[time-nuts] Close in frequency stability
Hi, Here attached is a TBOLT screen shot, I am unable to go an ADEV @ 1s not better than 10-8 with timelab when I am measuring a 10-134 10 MHz source, I suppose that it is due to the short term stability of my TBOLT around 20 ppt rms with spikes coming up to 80 ppt . Putting directly the output of my external 10MHz ref in the input of my 53132A counter give some variation of the 11 and 12 digits which is expected accordingly to PPS TBOLT span . I would like to know if I am at the limits of the TBOLT for close in stability measurements and if there is any way to improve that (may be I have missed something). Regards Loïc attachment: tbolt.gif___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Raven Industries GPS in-line L1 Amplifier
What's the problem in sending to the UK. I've used their products in the past. Rob Kimberley -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of David J Taylor Sent: 07 November 2011 07:43 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Raven Industries GPS in-line L1 Amplifier Just be careful on overloading the front end of a GPS receiver. A typical (what ever that is anymore) GPS receiver has about a maximum of a 15 dB power bandwidth. If overloading occurs (minor), it might swamp the strong signals. If you already have an active antenna the extra 12 dB of the in-line amp may effectively jam all the signals. That said, thanks for the heads up and I believe I'll get one just to try :). Michael / K7HIL No need to worry about overloading here - the ** won't send to the UK. David -- SatSignal software - quality software written to your requirements Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Email: david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Raven Industries GPS in-line L1 Amplifier
What's the problem in sending to the UK. I've used their products in the past. Rob Kimberley Yes, I've bought stuff from all over the world, but this vendor appears not to want to sell to the UK (when I try and buy on eBay). A pity. I'm trying a different approach to GPS pucks at the moment. Instead of outside on a SSW facing window, I'm trying inside at the top of the loft, under the roof. Theory being that more overhead satellites will be seen, which may be what the RX is set for as it's for a time, not position usage. The cable I have has a loss of about 4 dB, so working without a pre-amp is not giving too good a signal right now! Another pre-amp is on order, but the eBay one would have been a better box. Cheers, David -- SatSignal software - quality software written to your requirements Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Email: david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Raven Industries GPS in-line L1 Amplifier
As David implies, there is no problem sending to the UK. I had a look at listing and immediately recognized the seller. He won't send anything to Canada nor I think Alaska or Hawaii. For some reason he has an issue with anything that appears to involve a bit of extra work. It's his choice and you have to respect that whether you agree or not. Many sellers inadvertantly list items as US only (or UK or whatever). I have found that asking nicely will often get a positive reply. I have been following David's postings on the GPS puck antennas. I am in the midst of setting up a good outside GPS reference antenna; one the cone shaped types. However, I often wondered how useable some of these other more common antenna types are particularily if I need to feed a receiver over say 25 or 30 feet of coax; hence my interest. I have a small GPS logger that is about 1 inch by 1 inch by 2 inches in size that has no external antenna and connects to my computer via blue tooth. It is sold for hiker and photographers to log there where abouts. It works very well on the dash of my car and surprisingly will also acquire a number of satellites and produce positions while on a table on the south side of my basement. Certainly not time nuts having lots of jitter but interesting in that it will acquire lock. Cheers, Graham ve3gtc -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of David J Taylor Sent: November 7, 2011 07:37 To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Raven Industries GPS in-line L1 Amplifier What's the problem in sending to the UK. I've used their products in the past. Rob Kimberley Yes, I've bought stuff from all over the world, but this vendor appears not to want to sell to the UK (when I try and buy on eBay). A pity. I'm trying a different approach to GPS pucks at the moment. Instead of outside on a SSW facing window, I'm trying inside at the top of the loft, under the roof. Theory being that more overhead satellites will be seen, which may be what the RX is set for as it's for a time, not position usage. The cable I have has a loss of about 4 dB, so working without a pre-amp is not giving too good a signal right now! Another pre-amp is on order, but the eBay one would have been a better box. Cheers, David -- SatSignal software - quality software written to your requirements Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Email: david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Is a FS700 useable in the USA?
Scott I do not believe any antenna will allow you to even hear the signal. Much less allow it to become useful. I have a srs700 on the eastcoast and on rare evenings I can barely get the European signals. On occasion get lock I have a good preamplified antenna some what away from noise sources. (Relatively speaking). I have numbers of other LORAN C rcvrs and as an example the austrons seem a bit better at recovering the signals. So funny story at the last two ham flea markets in new england a dealer is carrying around a FS700 approached him at these flea markets. Well the thing was gold. Wanted $300-400 for the unit. It did not matter that it was useless in the US. I would put these at a value of $20 today. Unless you happen to have a LORAN C simulator. But then its only good for comparing 2 references against each other. Or more importantly a fine case for a GPS reference. :-) Regards Paul WB8TSL Boston On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Azelio Boriani azelio.bori...@screen.itwrote: Yes, I have seen that some old Loran receivers (like the Apollo 612B) have fixed preprogrammed chain delays (GRIs) and others (like Raynav 520) can be set with a variable delay. On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: On 11/06/2011 12:25 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In messagef3429597-8c62-464a-82fa-c321b51fe...@flatironresearch.com, Scott H arris writes: I picked up a SRS FS700 LORAN-C frequency standard cheap and is seem to be functional, but I don't have the active antenna. I live about 20 miles west of Boulder, CO. I seriously doubt you will get any kind of signal that the FS700 or any other LORAN-C receiver can use. Your nearest station may be one of the Russian Chayka stations. PS: But I'm in the market for a cheap FS700, if you want to get rid of it again, but we need to find a sensible way to ship it to Denmark... I would too be in the market for one, I'm in Sweden so I too get to see some LORAN-C. However, I recall there being some issue with the FS700 and support for European chains due to the chain delay settings. Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Low-cost GPS distribution using DVB-T parts?
Indeed I used a cabletv/tv line amp for several years and splitters very effectively. However my last project used a preamplified antenna driving a minicircuits amp to a 8 way fairly good grade satellite splitter. The 8 way split is as I recall 19 db of loss. The mar circuit has 24-26 DB gain. Seems I always need just one more antenna feed. Plus the splitter has built in DC blocking. Though some gps recvrs need a antenna dc load to be happy. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 11:28 AM, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: My thanks to Nigel, Azelio, and Chuck for confirming the feasibility of this. At least I haven't spent too much time re-inventing the wheel. I now have some bits on order, including yes more adapters for those wretched F-connectors! Cheers, David -- SatSignal software - quality software written to your requirements Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Email: david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Serial to Excel utility
Wow for the rich and famous I see. $259 is about what a whole laptop costs. :-) On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 2:14 AM, Joe Leikhim jleik...@leikhim.com wrote: Try this or datawedge http://www.taltech.com/products/winwedge Sent from my iPod ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Serial to Excel utility.
Hi Nic I havent done it but a friend did for a magnetomter unit..it ought to be possible to write a simple macro in Excel to take comma delimited input data from the serial port. It is always simple when you havent done it though :-)) I have trapped GPS NMEA input to file in Hypertext and plotted the location as a radar scatter plot (done soon after SA was switched off.) Alan G3NYK - Original Message - From: Nic McLean mclea...@bigpond.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 6:48 PM Subject: [time-nuts] Serial to Excel utility. Sorry folks for the slightly OT post. Does anybody know of a utility that will import and parse the serial bit stream from a GPS and put values into a couple of cells in an Excel spreadsheet? Regards, Nic VK2KXN / VK5ZAT ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Low-cost GPS distribution using DVB-T parts?
Yes, as some GPSes need a DC path to recognize a valid antenna I modify the cheap satellite/TV splitters with a 270ohm (also 220, 180, 150 will do) resistor between output F connector center and the GND. On 11/7/11, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed I used a cabletv/tv line amp for several years and splitters very effectively. However my last project used a preamplified antenna driving a minicircuits amp to a 8 way fairly good grade satellite splitter. The 8 way split is as I recall 19 db of loss. The mar circuit has 24-26 DB gain. Seems I always need just one more antenna feed. Plus the splitter has built in DC blocking. Though some gps recvrs need a antenna dc load to be happy. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 11:28 AM, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: My thanks to Nigel, Azelio, and Chuck for confirming the feasibility of this. At least I haven't spent too much time re-inventing the wheel. I now have some bits on order, including yes more adapters for those wretched F-connectors! Cheers, David -- SatSignal software - quality software written to your requirements Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Email: david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Serial to Excel utility
On 11/7/11 7:21 AM, paul swed wrote: Wow for the rich and famous I see. $259 is about what a whole laptop costs. :-) Yes, but then you still need to write the software for that laptop. Think of it this way.. you're a non-software-developer kind of person but highly paid.. $100k/yr kind of senior engineer/scientist. You need a way to interface widget X to your computer to get data into Excel. You can pick up the phone and order one of these widgets in 15 minutes, then, hopefully, spend a half hour or so after it arrives, and your problem is solved. Or, you can spend a day thrashing with some sort of Excel macros, or finding someone to do some coding, etc. $100k/hr - about $1000/day.. If the $250 widget and an hour meets the need, it's a win. Even if you're a coding wizard and can knock this out in your sleep, it might still be worthwhile.. if you have limited hours to do things, do the things that only YOU can do, and let someone else do the rest. (this is an argument I have with senior microwave engineers wanting to do their own sysadmin work.. we've got dozens of people who can do sysadmin work, we have very few who can design 94GHz circuits.. ) On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 2:14 AM, Joe Leikhimjleik...@leikhim.com wrote: Try this or datawedge http://www.taltech.com/products/winwedge Sent from my iPod ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] Low-cost GPS distribution using DVB-T parts?
Azelio Boriani- Yes, as some GPSes need a DC path to recognize a valid antenna I modify the cheap satellite/TV splitters with a 270ohm (also 220, 180, 150 will do) resistor between output F connector center and the GND. I 've done the same. I use a Mini-Circuits ZAPD GPS two output amp and feed each outputs to a 4-way 2.4Ghz TV splitter with F connectors (just like item number 250865005544 on the popular auction site, $14 for 2 including shipping costs) with one power pass output and 3 blocking outputs. This allows me to run a number of GPS units I'm testing with the amp gain-splitter loss not swamping the receiver. Another advantage is that the Thunderbolts use a type F connector and I can use ready made low loss TV cables to connect everything. I've used up to a 330 ohm resistor to fool the GPS into thinking there is a direct connection to the antenna on the 3 blocking outputs, or just live with the open antenna message. I just have to make sure I have at least one of the GPS receivers connected to one of the power pass outputs so the amp is powered. -Arthur ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Low-cost GPS distribution using DVB-T parts?
Hi David: Yes, see: http://www.prc68.com/I/4GPS.shtml Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.End2PartyGovernment.com/ David J Taylor wrote: Folks, I wonder whether anyone has tried GPS RF signal distribution using low-cost TV parts? For example, this amplifier: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B001AI7OOQ is rated up to 2.3 GHz and could be driven from the +5 V available on the antenna socket of some units. Used after a puck antenna, its noise factor would not be critical, nor would the 50-ohm/75-ohm impedance mismatch. You could then add a 2-way or 4-way satellite TV splitter to feed multiple GPS units (taking care of the DC paths and various connector formats, of course). Just a thought Cheers, David ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Low-cost GPS distribution using DVB-T parts?
Hi David: Yes, see: http://www.prc68.com/I/4GPS.shtml Have Fun, Brooke Clarke Yes, someone had already pointed out your site. Brilliant, and encouraging for the rest of us. I'm sticking with 5V only, by the way, if I can. I have the antenna in the loft now, line-amp awaited. Thanks, David -- SatSignal software - quality software written to your requirements Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Email: david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Low-cost GPS distribution using DVB-T parts?
Hi David: It turns out there there are a number of different voltage standards. Anywhere between 3.3 Volts for the DAGR to 10 Volts (and higher) for many surveying GPS receivers like the Ashtech Z12 http://www.prc68.com/I/AshtechZ12.shtml I've tested a number of them with some data at: http://www.prc68.com/I/DAGR.shtml#Ant The Motorola hockey puck was NOT designed for much more than 5 Volts, it's an anomaly, most antennas work over a wide range of DC voltages. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.End2PartyGovernment.com/ David J Taylor wrote: Hi David: Yes, see: http://www.prc68.com/I/4GPS.shtml Have Fun, Brooke Clarke Yes, someone had already pointed out your site. Brilliant, and encouraging for the rest of us. I'm sticking with 5V only, by the way, if I can. I have the antenna in the loft now, line-amp awaited. Thanks, David ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Serial to Excel utility
You need a way to interface widget X to your computer to get data into Excel. You can pick up the phone and order one of these widgets in 15 minutes, then, hopefully, spend a half hour or so after it arrives, and your problem is solved. Or, you can spend a day thrashing with some sort of Excel macros, or finding someone to do some coding, etc. $100k/hr - about $1000/day.. If the $250 widget and an hour meets the need, it's a win. Good point. It's probably correct in the right context. In this particular case, the data source is NMEA which is already csv. I expect it's harder to install and setup a new piece of software than it is to do it yourself. Don't forget that installing software has to fit into your backup approach and things like that. Another approach is to get somebody to help you with the some coding step. I'm thinking of teaching you how to do it rather than just doing it. If somebody is smart enough to drive Excel, they are probably smart enough to do some simple scripting after somebody shows them a good approach and helps them get setup. -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] Off topic (was - Re: Serial to Excel utility
On Nov 7, 2011, at 11:30 AM, Jim Lux wrote: On 11/7/11 7:21 AM, paul swed wrote: Wow for the rich and famous I see. $259 is about what a whole laptop costs. :-) Yes, but then you still need to write the software for that laptop. Think of it this way.. you're a non-software-developer kind of person but highly paid.. $100k/yr kind of senior engineer/scientist. You need a way to interface widget X to your computer to get data into Excel. You can pick up the phone and order one of these widgets in 15 minutes, then, hopefully, spend a half hour or so after it arrives, and your problem is solved. Or, you can spend a day thrashing with some sort of Excel macros, or finding someone to do some coding, etc. $100k/hr - about $1000/day.. If the $250 widget and an hour meets the need, it's a win. Even if you're a coding wizard and can knock this out in your sleep, it might still be worthwhile.. if you have limited hours to do things, do the things that only YOU can do, and let someone else do the rest. (this is an argument I have with senior microwave engineers wanting to do their own sysadmin work.. we've got dozens of people who can do sysadmin work, we have very few who can design 94GHz circuits.. A word of advice - if your senior microwave engineers want to do their own sysadmin work, it is because the people you have doing that work are not doing it to the satisfaction of the microwave engineers. Most likely, they are in fact making life difficult for the microwave engineers, and interfering with them getting their actual work done. Fix that problem, and you won't have to worry about highly paid senior engineers doing sysadmin work. It is a rare company indeed where the sysadmins are told that they are to do what the engineers request, without fighting, whining, or being passive aggressive about it. Those are the sorts of companies one wants to work for. Tom Frank, KA2CDK (who most certainly does NOT work for one of those companies) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] Norman Ramsey obit
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/07/us/norman-ramsey-dies-at-96-work-led-to-the-atomic-clock.html ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Serial to Excel utility
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: $100k/hr - about $1000/day.. If the $250 widget and an hour meets the need, it's a win. Might oughta check your math there, buddy. $100K/hr is quite a lot of money :-) (just kidding, was obviously a typo) But, back to the original point - people who sell software have significant fixed costs and almost no variable costs. So, if you only expect to sell a few copies of a piece of software, it's going to have to be pretty expensive if you are to break even. Thanks, -JP ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Serial to Excel utility
On 11/7/11 6:24 PM, Justin Pinnix wrote: On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Jim Luxjim...@earthlink.net wrote: $100k/hr - about $1000/day.. If the $250 widget and an hour meets the need, it's a win. Might oughta check your math there, buddy. $100K/hr is quite a lot of money :-) Oh no... I guess I misread that last paycheck.. Time to send the fleet of Ferraris back. (just kidding, was obviously a typo) But, back to the original point - people who sell software have significant fixed costs and almost no variable costs. So, if you only expect to sell a few copies of a piece of software, it's going to have to be pretty expensive if you are to break even. yes.. And for something like the wedge product being mentioned, a lot of what goes into the cost is probably the downstream support. You might start with a fairly simple product, price it at some perceived pain point, and strategize that you'll build adapters to whatever weird piece of gear someone comes up with, and add it to the library. Maybe they've got a room full of people who know their software real well, perhaps at fairly moderate wages, and a real good system to do the high end type support (to the point of having a customer photocopy the manual and send it to them). I've not had that particular experience with this particular company, but I've worked with others where that was the case (particularly in pre-internet days) You paid a pretty penny for the software, but still less than a custom development for your needs. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Off topic (was - Re: Serial to Excel utility
On 11/7/11 3:48 PM, Thomas A Frank wrote: On Nov 7, 2011, at 11:30 AM, Jim Lux wrote: (this is an argument I have with senior microwave engineers wanting to do their own sysadmin work.. we've got dozens of people who can do sysadmin work, we have very few who can design 94GHz circuits.. A word of advice - if your senior microwave engineers want to do their own sysadmin work, it is because the people you have doing that work are not doing it to the satisfaction of the microwave engineers. Not necessarily. It might be that what sysadmin services are available are not sufficiently well advertised. The institutional services may have improved, but old habits die hard. It is a rare company indeed where the sysadmins are told that they are to do what the engineers request, without fighting, whining, or being passive aggressive about it. Those are the sorts of companies one wants to work for. Sometimes there are cost-control aspects to this. Short term optimization is nothing new (otherwise we'd not have centuries old aphorisms about pennies, pounds and wisdom). Sysadmin is often viewed as pure cost, not bringing in any revenue. (so is emptying the trash cans, of course) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Norman Ramsey obit
That is sad news. He was a real quiet, modest gentleman. On the day he won the Nobel Prize, he ate lunch in the Havard Science cafeteria dining room, alone. This is a loss of another of the Great Men of Physics, along with Bob Pound and Ed Purcell. Sad. Very sad. Best, -John http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/07/us/norman-ramsey-dies-at-96-work-led-to-the-atomic-clock.html ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
