[time-nuts] PVC caps for RF connectors.
Some time back I needed to purchase some caps to cover RF connectors. Despite only wanting a couple of hundred of each, I was unable to get small quantities, so had to buy either 2500 or 5000 of each, so I have a few to spare. If anyone wants to cover their plugs and sockets to stop dirt and damage, they might interest you. They come from Caplugs. The data on them is available from here. http://www.caplugs.co.uk/vinyl_round_caps.asp?pg=seriesseries=174 The types I bought are: VC-812-8 (Suites male N plugs, Male PL259, NMD connectors and APC7) VC-625-8 (Suites female N, female S0239) VC-343-8 (Suites male SMA, female BNC) If anyone wants any, I'm selling them in multiples of 50. I've put price in GBP (my own currency) but also USD. I've used an exchange rate of 1 GBP = $1.70 USD. It will probably be cheaper for someone to buy them in GBP, not USD, but the USD option is there. It depends on the rate Paypal give you. They give me a pretty poor rate converting from USD balance to my UK bank account. COST OF CAPS Small - for male SMA and female BNC - £6 ($10.20) for 50 caps Medium - for female N, female S0239, - £8 ($13.60) for 50 caps. Large - for male N, male PL259, APC7 and NMD - £8 ($13.60) for 50 caps COST OF UK SHIPPING UK shipping is fixed at £4.20, irrespective of the number sent. COST OF INTERNATIONAL SHIPPING. International shipping rates depend on the size and number of caps, as the cost obviously rises with weight, and unlike the UK, the cost is significant due to the need for me to get them tracked internationally. £10.50 ($17.85) shipping for 50 of the smallest size (50 for male SMA) £13 ($22.1) shipping for 50 of either of the larger two sizes (50 for either male N or female N) £14 ($23.80) shipping for 50 of each size (150 caps in total). £20 ($34) shipping for 100 of each sizes (300 caps in total) [See below how to reduce the international shipping prices] So some typical total prices, based on 50 or 100 of each, which most people seem to want, are: * 50 of each size (150 caps) shipped to the UK is £26.20 * 50 of each size (150 caps), shipped outside the UK is £36.00 (GBP) or $61.20 USD * 100 of each size (300 caps), shipped to the UK is £48.20 * 100 of each size (300 caps), shipped outside the UK is £64 (GBP) or $108.8 (USD) If someone wants to send money as Friend and family, rather than Goods, which means you lose all Paypal buyer-protection, I don't mind knocking £6 off the international carriage cost, and I'll send them with no tracking, at 100% your risk. I'll get proof of posting, but that is all. Unfortunately on a low value item, the shipping cost is more than the item, but I can't do much about that. Paypal to drkir...@gmail.com if you want any. Dave, G8WRB. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] PVC caps for RF connectors.
I forgot to add. There are some pictures on eBay of these, but I'm selling them cheaper off of eBay, but you can see the pictures with the various connectors. (No PL259 or S0239 shown, but they do fit. I had to hunt hard to find such connectors here) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=171143220503 Dave ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] HP 4193A 4815A probe compatibility?
I hope this is not to far off topic. Does any one know if the 4193A and 4815A probe are physically interchangeable and electronically compatible? If not does anyone know the differences and how to identify which is which? If you feel this is to far off topic please contact me directly. Thanks very much. Thomas Knox ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP 4193A 4815A probe compatibility?
The 4815A used P channel FETs which were available 50 years ago and are now unobtainium. The 4193A used N channel FETs which were available 10 to 30 years ago and may even be currently available. They are DEFINITELY NOT INTERCHANGEABLE. This is according to ex-HP'er George Standford, who used to support vector impedance meters with HP's blessing. He held the worlds remaining supply of P channel FETs for fixing probes. He was in New Jersey, but my contact info for him is no longer valid. I don't know how to identify them, but in principle an ohmmeter might be able to identify the polarity of the FETs. While we are on the topic, it turns out that the market is such that a 4193A with probe might sell for $5000, but if you break up the set, the probe is worth $4999 and the instrument is worth $1. Well, maybe I exaggerated that a little, but not much :-) I actually know someone who paid $5000 for just a 4193 probe. He made the mistake of purchasing an instrument without a probe, and paid way too much. It is also worth noting that now you can buy a very nice vector impedance meter from Tomco in Austrailia for only $3000 new. I A/B'ed one of these with an HP one, and I will have to admit that the Tomco is the real deal, not a cheap knockoff. Rick Karlquist N6RK On 2013-10-16 09:15, Tom Knox wrote: I hope this is not to far off topic. Does any one know if the 4193A and 4815A probe are physically interchangeable and electronically compatible? If not does anyone know the differences and how to identify which is which? If you feel this is to far off topic please contact me directly. Thanks very much. Thomas Knox ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP 4193A 4815A probe compatibility?
Hi Rick, Tom, one little bit of knowledge I learned: I like the HP 54701A FET probes for frequency-domain stuff. Available for $300 on Ebay sometimes. I built a small power supply for one of mine, and use it as a probe for my Spectrum analyzer and scopes. Almost indestructable. It works really well up to about 3GHz and beyond, especially for relative measurements. The only disadvantage is that it has 100K resistance to ground which may affect sensitive capacitive circuits, and that it has 20dB attenuation. Otherwise it works really well for Spectrum analyzer and Network analyzer applications. bye, Said In a message dated 10/16/2013 11:33:11 Pacific Daylight Time, rich...@karlquist.com writes: The 4815A used P channel FETs which were available 50 years ago and are now unobtainium. The 4193A used N channel FETs which were available 10 to 30 years ago and may even be currently available. They are DEFINITELY NOT INTERCHANGEABLE. This is according to ex-HP'er George Standford, who used to support vector impedance meters with HP's blessing. He held the worlds remaining supply of P channel FETs for fixing probes. He was in New Jersey, but my contact info for him is no longer valid. I don't know how to identify them, but in principle an ohmmeter might be able to identify the polarity of the FETs. While we are on the topic, it turns out that the market is such that a 4193A with probe might sell for $5000, but if you break up the set, the probe is worth $4999 and the instrument is worth $1. Well, maybe I exaggerated that a little, but not much :-) I actually know someone who paid $5000 for just a 4193 probe. He made the mistake of purchasing an instrument without a probe, and paid way too much. It is also worth noting that now you can buy a very nice vector impedance meter from Tomco in Austrailia for only $3000 new. I A/B'ed one of these with an HP one, and I will have to admit that the Tomco is the real deal, not a cheap knockoff. Rick Karlquist N6RK On 2013-10-16 09:15, Tom Knox wrote: I hope this is not to far off topic. Does any one know if the 4193A and 4815A probe are physically interchangeable and electronically compatible? If not does anyone know the differences and how to identify which is which? If you feel this is to far off topic please contact me directly. Thanks very much. Thomas Knox ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP 4193A 4815A probe compatibility?
Thanks Rick; There is so much conflicting information I do not know what to believe anymore. George sounds like the person to talk to. It sounds like an aftermarket probe would be a great way for someone to make a few extra dollars. I like the Tomco option, it looks like a nice instrument. Thanks Again. Thomas Knox Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:16:27 -0700 From: rich...@karlquist.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP 4193A 4815A probe compatibility? The 4815A used P channel FETs which were available 50 years ago and are now unobtainium. The 4193A used N channel FETs which were available 10 to 30 years ago and may even be currently available. They are DEFINITELY NOT INTERCHANGEABLE. This is according to ex-HP'er George Standford, who used to support vector impedance meters with HP's blessing. He held the worlds remaining supply of P channel FETs for fixing probes. He was in New Jersey, but my contact info for him is no longer valid. I don't know how to identify them, but in principle an ohmmeter might be able to identify the polarity of the FETs. While we are on the topic, it turns out that the market is such that a 4193A with probe might sell for $5000, but if you break up the set, the probe is worth $4999 and the instrument is worth $1. Well, maybe I exaggerated that a little, but not much :-) I actually know someone who paid $5000 for just a 4193 probe. He made the mistake of purchasing an instrument without a probe, and paid way too much. It is also worth noting that now you can buy a very nice vector impedance meter from Tomco in Austrailia for only $3000 new. I A/B'ed one of these with an HP one, and I will have to admit that the Tomco is the real deal, not a cheap knockoff. Rick Karlquist N6RK On 2013-10-16 09:15, Tom Knox wrote: I hope this is not to far off topic. Does any one know if the 4193A and 4815A probe are physically interchangeable and electronically compatible? If not does anyone know the differences and how to identify which is which? If you feel this is to far off topic please contact me directly. Thanks very much. Thomas Knox ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP 4193A 4815A probe compatibility?
I agree the 54701A is really a great product. Great point on attenuation, I always forget the 10x attn value changes when not being used on a O-Scope as a voltage probe. Thanks; Thomas Knox From: saidj...@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 15:22:13 -0400 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP 4193A 4815A probe compatibility? Hi Rick, Tom, one little bit of knowledge I learned: I like the HP 54701A FET probes for frequency-domain stuff. Available for $300 on Ebay sometimes. I built a small power supply for one of mine, and use it as a probe for my Spectrum analyzer and scopes. Almost indestructable. It works really well up to about 3GHz and beyond, especially for relative measurements. The only disadvantage is that it has 100K resistance to ground which may affect sensitive capacitive circuits, and that it has 20dB attenuation. Otherwise it works really well for Spectrum analyzer and Network analyzer applications. bye, Said In a message dated 10/16/2013 11:33:11 Pacific Daylight Time, rich...@karlquist.com writes: The 4815A used P channel FETs which were available 50 years ago and are now unobtainium. The 4193A used N channel FETs which were available 10 to 30 years ago and may even be currently available. They are DEFINITELY NOT INTERCHANGEABLE. This is according to ex-HP'er George Standford, who used to support vector impedance meters with HP's blessing. He held the worlds remaining supply of P channel FETs for fixing probes. He was in New Jersey, but my contact info for him is no longer valid. I don't know how to identify them, but in principle an ohmmeter might be able to identify the polarity of the FETs. While we are on the topic, it turns out that the market is such that a 4193A with probe might sell for $5000, but if you break up the set, the probe is worth $4999 and the instrument is worth $1. Well, maybe I exaggerated that a little, but not much :-) I actually know someone who paid $5000 for just a 4193 probe. He made the mistake of purchasing an instrument without a probe, and paid way too much. It is also worth noting that now you can buy a very nice vector impedance meter from Tomco in Austrailia for only $3000 new. I A/B'ed one of these with an HP one, and I will have to admit that the Tomco is the real deal, not a cheap knockoff. Rick Karlquist N6RK On 2013-10-16 09:15, Tom Knox wrote: I hope this is not to far off topic. Does any one know if the 4193A and 4815A probe are physically interchangeable and electronically compatible? If not does anyone know the differences and how to identify which is which? If you feel this is to far off topic please contact me directly. Thanks very much. Thomas Knox ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] NTP REFCLOCK for a Jackson Fury??
Hi, What NTP REFCLOCK can be used for a Jackson Fury? I know that the Jackson Fury docs suggest using: http://www.realhamradio.com/gpscon-info.htm But that means I would have to put up a windows server to replace the FreeBSD ntpd server I built for use w/ the Trimble TB. Looking for open source options, if possible. Thanks, Frank KJ4OLL ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] NTP REFCLOCK for a Jackson Fury??
Frank, try GPSD on Linux: http://gpsd.berlios.de/hardware.html Bye, Said In a message dated 10/16/2013 14:50:19 Pacific Daylight Time, hp_cisco...@yahoo.com writes: Hi, What NTP REFCLOCK can be used for a Jackson Fury? I know that the Jackson Fury docs suggest using: http://www.realhamradio.com/gpscon-info.htm But that means I would have to put up a windows server to replace the FreeBSD ntpd server I built for use w/ the Trimble TB. Looking for open source options, if possible. Thanks, Frank KJ4OLL ___ ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] NTP REFCLOCK for a Jackson Fury??
You can use FreeBSD. I will dig out the refclock I am using with my disciplined soekris. Sent from mobile On Oct 16, 2013, at 4:44 PM, Frank Hughes hp_cisco...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, What NTP REFCLOCK can be used for a Jackson Fury? I know that the Jackson Fury docs suggest using: http://www.realhamradio.com/gpscon-info.htm But that means I would have to put up a windows server to replace the FreeBSD ntpd server I built for use w/ the Trimble TB. Looking for open source options, if possible. Thanks, Frank KJ4OLL ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] NTP REFCLOCK for a Jackson Fury??
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Frank Hughes hp_cisco...@yahoo.com wrote: What NTP REFCLOCK can be used for a Jackson Fury? One normally uses the ATOM driver with PPS. If you need to number your seconds I've heard of a SCPI (hpgps) driver but I suggest using another one of your clocks or any other clock if you have confidence in your network connection. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] NTP REFCLOCK for a Jackson Fury??
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Paul tic-...@bodosom.net wrote: a SCPI (hpgps) driver Sorry, hpgps is the driver/port name but the NTP driver id is GPS_HP. Again, I have no direct experience with it. -- Paul ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] NTP REFCLOCK for a Jackson Fury??
With my Z3801A (which I understand the Fury to be compatible with at SCPI level), I use GPS_HP refclock in ntpd, along with nanokernel PPS. I had to tweak baud rate in the source code. Tim N3QE On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Paul tic-...@bodosom.net wrote: On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Paul tic-...@bodosom.net wrote: a SCPI (hpgps) driver Sorry, hpgps is the driver/port name but the NTP driver id is GPS_HP. Again, I have no direct experience with it. -- Paul ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] NTP REFCLOCK for a Jackson Fury??
I think I used type 20 and 22 with bsd on my soekris. I have had it off for some time because it started to error on boot. Have it apart now trying to figure out what is going on. I suspect a problem with the clock block. Set the fury to output ggtts. Bill Sent from my iPad On Oct 16, 2013, at 4:44 PM, Frank Hughes hp_cisco...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, What NTP REFCLOCK can be used for a Jackson Fury? I know that the Jackson Fury docs suggest using: http://www.realhamradio.com/gpscon-info.htm But that means I would have to put up a windows server to replace the FreeBSD ntpd server I built for use w/ the Trimble TB. Looking for open source options, if possible. Thanks, Frank KJ4OLL ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] NTP REFCLOCK for a Jackson Fury??
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Bill Dailey docdai...@gmail.com wrote: Set the fury to output ggtts Did you mean GPGGA? If the Fury is producing RMC sentences then NMEA+PPS (20+22) should work. Some folks recommend the NMEA PPS option (flag1) but in my experience it's less stable than the stand-alone PPS driver. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] NTP REFCLOCK for a Jackson Fury??
Yes Sent from mobile On Oct 16, 2013, at 8:39 PM, Paul tic-...@bodosom.net wrote: On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Bill Dailey docdai...@gmail.com wrote: Set the fury to output ggtts Did you mean GPGGA? If the Fury is producing RMC sentences then NMEA+PPS (20+22) should work. Some folks recommend the NMEA PPS option (flag1) but in my experience it's less stable than the stand-alone PPS driver. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] Coax cable for volute antenna
I've been searching for the small copper hardline I can use for the feed on the gps volute (egg beater) antenna. Can anyone steer me where to get a foot or so of the small 50 ohm line so I can make a few antennas? I've been searching mouser to no avail. Dave N3DT ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Coax cable for volute antenna
On 10/16/13 8:26 PM, quartz55 wrote: I've been searching for the small copper hardline I can use for the feed on the gps volute (egg beater) antenna. Can anyone steer me where to get a foot or so of the small 50 ohm line so I can make a few antennas? I've been searching mouser to no avail. what size (0.141, 0.085, 0.047 OD)? You probably won't find it at Mouser type places. RF Coax, Pasternak, etc. are better bets. Uniform Tubes might send you a sample. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Coax cable for volute antenna
0.250 is another size UT makes. Might try ebay. John Allen mailto:j...@pcsupportsolutions.com M: 508 361-6229 -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lux Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 12:31 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Coax cable for volute antenna On 10/16/13 8:26 PM, quartz55 wrote: I've been searching for the small copper hardline I can use for the feed on the gps volute (egg beater) antenna. Can anyone steer me where to get a foot or so of the small 50 ohm line so I can make a few antennas? I've been searching mouser to no avail. what size (0.141, 0.085, 0.047 OD)? You probably won't find it at Mouser type places. RF Coax, Pasternak, etc. are better bets. Uniform Tubes might send you a sample. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Coax cable for volute antenna
Go to eBay and search for semi rigid coax If you know the RG designation for the specific size you are looking for, search for that. Mouser and Digikey don't carry. And the people that do will have minimum buys you are unlikely to be able to afford. Look for listings by eBay id: de_w7eme Or contact Jeremy directly (W7EME) and see if he can help you out. --- Graham / KE9H == On 10/16/2013 11:30 PM, Jim Lux wrote: On 10/16/13 8:26 PM, quartz55 wrote: I've been searching for the small copper hardline I can use for the feed on the gps volute (egg beater) antenna. Can anyone steer me where to get a foot or so of the small 50 ohm line so I can make a few antennas? I've been searching mouser to no avail. what size (0.141, 0.085, 0.047 OD)? You probably won't find it at Mouser type places. RF Coax, Pasternak, etc. are better bets. Uniform Tubes might send you a sample. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Coax cable for volute antenna
I wish you had learned to post a new message, rather than replying to a previous message with an unrelated new subject. (screws up threading displays in mail readers) On 10/16/2013 8:26 PM, quartz55 wrote: I've been searching for the small copper hardline I can use for the feed on the gps volute (egg beater) antenna. Can anyone steer me where to get a foot or so of the small 50 ohm line so I can make a few antennas? I've been searching mouser to no avail. Dave N3DT ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
