Re: [time-nuts] Remove Pictic boards from envelopes
I have not been involved in this project but have had pcbs from eastern sources supplied to RoHS. Some have come in with bare copper pads. I wonder if the reason for this may be that their standard process was not tinning, but it was a a solder-flow stage, and they still have lead-tin solder baths. So they avoid the one proces involving lead to produce an RoHS produce. Other manufactures happily produce compliant tinned pcbs. I found the use of a flux pen was adequate to ensure even lead-free manual soldering even after the board had been in store for several months. Could there maybe be a thin flux coating over the pads which is cause the disquiet? Alan G3NYK - Original Message - From: Leigh L. Klotz, Jr WA5ZNU le...@wa5znu.org To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 6:38 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Remove Pictic boards from envelopes I tried water, then isopropyl, but what worked was a quick cleaning with a white eraser. Leigh/WA5ZNU On 08/06/2010 08:15 AM, Ed Palmer wrote: You mean they are tinned? I received my two boards a couple of days ago. I thought that they missed the tinning solution. There's just an occasional splash of bright tin here and there, particularly on the back. The rest looks like oxidized copper. I haven't tried to solder them yet. Hope the rosin cuts through it. Ed Stanley Reynolds wrote: Please remove Pictic boards from envelopes when you receive them. Received a report that the tinning on the bottom of the board was discolored perhaps due to some contamination in the envelope. Will wrap boards in plastic wrap in the future. Stanley ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] pc clock crystal long term variations
On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 21:40:35 + Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: DEC used way better crystals than the average PC-HW producers, so I am not very surprised. Not sure if this was just general good engineering or a panicy reaction to all the trouble the alphas gave them. They had a few machines that could slot either x86 of alpha CPU boards, and they were built from very high quality parts. This machine is a quite cheap dual P-II 266 system. No way to fit in Alpha CPUs. Though, there were Alpha machines in the same case. I guess they must have used very expensive crystals back then :-) And why doesnt the crystal relax back into it's old ppm value, but stays where it is after a reboot/power cylce? You kernel tries to measure/estimate the crystal frequency at boot, it does not get the same value on every boot. Do mean the BogoMIPS callculation of linux? I don't know of any other timing dependend loop in there. Check your syslog/dmesg for the frequency estimate and you can see this clearly. I will try to fit the BogoMIPS data over the ntp loopstats and see what that yields. Thanks Attila Kinali -- If you want to walk fast, walk alone. If you want to walk far, walk together. -- African proverb ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Remove Pictic boards from envelopes
From: Alan Melia alan.me...@btinternet.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 6:01:59 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Remove Pictic boards from envelopes Could there maybe be a thin flux coating over the pads which is cause the disquiet? Alan G3NYK snip The boards had a uniform silver finish except for the green solder mask. I'm sure I would have noticed any brown tint while packing them. The brown tint must have occured in shipment. Sorry the choice of packing was my mistake and will be glad to make good anyone who needs replacment please email me off list. Stanley Stanley snip ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] pc clock crystal long term variations
In message 20100810131656.35a29bde.att...@kinali.ch, Attila Kinali writes: On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 21:40:35 + I will try to fit the BogoMIPS data over the ntp loopstats and see what that yields. Try finding the TSC frequency if Linux reports that during boot, I suspect that is the interesting number to compare with. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Remove Pictic boards from envelopes
In message 002501cb389e$8d851b10$4001a...@lark, Alan Melia writes: it is surprising the lead pencil hasn't been banned under RoHS :-)) Quite a number of graphical tools, including various sorts of pencils, did indeed need reformulation to comply with RoHS. Pantone was not at all amused for instance. Poul-Henning -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Re: [time-nuts] No Comment
The reality of this, hoping not to deteriorate the discussion into politics, is that outside of the scientific community, the greater mass of the population might be easily swayed to go along with the idea of moving to a different time standard. After all, most of the planet's populace has no clue about the need for standard time, or its history, and is likely to see the change as 'good'. And those who follow Islam will certainly not object, and they are a significant force on this planet. You have all seen instances where voters have defied logic and good sense to 'fix' a problem they could not be bothered to truly understand, so just voted on gut or heart or whatever their favorite talking head told them. So laugh or be skeptical, but be aware that there is enough power to make such a thing happen if properly sold. On the other hand, does it really matter? We have put up with the farce that is Daylight Saving Time for years. Tom, N8ZM -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of J. Forster Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 4:42 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] No Comment http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hghTFlnZ0yYigLDaCnQT8 xowHaJA -John == ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] No Comment
Thing is, Islamic time stops 5 times a day... Don Tom Holmes The reality of this, hoping not to deteriorate the discussion into politics, is that outside of the scientific community, the greater mass of the population might be easily swayed to go along with the idea of moving to a different time standard. After all, most of the planet's populace has no clue about the need for standard time, or its history, and is likely to see the change as 'good'. And those who follow Islam will certainly not object, and they are a significant force on this planet. You have all seen instances where voters have defied logic and good sense to 'fix' a problem they could not be bothered to truly understand, so just voted on gut or heart or whatever their favorite talking head told them. So laugh or be skeptical, but be aware that there is enough power to make such a thing happen if properly sold. On the other hand, does it really matter? We have put up with the farce that is Daylight Saving Time for years. Tom, N8ZM -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of J. Forster Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 4:42 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] No Comment http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hghTFlnZ0yYigLDaCnQT8 xowHaJA -John == ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Neither the voice of authority nor the weight of reason and argument are as significant as experiment, for thence comes quiet to the mind. R. Bacon Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL Six Mile Systems LLP 17850 Six Mile Road POB 134 Huson, MT, 59846 VOX 406-626-4304 www.lightningforensics.com www.sixmilesystems.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I suppose it could be something like leapprayers? (no offence intended!) Jean-Louis Oneto - Original Message - From: Don Latham d...@montana.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] No Comment Thing is, Islamic time stops 5 times a day... Don Tom Holmes The reality of this, hoping not to deteriorate the discussion into politics, is that outside of the scientific community, the greater mass of the population might be easily swayed to go along with the idea of moving to a different time standard. After all, most of the planet's populace has no clue about the need for standard time, or its history, and is likely to see the change as 'good'. And those who follow Islam will certainly not object, and they are a significant force on this planet. You have all seen instances where voters have defied logic and good sense to 'fix' a problem they could not be bothered to truly understand, so just voted on gut or heart or whatever their favorite talking head told them. So laugh or be skeptical, but be aware that there is enough power to make such a thing happen if properly sold. On the other hand, does it really matter? We have put up with the farce that is Daylight Saving Time for years. Tom, N8ZM -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of J. Forster Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 4:42 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] No Comment http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hghTFlnZ0yYigLDaCnQT8 xowHaJA -John == ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Neither the voice of authority nor the weight of reason and argument are as significant as experiment, for thence comes quiet to the mind. R. Bacon Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL Six Mile Systems LLP 17850 Six Mile Road POB 134 Huson, MT, 59846 VOX 406-626-4304 www.lightningforensics.com www.sixmilesystems.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] No Comment
If it does, I think we'll be able to blame the LHC instead... ;-) *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 10-Aug-10 at 14:19 Robert LaJeunesse wrote: Will time stop when the electricity goes off? From: Bruce Lane kyr...@bluefeathertech.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 4:54:38 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] No Comment Four words: Good Luck With That... *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 10-Aug-10 at 13:42 J. Forster wrote: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hghTFlnZ0yYigLDaCnQT8 x owHaJA -John == ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5356 (20100810) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5356 (20100810) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] No Comment
Hi There is an alternative: Use Bob Time. When you want to know what time it is, ask Bob. The answer will be provided for a small fee. Makes perfect sense to me. Bob On Aug 10, 2010, at 4:42 PM, J. Forster wrote: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hghTFlnZ0yYigLDaCnQT8xowHaJA -John == ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Remove Pictic boards from envelopes
Alan Melia wrote: Pencil?? only us oldies know what that is... it is surprising the lead pencil hasn't been banned under RoHS :-)) Alan G3NYK I don't know that lead (as in the element) has ever been used in pencils.. I read a fascinating book on the history of the pencil a few years back.. it described how graphite (the mines of Cumberland were famous for graphite with good writing/drawing properties) was called plumbago (lead ore) because chemical analysis didn't really exist and the dense black substance seemed to resemble lead. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Remove Pictic boards from envelopes
Hi Jim ...being ironic...see the smiley Alan - Original Message - From: jimlux jim...@earthlink.net To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Remove Pictic boards from envelopes Alan Melia wrote: Pencil?? only us oldies know what that is... it is surprising the lead pencil hasn't been banned under RoHS :-)) Alan G3NYK I don't know that lead (as in the element) has ever been used in pencils.. I read a fascinating book on the history of the pencil a few years back.. it described how graphite (the mines of Cumberland were famous for graphite with good writing/drawing properties) was called plumbago (lead ore) because chemical analysis didn't really exist and the dense black substance seemed to resemble lead. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Remove Pictic boards from envelopes
Nevertheless, there is a mention (with picture) of mine de plomb (=lead pencil) in the French version of Wikipedia: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mine_de_plomb They were extensively used in Antiquity (Egyptians, Greeks and Roman). But I don't think they have RoHS compliant problems ;-} Jean-Louis Oneto - Original Message - From: Alan Melia alan.me...@btinternet.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Remove Pictic boards from envelopes Hi Jim ...being ironic...see the smiley Alan - Original Message - From: jimlux jim...@earthlink.net To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Remove Pictic boards from envelopes Alan Melia wrote: Pencil?? only us oldies know what that is... it is surprising the lead pencil hasn't been banned under RoHS :-)) Alan G3NYK I don't know that lead (as in the element) has ever been used in pencils.. I read a fascinating book on the history of the pencil a few years back.. it described how graphite (the mines of Cumberland were famous for graphite with good writing/drawing properties) was called plumbago (lead ore) because chemical analysis didn't really exist and the dense black substance seemed to resemble lead. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Remove Pictic boards from envelopes
Alan Melia wrote: Hi Jim ...being ironic...see the smiley Alan sorry... I was lubing my slip-stick with a pencil and didn't catch it.grin ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] No Comment
Don... Some days, so do I :-). Tom N8ZM -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Don Latham Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 5:49 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] No Comment Thing is, Islamic time stops 5 times a day... Don Tom Holmes The reality of this, hoping not to deteriorate the discussion into politics, is that outside of the scientific community, the greater mass of the population might be easily swayed to go along with the idea of moving to a different time standard. After all, most of the planet's populace has no clue about the need for standard time, or its history, and is likely to see the change as 'good'. And those who follow Islam will certainly not object, and they are a significant force on this planet. You have all seen instances where voters have defied logic and good sense to 'fix' a problem they could not be bothered to truly understand, so just voted on gut or heart or whatever their favorite talking head told them. So laugh or be skeptical, but be aware that there is enough power to make such a thing happen if properly sold. On the other hand, does it really matter? We have put up with the farce that is Daylight Saving Time for years. Tom, N8ZM -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of J. Forster Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 4:42 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] No Comment http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hghTFlnZ0yYigLDaCnQT8 xowHaJA -John == ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Neither the voice of authority nor the weight of reason and argument are as significant as experiment, for thence comes quiet to the mind. R. Bacon Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL Six Mile Systems LLP 17850 Six Mile Road POB 134 Huson, MT, 59846 VOX 406-626-4304 www.lightningforensics.com www.sixmilesystems.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Remove Pictic boards from envelopes
On 11/08/2010, Jean-Louis Oneto jean-louis.on...@obs-azur.fr wrote: Nevertheless, there is a mention (with picture) of mine de plomb (=lead pencil) in the French version of Wikipedia: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mine_de_plomb They were extensively used in Antiquity (Egyptians, Greeks and Roman). But I don't think they have RoHS compliant problems ;-} But the real question is, did they used to have a nice little pink useful eraser at the end of their pencils so they could clean up their PCBs back then? Steve Jean-Louis Oneto - Original Message - From: Alan Melia alan.me...@btinternet.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Remove Pictic boards from envelopes Hi Jim ...being ironic...see the smiley Alan - Original Message - From: jimlux jim...@earthlink.net To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Remove Pictic boards from envelopes Alan Melia wrote: Pencil?? only us oldies know what that is... it is surprising the lead pencil hasn't been banned under RoHS :-)) Alan G3NYK I don't know that lead (as in the element) has ever been used in pencils.. I read a fascinating book on the history of the pencil a few years back.. it described how graphite (the mines of Cumberland were famous for graphite with good writing/drawing properties) was called plumbago (lead ore) because chemical analysis didn't really exist and the dense black substance seemed to resemble lead. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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No boss, I'm not late, I was going by Mecca Time :) Steve On 11/08/2010, Tom Holmes thol...@woh.rr.com wrote: Don... Some days, so do I :-). Tom N8ZM -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Don Latham Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 5:49 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] No Comment Thing is, Islamic time stops 5 times a day... Don Tom Holmes The reality of this, hoping not to deteriorate the discussion into politics, is that outside of the scientific community, the greater mass of the population might be easily swayed to go along with the idea of moving to a different time standard. After all, most of the planet's populace has no clue about the need for standard time, or its history, and is likely to see the change as 'good'. And those who follow Islam will certainly not object, and they are a significant force on this planet. You have all seen instances where voters have defied logic and good sense to 'fix' a problem they could not be bothered to truly understand, so just voted on gut or heart or whatever their favorite talking head told them. So laugh or be skeptical, but be aware that there is enough power to make such a thing happen if properly sold. On the other hand, does it really matter? We have put up with the farce that is Daylight Saving Time for years. Tom, N8ZM -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of J. Forster Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 4:42 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] No Comment http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hghTFlnZ0yYigLDaCnQT8 xowHaJA -John == ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Neither the voice of authority nor the weight of reason and argument are as significant as experiment, for thence comes quiet to the mind. R. Bacon Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL Six Mile Systems LLP 17850 Six Mile Road POB 134 Huson, MT, 59846 VOX 406-626-4304 www.lightningforensics.com www.sixmilesystems.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Stanley time would have 10 seconds per minute, 10 minutes per hour, 10 hours per day ... No need for leap seconds if we remove all connections to celestial movements. To avoid any politics's in picking a starting point now would be zero and the past measured as negative time. From: Steve Rooke sar10...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 8:25:37 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] No Comment No boss, I'm not late, I was going by Mecca Time :) Steve On 11/08/2010, Tom Holmes thol...@woh.rr.com wrote: Don... Some days, so do I :-). Tom N8ZM -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Don Latham Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 5:49 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] No Comment Thing is, Islamic time stops 5 times a day... Don Tom Holmes The reality of this, hoping not to deteriorate the discussion into politics, is that outside of the scientific community, the greater mass of the population might be easily swayed to go along with the idea of moving to a different time standard. After all, most of the planet's populace has no clue about the need for standard time, or its history, and is likely to see the change as 'good'. And those who follow Islam will certainly not object, and they are a significant force on this planet. You have all seen instances where voters have defied logic and good sense to 'fix' a problem they could not be bothered to truly understand, so just voted on gut or heart or whatever their favorite talking head told them. So laugh or be skeptical, but be aware that there is enough power to make such a thing happen if properly sold. On the other hand, does it really matter? We have put up with the farce that is Daylight Saving Time for years. Tom, N8ZM -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of J. Forster Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 4:42 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] No Comment http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hghTFlnZ0yYigLDaCnQT8 xowHaJA -John == ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Neither the voice of authority nor the weight of reason and argument are as significant as experiment, for thence comes quiet to the mind. R. Bacon Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL Six Mile Systems LLP 17850 Six Mile Road POB 134 Huson, MT, 59846 VOX 406-626-4304 www.lightningforensics.com www.sixmilesystems.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] No Comment
Haven't heard anybody mention Islamic DST yet. Back when I was designing control systems, we had a subsystem that displayed the trends of variables against time. DST was a pain, but most all of them changed by an hour on the hour. Islamic time could change in increments of 15 minutes, IIRC, and more often than twice a year. Good luck getting the scheduled world to adopt Meccan time, even if Mecca is declared to be the navel of the Arab world. Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] No Comment
I suppose Islamic time would be similar to the Islamic or Jewish calendar, used for timing religious observances, but Muslims living in western countries would follow local time derived from GMT for civil and business purposes. Just as Muslims and Jews use the Christian calendar for civil purposes. If they should succeed in converting the whole world to Islam, then maybe that could change but I'm not going to worry about that in my lifetime. What is the local time difference between Greenwich and Mecca anyway? I suppose it's not an integer number of hours. Dan Schultz N8FGV ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On 11 August 2010 13:51, Stanley Reynolds stanley_reyno...@yahoo.com wrote: Stanley time would have 10 seconds per minute, 10 minutes per hour, 10 hours per day ... No need for leap seconds if we remove all connections to celestial movements. To avoid any politics's in picking a starting point now would be zero and the past measured as negative time. Yes, to save any politics, time should start at some neutral point chronologically, like my birthday. That way, people older than me would actually be younger than they were before this was set up by the number of years that they were originally older than me, IE. someone older than me by 10 years would now be younger than me by 10 years as the time before my birth is negative and is taken away from the time after my birth. As there are a lot of elderly people in the wolrld, they are all bound to vote for this system so it's very likely it would be passed into global law. As for the meridian, it would have to pass thought 27 St Martins Place, where I was born, of course, but this would not be of great difficulty for most as this longitude is very close to Greenwich so there would be very little change to be made there. To celebrate the new Dawn Of Time (tm), there would be a Global holiday and for the first time in my life, at least a few people would be thankful that I was born. Having such a Global holiday, would mean there would be no problems with international business on that day as there would be no business on that day. As I do not believe and any form of deity, there would be no objections from any church as the time would be completely religion agnostic. All in all, an excellent win-win exercise. Steve PS. Just in case you are humour challenged :) From: Steve Rooke sar10...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 8:25:37 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] No Comment No boss, I'm not late, I was going by Mecca Time :) Steve On 11/08/2010, Tom Holmes thol...@woh.rr.com wrote: Don... Some days, so do I :-). Tom N8ZM -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Don Latham Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 5:49 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] No Comment Thing is, Islamic time stops 5 times a day... Don Tom Holmes The reality of this, hoping not to deteriorate the discussion into politics, is that outside of the scientific community, the greater mass of the population might be easily swayed to go along with the idea of moving to a different time standard. After all, most of the planet's populace has no clue about the need for standard time, or its history, and is likely to see the change as 'good'. And those who follow Islam will certainly not object, and they are a significant force on this planet. You have all seen instances where voters have defied logic and good sense to 'fix' a problem they could not be bothered to truly understand, so just voted on gut or heart or whatever their favorite talking head told them. So laugh or be skeptical, but be aware that there is enough power to make such a thing happen if properly sold. On the other hand, does it really matter? We have put up with the farce that is Daylight Saving Time for years. Tom, N8ZM -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of J. Forster Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 4:42 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] No Comment http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hghTFlnZ0yYigLDaCnQT8 xowHaJA -John == ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Neither the voice of authority nor the weight of reason and argument are as significant as experiment, for thence comes quiet to the mind. R. Bacon Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL Six Mile Systems LLP 17850 Six Mile Road POB 134 Huson, MT, 59846 VOX 406-626-4304 www.lightningforensics.com www.sixmilesystems.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to
Re: [time-nuts] Remove Pictic boards from envelopes
Steve wrote: They just need the simple application of the little pink eraser (I was going to say rubber :) at the end of a pencil and a bit of elbow grease to come up looking shiny and new. Alternatively, a quick dip in TarnX (thiourea tarnish remover) should brighten them right up. Note that TarnX contains a chemical (thiourea) that has been found by the State of California to be a carcinogen (Luckily, I don't live in CA. It's apparently not carcinogenic here.) One of the pink paste silver polishes on a wet sponge would probably also work, but could remove some of the tin -- though likely not as much as an eraser. Best regards, Charles ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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How about StarTrek time! The time is StarDate . The next thing we know, every religion will want it's own time. I'd imagine that Scientology would currently be running in BS, Before Spaceship, as they are in countdown for the mother ship to come and collect them. :) Steve On 11 August 2010 14:28, Daniel Schultz n8...@usa.net wrote: I suppose Islamic time would be similar to the Islamic or Jewish calendar, used for timing religious observances, but Muslims living in western countries would follow local time derived from GMT for civil and business purposes. Just as Muslims and Jews use the Christian calendar for civil purposes. If they should succeed in converting the whole world to Islam, then maybe that could change but I'm not going to worry about that in my lifetime. What is the local time difference between Greenwich and Mecca anyway? I suppose it's not an integer number of hours. Dan Schultz N8FGV ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Remove Pictic boards from envelopes
On 11 August 2010 14:35, Charles P. Steinmetz charles_steinm...@lavabit.com wrote: Steve wrote: They just need the simple application of the little pink eraser (I was going to say rubber :) at the end of a pencil and a bit of elbow grease to come up looking shiny and new. Alternatively, a quick dip in TarnX (thiourea tarnish remover) should brighten them right up. Note that TarnX contains a chemical (thiourea) that has been found by the State of California to be a carcinogen (Luckily, I don't live in CA. It's apparently not carcinogenic here.) One of the pink paste silver polishes on a wet sponge would probably also work, but could remove some of the tin -- though likely not as much as an eraser. Of course you could make it even more complicated. Design and build a spaceship, travel to the Moon, collect some of the abrasive dust from its surface, travel back, make the Moon dust into a paste and rub this on the board. Alternatively use a pencil eraser, no expensive, dangerous and messy chemicals to use, just the humble inexpensive pencil you probably have hanging around anyway. KISS Steve Best regards, Charles ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Remove Pictic boards from envelopes
Steve wrote: Of course you could make it even more complicated. Design and build a spaceship, travel to the Moon, collect some of the abrasive dust from its surface, travel back, make the Moon dust into a paste and rub this on the board. Alternatively use a pencil eraser, no expensive, dangerous and messy chemicals to use, just the humble inexpensive pencil you probably have hanging around anyway. Don't see how using TarnX (which actually reverts the tarnish to metal without removing any) is making things complicated (nor expensive, or messy, or dangerous -- as long as you don't use it in California), but thanks for that perspective. And no, I don't have any pencils on the premises (but TarnX and paste silver polish are both readily to hand). Best regards, Charles ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Remove Pictic boards from envelopes
Steve wrote: I really thought that Stanley had become far too apologetic over such a simple issue to deal with I agree absolutely. and the more we talk about the problem seems to put more pressure on him. I hadn't thought about that -- definitely not my intention. Crikey, I'm over the moon thankful to him and a few seconds polishing the oxide off the board with an eraser is hardly any imposition at all No imposition whatever, I'd say. Thank you, Stanley! You deserve nothing but our gratitude. Best regards, Charles ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
