Re: [time-nuts] HP-58503A

2015-01-02 Thread EB4APL

Hi,

The past week I had to replace more than 30 capacitors in various of my 
home electronics, some were bulged and others not so.
There were 7 in a computer motherboard, 10 in other, 8 in a TV set power 
supply, 2 in an external USB disk power supply and the rest in other 
things, I know the grand total because I kept it together to test a 
cheap EMS meter against a LCR bridge.
In my experience, all bulged capacitors are very ill, high ESR and very 
low capacitance, causing a lot of symptoms to appear (many of them 
intermittent).  And when a capacitor bulges normally some or all of its 
neighbors are bad also, even without any external sign. I check them 
with a bridge and this is confirmed most of the times, so I suggest to 
replace the bulged capacitor and when you are there check or replace the 
others, they will bulge or burst in short time, high ripple currents and 
heat makes electrolytics the less reliable electronic components today.


Best regards,
Ignacio EB4APL


On 02/01/2015 a las 14:34, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) wrote:

On 1 January 2015 at 17:03, Andy Bardagjy andybarda...@gmail.com wrote:

Sounds like the GPS receiver is hosed. I think there are two different 
receivers used in the 58503a, unfortunately I'm away from my lab, otherwise I 
could check mine. It is a standard part, and may be available on the surplus 
market.

Before replacing, I'd check the usual suspects, power supply health (look for 
failed electrolytics) and re-seat the gps board to board connector.

Happy to measure things on my 58503a.

The fact it originally failed with errors indicting the GPS receiver
was not ok (nt Power- OK, OCXO- OK, EFC-OK GPS RCV-err. I, but later
he can't communicate with the 58503A over RS-232, to me indicates the
problem is not likely to be the just (if at all) the GPS receiver.

As you say, power supply is a possible problem.

I have a 58503A here that has a problem. Sometimes when power is first
applied, the Alarm light stays on, and the log show power supply
voltage errors. Yesterday I must have switched the thing on/off about
30 times before I managed to get the Alarm light to stay on. At the
time I had a handheld DVM connected to the +15 V rail with the peak
hold mode enabled. At least according to the handheld DVM, the +15 V
rail was normal, so either the transient is too short for my handheld
DVM to see, or the 85050A is reporting data voltage data incorrectly.
Both are fairly like I suspect.

I noticed a *very* slight bulge at the top of on a 100 uF, 400 V
capacitor on the switch mode power supply.  For various reasons, I am
not going to change that cap now, but obviously a failed cap could
cause this sort of problem.

Dave



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Re: [time-nuts] HP-58503A

2015-01-02 Thread Andy Bardagjy
Sounds like the GPS receiver is hosed. I think there are two different 
receivers used in the 58503a, unfortunately I'm away from my lab, otherwise I 
could check mine. It is a standard part, and may be available on the surplus 
market. 

Before replacing, I'd check the usual suspects, power supply health (look for 
failed electrolytics) and re-seat the gps board to board connector.  

Happy to measure things on my 58503a. 

Andy ◉ Bardagjy.com ◉ +1-404-964-1641

 On Dec 30, 2014, at 12:35 PM, Richard Thorpe kisso...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 This list was recommended to me by the elecraft list.  I have an HP-58503A 
 sat disciplined “clock” that puts out a steady 10MHz to my K3 radio.  Its 
 been working 24/7 for years, I monitor it with David Anderson's Mac GPS 
 Control X software on my iMac. Several days ago error messages showed up 
 i.e.: Health- err, Self Test-err, Int Power- OK, OCXO- OK, EFC-OK GPS 
 RCV-err. Its not tracking any sats and now I cannot event communicate with it 
 at all even with a simple com program.  Is there anyone out therE who can fix 
 these things?  Any suggestions would be appreciated.  Thank you.
 
 Richard Thorpe K6CG
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Re: [time-nuts] Soekris without a GPS receiver.

2015-01-02 Thread David J Taylor

From: Chris Albertson

I think if you re-install any normal OS out of the box it will have the
standard NTP included.  Just get Ubuntu Linux then it will have ntpd
already setup.
Without PPS there is little point in having a GPS.  These questions are
best asked in the NTP mailing list.  http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo
=

Chris, I completely agree with you.  Were it possible to install a normal 
OS easily, I would have done so, but the device only has a CF card slot, and 
there is no secondary boot device, so you end up trying to install the OS on 
the memory stick image you have booted from, and this does not seem to work. 
In any case, nanoBSD is specially designed to minimise writes to the CF 
card, as it lives in RAM and not on disk.  This is done as the number of 
writes to a CF card is limited, and hammering it with all the normal OS 
writes might result in a rather short lifetime.


Agreed on the GPS as well - it's the PPS which is required for precise time 
measurement.


David
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SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk 


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[time-nuts] Frequency Divider Board redux

2015-01-02 Thread David C. Partridge
I've been approached a few times in the recent past asking if I would do a 
re-spin of my frequency divider board.

For details of this please see: 
http://www.perdrix.co.uk/FrequencyDivider/index.html

It isn't viable to do this unless I can get orders for at least 40 and 
preferably more (the last production run was 100 units).

At this stage I'm not requesting orders, but attempting to determine interest 
levels.  If you would be interested in an re-run of these boards (possibly with 
some enhancements), please could you mail me OFF_LIST using the subject 
Frequency Divider and stating the number of boards you would want.  The last 
boards from the previous production run (of 100) were selling at around 
GBP62.50 each EXCLUDING PP. (£75 including PP to anywhere).  Fewer boards 
increases the cost (unfortunately).

My email address is david dot partridge at perdrix dot co dot uk.


Regards,
David Partridge 

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Re: [time-nuts] Soekris without a GPS receiver.

2015-01-02 Thread Bob Camp
Hi

I suspect that there are people on the Soekris list that could help you with an 
image for the box you have. Putting an OS image on it is not trivial, but it’s 
also not rocket science. It’s a bit easier with FreeBSD from the era that the 
box was new.

Bob

 On Jan 2, 2015, at 2:49 AM, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk 
 wrote:
 
 From: Chris Albertson
 
 I think if you re-install any normal OS out of the box it will have the
 standard NTP included.  Just get Ubuntu Linux then it will have ntpd
 already setup.
 Without PPS there is little point in having a GPS.  These questions are
 best asked in the NTP mailing list.  http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo
 =
 
 Chris, I completely agree with you.  Were it possible to install a normal 
 OS easily, I would have done so, but the device only has a CF card slot, and 
 there is no secondary boot device, so you end up trying to install the OS on 
 the memory stick image you have booted from, and this does not seem to work. 
 In any case, nanoBSD is specially designed to minimise writes to the CF card, 
 as it lives in RAM and not on disk.  This is done as the number of writes to 
 a CF card is limited, and hammering it with all the normal OS writes might 
 result in a rather short lifetime.
 
 Agreed on the GPS as well - it's the PPS which is required for precise time 
 measurement.
 
 David
 -- 
 SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements
 Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
 Email: david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk 
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Re: [time-nuts] Soekris without a GPS receiver.

2015-01-02 Thread Hal Murray

david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk said:
 Chris, I completely agree with you.  Were it possible to install a normal
 OS easily, I would have done so, but the device only has a CF card slot, and
  there is no secondary boot device, so you end up trying to install the OS
 on  the memory stick image you have booted from, and this does not seem to
 work.  ...

I think the idea is that you do the install on some other system, using 
something like a USB to CF adapter.


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Re: [time-nuts] HP-58503A

2015-01-02 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 1 January 2015 at 17:03, Andy Bardagjy andybarda...@gmail.com wrote:
 Sounds like the GPS receiver is hosed. I think there are two different 
 receivers used in the 58503a, unfortunately I'm away from my lab, otherwise I 
 could check mine. It is a standard part, and may be available on the surplus 
 market.

 Before replacing, I'd check the usual suspects, power supply health (look for 
 failed electrolytics) and re-seat the gps board to board connector.

 Happy to measure things on my 58503a.

The fact it originally failed with errors indicting the GPS receiver
was not ok (nt Power- OK, OCXO- OK, EFC-OK GPS RCV-err. I, but later
he can't communicate with the 58503A over RS-232, to me indicates the
problem is not likely to be the just (if at all) the GPS receiver.

As you say, power supply is a possible problem.

I have a 58503A here that has a problem. Sometimes when power is first
applied, the Alarm light stays on, and the log show power supply
voltage errors. Yesterday I must have switched the thing on/off about
30 times before I managed to get the Alarm light to stay on. At the
time I had a handheld DVM connected to the +15 V rail with the peak
hold mode enabled. At least according to the handheld DVM, the +15 V
rail was normal, so either the transient is too short for my handheld
DVM to see, or the 85050A is reporting data voltage data incorrectly.
Both are fairly like I suspect.

I noticed a *very* slight bulge at the top of on a 100 uF, 400 V
capacitor on the switch mode power supply.  For various reasons, I am
not going to change that cap now, but obviously a failed cap could
cause this sort of problem.

Dave
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[time-nuts] Frequency doubler 5/10 and distribution amplifier for Lucent KS-24361

2015-01-02 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann

Hi, all,

over the Christmas season, I have designed and built a frequency doubler 
from 5 to 10 MHz and a distribution amplifier for the Lucent KS-24361. A 
preliminary writeup is under


 http://www.hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de/downloads/DoubDist.pdf 

It features  4 or 5   10 MHz 10 dBm outputs and an optional 1PPS on SMA 
with CMOS levels into 50 Ohm.

It is a small board to be mounted inside the KS-24361.

Comments invited.

regards,

Gerhard




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