am not sure whether the SCIP commands are the same as for the Z3805A. There must be some differences related to the channel numbers and serial post configuration at least I would expect. I think the following apply. You need to not only be able to provide a position, as was suggested, or from a survey, but to also prevent site survey from starting up at power on. Survey at start is default, at least on the Z3801A, and from what you say, I suspect your box does the same. If a position is specified, or the survey completes OK, the unit should go to position hold mode automatically. To check. :GPS:POSition:HOLD:STATe? To specify what startup mode you want :GPS:POSition:SURVey:STATe:POWerup ON or OFFON forces a survey. to check :GPS:POSition:SURVey:STATe:POWerup? If it is turned off the receiver will use the last valid position it has. This might be the default , (Korea) if the eprom is shot. hope that helps, Mike Le 02/08/2010 00:42, Bob Camp a écrit : > GPS:POS N,DD,MM,SS,W,DD,MM,SS,ALT > > > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP 5335A and HP-IB (GP-IB)
On 8/2/2010 1:55 AM, David C. Partridge wrote: At long last, an outbreak of sanity in an insane world. Regards, David Partridge I agree. For some reason I had the impression that the ruling had gone more the other way. -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Poul-Henning Kamp Sent: 02 August 2010 09:40 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP 5335A and HP-IB (GP-IB) Pretty fast after the Bilski ruling, the patent appeals board took a HP software patent which was in front of them on "prior arts" grounds, turned it around send it back down with "according to SCOTUS this stuff cannot be patented in the first place". (http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/proudler.pdf) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] 74AC175PC
Stanley - I know this has been a long thread, but, either I missed the beginning or forgot. What is it that the board you are selling actually does? Thanks - Mike Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] 74AC175PC
Yes, I can but it will be toward the end of the week before I can ship them as they are in a different location. I'm still shipping boards as they are with me. If anyone wants the chips please email me off list or paypal me at stanley_reyno...@yahoo.com . I also have all the other parts but will keep shipping boards as my first priority. I have some 10Mhz 20PPM osc and a 80Mhz 100PPM osc. The 80Mhz I think they would be good for calibration of interlopers but not measuring. I can program the Pic chips and test them in my board. Do not expect parts orders to be filled fast till I see what demand is like. I would like to remind everyone that this design was a free gift to time nuts by Richard McCorkle. My only connection is to provide the boards at low cost, some emails to me indicate some confusion that I'm more connected than I am. Others on the list have provided help with the boards and advice to me on my projects so I will try to help all complete this project. Stanley From: Heathkid To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Mon, August 2, 2010 1:03:19 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 74AC175PC Stanley, Would you be willing to do another "group buy"? I'll send you enough $ for 10 of them via PayPal before you buy and I know others are already willing to buy more. I just can't logistically do a group buy myself right now but would be willing to help pay for your time and efforts. I know what they are in quantities of 50. I'll pay $2 each. That should make it worth while... with fees, etc... I'll send you $25 for 10 of them. Will you do this? 73 Brice KA8MAV - Original Message - From: "Stanley Reynolds" To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 74AC175PC I have had good luck with Quest they are showing stock. www.questcomp.com They do have a $25 min. Stanley - Original Message From: Bob Camp To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Sun, August 1, 2010 4:20:44 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 74AC175PC Hi At least at this point the surplus dealer has been checked out by others buying the parts from him. You might find there's enough interest to make another buy worthwhile. Bob On Aug 1, 2010, at 4:59 PM, Heathkid wrote: > Hello. Does anyone have any of these left? I've checked with a couple of the > guys that did a group buy but they are out of them. I'd prefer not to do SMT > and don't really want to buy 50+ from an unknown surplus seller. > > I need six (6) - or at least one or whatever someone has to get me started. > > Thanks! > > 73 Brice KA8MAV > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] 74AC175PC
I would do the same .. -pete On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Heathkid wrote: > Stanley, > > Would you be willing to do another "group buy"? I'll send you enough $ for > 10 of them via PayPal before you buy and I know others are already willing > to buy more. I just can't logistically do a group buy myself right now but > would be willing to help pay for your time and efforts. I know what they > are in quantities of 50. I'll pay $2 each. That should make it worth > while... with fees, etc... I'll send you $25 for 10 of them. > > Will you do this? > > 73 Brice KA8MAV > > > - Original Message - From: "Stanley Reynolds" > > To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" > > Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 8:13 PM > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 74AC175PC > > > I have had good luck with Quest they are showing stock. > www.questcomp.com > > They do have a $25 min. > > Stanley > > > > - Original Message > From: Bob Camp > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > > Sent: Sun, August 1, 2010 4:20:44 PM > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 74AC175PC > > Hi > > At least at this point the surplus dealer has been checked out by others > buying > the parts from him. > > > You might find there's enough interest to make another buy worthwhile. > > Bob > > > On Aug 1, 2010, at 4:59 PM, Heathkid wrote: > >> Hello. Does anyone have any of these left? I've checked with a couple of >> the >> guys that did a group buy but they are out of them. I'd prefer not to do >> SMT >> and don't really want to buy 50+ from an unknown surplus seller. >> >> I need six (6) - or at least one or whatever someone has to get me >> started. >> >> Thanks! >> >> 73 Brice KA8MAV >> >> ___ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Basic question regarding comparing two frequencies
Thats great 2 months more then I would have thought On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Chuck Harris wrote: > The November deadline on the shared stations that hold positions > in both the US and Canadian Loran chains is to allow operation to > continue in Canada until they close their system... in November. > > -Chuck Harris > > > paul swed wrote: > >> Oh indeed I agree John. >> LORAN has spoiled me also at least till nov I hear. >> The Canadians are a drop better then us at saving the system. >> I am definitely figuring out the old ways and can't say that I like it all >> that much. >> Always have gps for the moment. >> >> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 10:08 AM, J. Forster wrote: >> >> Partly. >>> >>> There are hourly jogs in the WWVB signal and also diurnal shifts of the >>> order of a cycle at 60 KHz. >>> >>> The Fluke receivers havs a counter for microseconds, but it's difficult >>> to >>> intrerpret w/o the stripchart too. >>> >>> Frankly, 60 KHz is a PITA IMO. Oh for LORAN! >>> >>> -John >>> >> > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP 5335A and HP-IB (GP-IB)
Here is an interesting video on the fashion industry that relates to software patents: http://www.markblevis.com/tag/ted/ For those that are not aware, the fashion industry cannot patent fashions, only names and swooshes. So somehow they survive in a world without patent or copyright protections, and thrive. -Chuck Harris ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP 5335A and HP-IB (GP-IB)
When I read your note, I was sure that you had to be joking but you are not generally a joking person when it comes to technical stuff. So I read the patent, and I was sure that it must be April Fools Day... Nope, it's August Well, some kind of fools are involved here... Basically what this patent is saying is that if you give the controller the address of the function that called it, and tell the controller to call back the function when it is ready, and your controller is GPIB, you owe NI royalties. You have got to be joking! Time to go and put in some more words in favor of Bilsky. -Chuck Harris John Miles wrote: You can't copyright an instruction set. Any patent protection NI may have had would have expired long ago. Any sane person would think so. There is nothing preventing anyone that is willing to go to the development effort from making a NI clone, and several companies existed doing just that. http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5974541/description.html Here, the USPTO has seen fit to grant National Instruments ownership of the general concept of a C callback function, when it happens to be used in a GPIB interface layer. If you're in the GPIB hardware business, you cannot release an API for your hardware that supports the ibnotify() function without licensing this patent. Needless to say, LabVIEW requires ibnotify(). ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] 5350A versus 53131A
Bonjour Loïc, I am very happy with the 53131 and 53132 that I have (the latter have 150ps resolution, as opposed to the 500ps resolution of the '131). As well as a GPIB port, they also have a simple D9 serial port, and can very easily be configured to output each reading down the serial port, for easy viewing using something like Hyperterm (in Windows), and subsequent capture to file for later analysis. Expect to pay up to €1000 for these. They do, however, have a small fan that runs all the time. This can be slightly irritating in a quiet home environment, but is lost in the noise of the air-conditioning at work :-) Regards, Peter (London, England) On 2 August 2010 13:42, Loïc MOREAU wrote: > In order to compare different frequency sources i am in the process to > acquire old Agilent gear, i am looking to different directions 5350A > counter or more modern 53131A the prices are nearly equals and I prefer more > recent equipment so I somebody can give me an advice to look further on 5350A > it will be appreciated. > > The 225 Mhz frequency limit of the 53131 is not a problem as some equipment > are equipped with a 3 Ghz option and it will be possible to construct/buy a > prescaler. > > regards > Loïc ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] 5350A versus 53131A
In order to compare different frequency sources i am in the process to acquire old Agilent gear, i am looking to different directions 5350A counter or more modern 53131A the prices are nearly equals and I prefer more recent equipment so I somebody can give me an advice to look further on 5350A it will be appreciated. The 225 Mhz frequency limit of the 53131 is not a problem as some equipment are equipped with a 3 Ghz option and it will be possible to construct/buy a prescaler. regards Loïc http://www.eai.fr ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Prologix GPIB controllers
> ...I'm on the right path (I think) with measuring "time" but > it seems to lead to insanity. Is this correct? > > 73 Brice KA8MAV You've bought a lab-coat to wear around the house, and you're asking that? I think you're already there. Welcome to the mad house :-)) Peter ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Prologix GPIB controllers
"... I'm on the right path (I think) with measuring "time" but it seems to lead to insanity. Is this correct? 73 Brice KA8MAV" Yes. Joe ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP 5335A and HP-IB (GP-IB)
At long last, an outbreak of sanity in an insane world. Regards, David Partridge -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Poul-Henning Kamp Sent: 02 August 2010 09:40 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP 5335A and HP-IB (GP-IB) Pretty fast after the Bilski ruling, the patent appeals board took a HP software patent which was in front of them on "prior arts" grounds, turned it around send it back down with "according to SCOTUS this stuff cannot be patented in the first place". (http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/proudler.pdf) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP 5335A and HP-IB (GP-IB)
In message <4c567f19.2080...@sonic.net>, Rex writes: > On 8/1/2010 11:08 PM, John Miles wrote: >Sorry, John, I am not aware of '/Bilski v. Kappos' /decision. Care to >share a few words or a concise link on what it is about? The very brief summary is that the Supreme court ruled that you cannot patent "a way of hedging energy purchase" or other "purely abstract" inventions. In the ruling, which is well worth the read, the judges, together and individually, are very sceptical of patents which do not cover tangible stuff, and in particular affirms the day-1 patent-law principle that "purely abstract" things, like mathematics cannot be patented. (http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-964.pdf) The ruling does not directly address software patents, but it does raise the barrier considerably with the "purely abstract" part and several of the separate opinions seem to let it shine though that they would love to get a pure software patent in front of them, so they can rule against it. This also shone through during the arguments on Bilski. Needless to say, this is not going to sit quietly with IBM, Microsoft, Oracle/Sun and so on, which have invested huge sums in their patent portefolios. Pretty fast after the Bilski ruling, the patent appeals board took a HP software patent which was in front of them on "prior arts" grounds, turned it around send it back down with "according to SCOTUS this stuff cannot be patented in the first place". (http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/proudler.pdf) They probably figured that software patents would end up in front of the supremes no matter what, so they might as well speed the process up, by kicking a big company over a patent that was as far along in the process as possible, to make it happen sooner. As long as the patent appeals boards ruling stands, all pure software patents are void. A good rule of thumb for "pure software patent" is: "If can it run on any normal computer, like a PC, without special hardware, it cannot be patented". Poul-Henning PS: Not only am I not a lawyer, I am not even an USAnian :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP 5335A and HP-IB (GP-IB)
On 8/1/2010 11:08 PM, John Miles wrote: If you live in the US, you might consider writing to your legislators to try to educate them on the economic effects of software patents. You can also contribute your thoughts on post-'Bilski' patentability to the USPTO here: http://www.uspto.gov/news/pr/2010/10_35.jsp . -- john, KE5FX Sorry, John, I am not aware of '/Bilski v. Kappos' /decision. Care to share a few words or a concise link on what it is about? The Supreme Court seems, lately, to be doing as much to destroy America as the Banksters. / / ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
