Re: [time-nuts] Vintage Quartz Crystal Manufacturing

[Cube Central]

I watched this video totally in awe at how much "hands-on" processing was 
required.  I am not sure what I thought before, but I suppose this level of 
work was done for most every technical thing back then.  I really got a huge 
kick out of seeing every step of the process.  I was also in awe of the 
machines that were made specifically for the manufacturing process - the 
testers, the vacuum chamber, the meters, the cold box!  However, I was a bit 
concerned at the somewhat relaxed attitude and working conditions, specifically 
around the X-RAY devices and found myself hoping that they were well shielded!  
I couldn't imagine wearing rings (or nail polish) on my fingers and working 
with oil, water, abrasive grit, soap, etching acid, neutralizer, etc. every day 
and not wearing gloves - my hands would have been wrecked!  I got such a great 
sense of not only how these things were made, but also how the working 
environment must have been.  I couldn't imagine doing any of those tasks for 
more t
 han a month straight before I would go batty.  I have a ton of respect for the 
women and men who hand checked every single sliver of quartz and who tested, 
retested, etched and re-etched thousands of crystals.

Would you please expand more on what controversy you are referencing?  I didn't 
really see anything controversial there, except maybe the working 
conditions/safety hazards!  Maybe I need to watch it again and not be so 
engrossed with the technical and working aspects?

Thanks for your thoughts, and thank you to whomever linked it - I really 
enjoyed it!  Any others I should see?

-Randal R
(at CubeCentral)


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From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bob Camp
Sent: Saturday, 24 September, 2016 09:53
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement 
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Vintage Quartz Crystal Manufacturing

Hi

It’s interesting how much controversy that film stirred up. Literally 30 years 
after it was made, you could get a fairly excited conversation going about it 
at the FCS. 
On one side were the people who felt it was a sweetheart deal to Reves at a 
point that other companies were being prosecuted for “excess profits”. On the 
other side were the guys with Reves badges  and those who believed it did serve 
an honest purpose. 

Bob



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> May find this old video interesting.
> https://youtu.be/Iy23Us3nrX8
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[time-nuts] Lucent RFTFm-II-XO- Lady Heather question-having issues

[Mark Sims]

I forgot to mention that you can also configure Lady Heather by editing the 
heather.cfg file.   You can place the command line options that you want to 
use, one per line, in this file.   The options must start in column 1 and begin 
with a '/' or '-', otherwise they will be considered as comments.  (command 
line options can start with either a '/' or a '-'  whichever you prefer)

The order that command line options are processed are:
   1)  default values hard coded in the program
   2) the default heather.cfg file
   3) the command line (or icon preferences setting).
   4) from the keyboard once Heather starts using the '/' key.

You can also read in a .cfg file from the "R" keyboard menu or the /h= command 
line option.  You should not use /h in a .cfg file since  config files do not 
nest.   
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[time-nuts] Lucent RFTFm-II-XO- Lady Heather question-having issues

[Mark Sims]

Version 4.0 does not work with anything but TSIP (Trimble) type receivers.  The 
next release (v 4.10?) will work with all sorts of receivers.   It will also 
compile for Windows, Linux, and now macOS (aka OS/X)  (using XQuartz as the X11 
server).

If you can compile a Linux C program,  macOS (using XCode command line tools), 
or Windows (using Visual Studio, including the free version),   I can email you 
the latest source code to try.  Contact me off-list.  For Windows, you should 
first install the current 4.0 release to get the WIN VFX dll library and 
makefile.  
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Re: [time-nuts] Lucent RFTFm-II-XO- Lady Heather question-having issues

[Ken Winterling]

Chris,

Your GPSDO has a Bps, stop bit, and parity setting.  That has to match the
COM6 settings.  If you know the default, or current, port setting for the
GPSDO then you need to go into Windows Device Manager and set COM6 to use
the same characteristics.

To check/set the COM6 port characteristics in Device Manager do the
following:
1. Right click on the Start or Windows button, usually in the lower left
corner of the screen.
2. In the list of devices find "ports (COM & LPT)"  and double click it.
3. Double click the COM6 entry.
4. Click on the "Port Settings" tab and you will see the COM6 parameters.
Set them to match the GPSDO and click "OK".

Try LH again and advise what you see.

Ken
WA2LBI


On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 3:36 PM, Chris Waldrup  wrote:

> Fantastic thanks for the help guys!!
> I now have LH seeing com 6.
> Is it possible to check/change the baud rate of LH? When I connect up the
> Lucent box it says "No COM6 serial port data seen".
> I exited LH and opened Hyper terminal and with 9600 baud and COM6 I am
> getting a data stream that stops when I unplug the 422 cable from the
> Lucent box so it looks like the GPSDO is talking to the laptop.
>
> I'm hoping it's just LH is set to another speed.
>
> I pressed spacebar for help but didn't see it as an option.
>
> I also appreciate the information about the first LH icon that comes up
> with TBolt, Seattle. I was curious how on first opening up the program it
> was seeing satellites and plotting signal strength before  I had even
> connected the GPSDO. Now I know.
>
> Chris
> KD4PBJ
> Monteagle TN
>
> > On Sep 24, 2016, at 13:55, Ken Winterling  wrote:
> >
> > Chris,
> >
> > Right click on the Lady Heather icon (not the KE5FX one).  At the bottom
> of
> > the list, click on "Properties".  You will see a number of tabs.  Click
> on
> > the "Shortcut" tab.  In the "Target" text box you should see
> > "C:\Heather\heather.exe" if you installed LH on the C: drive.  If that is
> > the case just add " /6" for COM6, that is a space folowed by /6, to the
> end
> > of the line.  It should oook ike this: C:\Heather\heather.exe /6.  Click
> > 'OK".  Now when you click on the LH icon it will use COM6.
> >
> > I have assumed that your GPSDO and the COM port have the same baud, stop
> > bits(s), and parity.
> >
> > Ken
> > WA2LBI
> >
> >
> >> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Chris Waldrup 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I downloaded the latest version 4.00 beta of lady Heather on my win XP
> >> laptop.
> >> Installation creates two icons on my desktop. One says KE5FX TBolt
> >> (Seattle USA) and has the lady Heather icon and the other has the icon
> and
> >> simply says Lady Heather.
> >> When I try and open the Lady Heather icon (not TBolt one) an error box
> >> pops up and says Can't open com port:\\.\COM1 and will not open the
> >> software. Opening the TBolt version icon instead will open the program.
> >>
> >> What did I do wrong?
> >> Also the RS422 adapter shows up as com6 and I see in the instructions to
> >> change a command line to /6 for com6 but I am not sure where to find the
> >> command line.
> >>
> >> Thank you.
> >>
> >> Chris
> >>
> >>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 00:05, Mark Sims  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Yes.  The device supports a SCPI command set.   The next version of
> Lady
> >> Heather supports it... well at least my modified Z3812A does.
> >>>
> >>> You probably don't need an RS422 converter.   You can cobble an RS-232
> >> connection into the RS-422 port.  This usually works, but some hardware
> >> serial ports have voltage threshold issues reading data from the device
> >> (the RS-422 signals don't swing as much as the RS-232 ones do).  All my
> >> USB-serial dongles work well, but I have had some issues with genuine
> >> hardware serial ports.
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
>  If I build or buy a 422 to 232 converter can I expect to be able to
> >> view the unit's data output with something like Lady Heather or
> Tboltmon?
> >> Or at least see an output with Hyperterminal?
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Re: [time-nuts] Lucent RFTFm-II-XO- Lady Heather question-having issues

[Chris Waldrup]

Fantastic thanks for the help guys!!
I now have LH seeing com 6. 
Is it possible to check/change the baud rate of LH? When I connect up the 
Lucent box it says "No COM6 serial port data seen".
I exited LH and opened Hyper terminal and with 9600 baud and COM6 I am getting 
a data stream that stops when I unplug the 422 cable from the Lucent box so it 
looks like the GPSDO is talking to the laptop. 

I'm hoping it's just LH is set to another speed. 

I pressed spacebar for help but didn't see it as an option. 

I also appreciate the information about the first LH icon that comes up with 
TBolt, Seattle. I was curious how on first opening up the program it was seeing 
satellites and plotting signal strength before  I had even connected the GPSDO. 
Now I know. 

Chris
KD4PBJ
Monteagle TN

> On Sep 24, 2016, at 13:55, Ken Winterling  wrote:
> 
> Chris,
> 
> Right click on the Lady Heather icon (not the KE5FX one).  At the bottom of
> the list, click on "Properties".  You will see a number of tabs.  Click on
> the "Shortcut" tab.  In the "Target" text box you should see
> "C:\Heather\heather.exe" if you installed LH on the C: drive.  If that is
> the case just add " /6" for COM6, that is a space folowed by /6, to the end
> of the line.  It should oook ike this: C:\Heather\heather.exe /6.  Click
> 'OK".  Now when you click on the LH icon it will use COM6.
> 
> I have assumed that your GPSDO and the COM port have the same baud, stop
> bits(s), and parity.
> 
> Ken
> WA2LBI
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Chris Waldrup  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I downloaded the latest version 4.00 beta of lady Heather on my win XP
>> laptop.
>> Installation creates two icons on my desktop. One says KE5FX TBolt
>> (Seattle USA) and has the lady Heather icon and the other has the icon and
>> simply says Lady Heather.
>> When I try and open the Lady Heather icon (not TBolt one) an error box
>> pops up and says Can't open com port:\\.\COM1 and will not open the
>> software. Opening the TBolt version icon instead will open the program.
>> 
>> What did I do wrong?
>> Also the RS422 adapter shows up as com6 and I see in the instructions to
>> change a command line to /6 for com6 but I am not sure where to find the
>> command line.
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 00:05, Mark Sims  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes.  The device supports a SCPI command set.   The next version of Lady
>> Heather supports it... well at least my modified Z3812A does.
>>> 
>>> You probably don't need an RS422 converter.   You can cobble an RS-232
>> connection into the RS-422 port.  This usually works, but some hardware
>> serial ports have voltage threshold issues reading data from the device
>> (the RS-422 signals don't swing as much as the RS-232 ones do).  All my
>> USB-serial dongles work well, but I have had some issues with genuine
>> hardware serial ports.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 If I build or buy a 422 to 232 converter can I expect to be able to
>> view the unit's data output with something like Lady Heather or Tboltmon?
>> Or at least see an output with Hyperterminal?
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Re: [time-nuts] Lucent RFTFm-II-XO- Lady Heather question-having issues

[Ken Winterling]

Chris,

Right click on the Lady Heather icon (not the KE5FX one).  At the bottom of
the list, click on "Properties".  You will see a number of tabs.  Click on
the "Shortcut" tab.  In the "Target" text box you should see
"C:\Heather\heather.exe" if you installed LH on the C: drive.  If that is
the case just add " /6" for COM6, that is a space folowed by /6, to the end
of the line.  It should oook ike this: C:\Heather\heather.exe /6.  Click
'OK".  Now when you click on the LH icon it will use COM6.

I have assumed that your GPSDO and the COM port have the same baud, stop
bits(s), and parity.

Ken
WA2LBI


On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Chris Waldrup  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I downloaded the latest version 4.00 beta of lady Heather on my win XP
> laptop.
> Installation creates two icons on my desktop. One says KE5FX TBolt
> (Seattle USA) and has the lady Heather icon and the other has the icon and
> simply says Lady Heather.
> When I try and open the Lady Heather icon (not TBolt one) an error box
> pops up and says Can't open com port:\\.\COM1 and will not open the
> software. Opening the TBolt version icon instead will open the program.
>
> What did I do wrong?
> Also the RS422 adapter shows up as com6 and I see in the instructions to
> change a command line to /6 for com6 but I am not sure where to find the
> command line.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Chris
>
> > On Sep 14, 2016, at 00:05, Mark Sims  wrote:
> >
> > Yes.  The device supports a SCPI command set.   The next version of Lady
> Heather supports it... well at least my modified Z3812A does.
> >
> > You probably don't need an RS422 converter.   You can cobble an RS-232
> connection into the RS-422 port.  This usually works, but some hardware
> serial ports have voltage threshold issues reading data from the device
> (the RS-422 signals don't swing as much as the RS-232 ones do).  All my
> USB-serial dongles work well, but I have had some issues with genuine
> hardware serial ports.
> >
> > 
> >
> >> If I build or buy a 422 to 232 converter can I expect to be able to
> view the unit's data output with something like Lady Heather or Tboltmon?
> Or at least see an output with Hyperterminal?
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Re: [time-nuts] Lucent RFTFm-II-XO- Lady Heather question-having issues

[Bob Camp]

Hi

In Windows, the icon on the desktop has a set of properties. One of those is 
the command that clicking the 
icon executes. Adding the appropriate com info there will get it headed to the 
correct port.

Bob


> On Sep 24, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Chris Waldrup  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I downloaded the latest version 4.00 beta of lady Heather on my win XP 
> laptop. 
> Installation creates two icons on my desktop. One says KE5FX TBolt (Seattle 
> USA) and has the lady Heather icon and the other has the icon and simply says 
> Lady Heather. 
> When I try and open the Lady Heather icon (not TBolt one) an error box pops 
> up and says Can't open com port:\\.\COM1 and will not open the software. 
> Opening the TBolt version icon instead will open the program. 
> 
> What did I do wrong?
> Also the RS422 adapter shows up as com6 and I see in the instructions to 
> change a command line to /6 for com6 but I am not sure where to find the 
> command line.
> 
> Thank you. 
> 
> Chris
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 00:05, Mark Sims  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes.  The device supports a SCPI command set.   The next version of Lady 
>> Heather supports it... well at least my modified Z3812A does.
>> 
>> You probably don't need an RS422 converter.   You can cobble an RS-232 
>> connection into the RS-422 port.  This usually works, but some hardware 
>> serial ports have voltage threshold issues reading data from the device (the 
>> RS-422 signals don't swing as much as the RS-232 ones do).  All my 
>> USB-serial dongles work well, but I have had some issues with genuine 
>> hardware serial ports.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> If I build or buy a 422 to 232 converter can I expect to be able to view 
>>> the unit's data output with something like Lady Heather or Tboltmon? Or at 
>>> least see an output with Hyperterminal?
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Re: [time-nuts] Lucent RFTFm-II-XO- Lady Heather question-having issues

[Chris Waldrup]

Hi,

I downloaded the latest version 4.00 beta of lady Heather on my win XP laptop. 
Installation creates two icons on my desktop. One says KE5FX TBolt (Seattle 
USA) and has the lady Heather icon and the other has the icon and simply says 
Lady Heather. 
When I try and open the Lady Heather icon (not TBolt one) an error box pops up 
and says Can't open com port:\\.\COM1 and will not open the software. Opening 
the TBolt version icon instead will open the program. 

What did I do wrong?
Also the RS422 adapter shows up as com6 and I see in the instructions to change 
a command line to /6 for com6 but I am not sure where to find the command line.

Thank you. 

Chris

> On Sep 14, 2016, at 00:05, Mark Sims  wrote:
> 
> Yes.  The device supports a SCPI command set.   The next version of Lady 
> Heather supports it... well at least my modified Z3812A does.
> 
> You probably don't need an RS422 converter.   You can cobble an RS-232 
> connection into the RS-422 port.  This usually works, but some hardware 
> serial ports have voltage threshold issues reading data from the device (the 
> RS-422 signals don't swing as much as the RS-232 ones do).  All my USB-serial 
> dongles work well, but I have had some issues with genuine hardware serial 
> ports.
> 
> 
> 
>> If I build or buy a 422 to 232 converter can I expect to be able to view the 
>> unit's data output with something like Lady Heather or Tboltmon? Or at least 
>> see an output with Hyperterminal?
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Re: [time-nuts] Lucent RFTFm-II-XO

[Chris Waldrup]

I also wanted to mention that I can't get the Lucent to communicate at all with 
the TBoltMon program so that's why I decided to try LadyHeather. 
I do hope I connected the cable pins right, I connected Lucent RS 422 TX pins 
to the USB to 422 adapters RX pins and the Lucent 422 RX pins to the adapters 
TX pins. 

Chris 

> On Sep 14, 2016, at 00:05, Mark Sims  wrote:
> 
> Yes.  The device supports a SCPI command set.   The next version of Lady 
> Heather supports it... well at least my modified Z3812A does.
> 
> You probably don't need an RS422 converter.   You can cobble an RS-232 
> connection into the RS-422 port.  This usually works, but some hardware 
> serial ports have voltage threshold issues reading data from the device (the 
> RS-422 signals don't swing as much as the RS-232 ones do).  All my USB-serial 
> dongles work well, but I have had some issues with genuine hardware serial 
> ports.
> 
> 
> 
>> If I build or buy a 422 to 232 converter can I expect to be able to view the 
>> unit's data output with something like Lady Heather or Tboltmon? Or at least 
>> see an output with Hyperterminal?
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Re: [time-nuts] Vintage Quartz Crystal Manufacturing

[Bob Camp]

Hi

It’s interesting how much controversy that film stirred up. Literally 30 years 
after
it was made, you could get a fairly excited conversation going about it at the 
FCS. 
On one side were the people who felt it was a sweetheart deal to Reves at a 
point that
other companies were being prosecuted for “excess profits”. On the other side 
were
the guys with Reves badges  and those who believed it did serve an honest 
purpose. 

Bob



> On Sep 24, 2016, at 6:04 AM, Bryan _  wrote:
> 
> May find this old video interesting.
> https://youtu.be/Iy23Us3nrX8
> 
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Re: [time-nuts] Vintage Quartz Crystal Manufacturing

[Poul-Henning Kamp]

In message , Bryan _ writes:

>May find this old video interesting.
>https://youtu.be/Iy23Us3nrX8

There are some very informative articles about quartz crystals in
Bell Systems Technical Journal (on archive.org for instance)

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[time-nuts] Vintage Quartz Crystal Manufacturing

[Bryan _]

May find this old video interesting.
https://youtu.be/Iy23Us3nrX8

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