Re: [time-nuts] OT: Eagle PC CAD now Autodesk, $500/year

[Richard (Rick) Karlquist]

I downloaded the following:

eagle-win64.exe
eagle-win64-7.7.0.exe
eagle-win64-7.7.0.exe.INF

What is the difference between these files in terms of installing this 
version?  Which file do I run?  Do I need the other ones to go along

with it?

(Similarly, for LINUX, there is the same set of files, except
substitute "run" for "exe")

Rick N6RK
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Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz to 25MHz

[Charles Steinmetz]

Bob wrote:


That gets me to a quick intro to the episode and a link to watch the whole 
thing. The watch
the whole thing link sends me off to another episode entirely


Huh.  Worked fine for me, originally and just now.

Charles


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Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz to 25MHz

[jimlux]

On 1/21/17 11:52 AM, Charles Steinmetz wrote:

jimlux wrote:


I forgot to watch (actually, I knew it was today, but I thought
it would be on this afternoon, not at 7AM)..

(and, I'll get a call from management on Monday.. uh, Jim, about that
interview)


LOL

Try this:



eventually it will be up there..
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Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz to 25MHz

[Artek Manuals]

Dont know about this one  but I know from some other venues that it can 
take a day or two for an episode that was aired this morning to actually 
show up the link may bew pointing to last weeks show still ...Try again 
on Monday or Tuesday



Dave




On 1/21/2017 5:00 PM, Bob Camp wrote:

Hi



On Jan 21, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Charles Steinmetz  wrote:

jimlux wrote:


I forgot to watch (actually, I knew it was today, but I thought
it would be on this afternoon, not at 7AM)..

(and, I'll get a call from management on Monday.. uh, Jim, about that
interview)

LOL

Try this: 


That gets me to a quick intro to the episode and a link to watch the whole 
thing. The watch
the whole thing link sends me off to another episode entirely :(

Bob


Best regards,

Charles


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Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz to 25MHz

[Charles Steinmetz]

jimlux wrote:


I forgot to watch (actually, I knew it was today, but I thought
it would be on this afternoon, not at 7AM)..

(and, I'll get a call from management on Monday.. uh, Jim, about that
interview)


LOL

Try this: 



Best regards,

Charles


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Re: [time-nuts] OT: Eagle PC CAD now Autodesk, $500/year

[EB4APL]

Graham,

Thank you for your tip.

Regards,

Ignacio, EB4APL


El 21/01/2017 a las 17:26, Graham / KE9H escribió:

Your existing Eagle license should allow you to run your existing version
indefinitely.
I think it would be useful for a few years or so.

I also think your existing license also allows you to run one copy on Mac,
Linux or Windows.
So, if you are on Windows 7 and think you might want to migrate to Linux or
Mac,
go download a copy of the other installers NOW.

They have pulled down the Version 7.7 and all earlier version archive
access on the main
Eagle and AutoCad site, but the cadsoft ftp server is still up and
serving.  I don't expect
AutoCad to allow that to happen for much longer.

ftp://ftp.cadsoft.de/eagle/ 
ftp://ftp.cadsoft.de/eagle/program/7.7/

Running real slow, (overloaded?) so be patient.

The biggest issue with migrating to KiCad for me is walking away from ten
years of
"trusted" parts footprints.  Hopefully an Eagle to KiCad footprint
translator would
become available.

I don't do enough hobby and incidental work to justify the $500 per year
that it would
take to replace my previous $125 every three years or so "Non-profit"
license.

--- Graham

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Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz to 25MHz

[Bob Camp]

Hi


> On Jan 21, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Charles Steinmetz  wrote:
> 
> jimlux wrote:
> 
>> I forgot to watch (actually, I knew it was today, but I thought
>> it would be on this afternoon, not at 7AM)..
>> 
>> (and, I'll get a call from management on Monday.. uh, Jim, about that
>> interview)
> 
> LOL
> 
> Try this: 
> 

That gets me to a quick intro to the episode and a link to watch the whole 
thing. The watch
the whole thing link sends me off to another episode entirely :(

Bob

> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Charles
> 
> 
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Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz to 25MHz

[Bob Camp]

Hi

So what we are all now scrambling to find a copy of is season 3, episode 62 
originally aired 1/21/2017 of Innovation Nation. 

Bob

> On Jan 21, 2017, at 2:09 PM, jimlux  wrote:
> 
> On 1/21/17 10:24 AM, steve heidmann via time-nuts wrote:
>> WoW . I don't know if I'm the first nut to see this but it was probably our 
>> own Jim Lux I just saw on CBS's Innovation Nation
> 
> It was.. I forgot to watch (actually, I knew it was today, but I thought it 
> would be on this afternoon, not at 7AM)..
> 
> I hope it came out ok.  You film these things months and months ago, and they 
> edit A LOT...
> 
> For all I know, it came out as "Jim believes that aliens built the pyramids 
> to prevent global warming, and when Napoleon's army started shooting 
> artillery at them, it was the beginning of the end"
> 
> (and, I'll get a call from management on Monday.. uh, Jim, about that 
> interview)
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Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz to 25MHz

[jimlux]

On 1/21/17 10:24 AM, steve heidmann via time-nuts wrote:

WoW . I don't know if I'm the first nut to see this but it was probably our own 
Jim Lux I just saw on CBS's Innovation Nation


It was.. I forgot to watch (actually, I knew it was today, but I thought 
it would be on this afternoon, not at 7AM)..


I hope it came out ok.  You film these things months and months ago, and 
they edit A LOT...


For all I know, it came out as "Jim believes that aliens built the 
pyramids to prevent global warming, and when Napoleon's army started 
shooting artillery at them, it was the beginning of the end"


(and, I'll get a call from management on Monday.. uh, Jim, about that 
interview)


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Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz to 25MHz

[steve heidmann via time-nuts]

WoW . I don't know if I'm the first nut to see this but it was probably our own 
Jim Lux I just saw on CBS's Innovation Nation

On Sat, 1/21/17, jimlux  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz to 25MHz
 To: time-nuts@febo.com
 Date: Saturday, January 21, 2017, 7:25 AM
 
 On 1/20/17 7:10 PM, Bob
 Camp wrote:
 > Hi
 >
 > There are several other materials that you
 can make crystal resonators out of that
 >
 are piezo electric. Some of them can give you much higher Q.
 This comes with a whole
 > raft of other
 issues. Langesite is one of the more common materials you
 see people
 > playing with. It is common
 enough that I’ve actually played with it myself.  The
 simple
 >  answer is that when you look
 at cost, Q, and stability (aging, ADEV, temperature) —
 > it is tough to beat quartz. If you have a
 few hundred thousand dollars, you can play
 > with great big chunks of Sapphire. Toss in
 a bit of this and a bit of that and you can get a
 > pretty amazing oscillator. That device may
 (or may not) be < $1,000,000 depending
 > on how you do the accounting and how many
 parts you spread the costs over.
 
 
 would not a true time nut grow
 their own sapphire?
 
 Realistically, isn't it all about the
 crystal lattice.. SiO2 vs Al2O3 vs 
 Lanthanum Gallium Silicate vs Lithium
 Niobate
 
 WHat makes a
 "good" material?  I would think the ability to
 grow a very 
 uniform crystal is part of it,
 but are certain crystal forms better than 
 others?
 
 
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[time-nuts] Plug -- source for soldering equipment

[John Ackermann N8UR]

Since quite a few of the folks on the list love the smell of solder in 
the morning, I thought I'd pass along a supplier of new and refurbished 
soldering stuff that I've had really good luck with:

Bruce Sander at EAE Sales -- https://www.eaesales.com/ in Grabill, Indiana.

I encountered EAE a long time ago at the Dayton Hamvention flea market 
and over the years have bought a couple of Weller soldering stations, 
pencils, tips and accessories from them and been very happy.


I was prompted to write this note because last week Bruce really helped 
me out with a "we trust you" swap for a failed set of heated tweezers. 
I don't have any relationship with EAE other than as a satisfied customer.


John
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Re: [time-nuts] HP 55300A Date Problem

[Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)]

On 21 January 2017 at 17:29, Gary Neilson  wrote:

> I have a HP 55300A Telecom Primary Reference Standard that I am using as a
> frequency reference (10 mhz) in my lab.
>

I suppose this is one of those open-ended questions, but what the
definition of a "Primary Reference"?  It seems a rather presumptuous name
to attach to a GPS frequency source. When I google the part number, I
actually get " *55300A* GPS Telecom Primary. Reference Source" but it still
have the "primary reference" name in there.

Dave
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[time-nuts] HP 55300A Date Problem

[Gary Neilson]

I have a HP 55300A Telecom Primary Reference Standard that I am using as 
a frequency reference (10 mhz) in my lab.


The unit work well and outputs 10mhz, 1pps, IRIG-B, as well as other 
telecom frequencies all work ok.


The unit has a problem with the Date received from the GPS. After it 
starts acquiring satellites it sets the date as June 6, 1997.


The date does increment each day. This seems to me like a firmware bug. 
My unit has firmware version 3704-D.


From the documentation there are later versions of the firmware to fix 
Y2K bugs which apparently this unit needs.


Anyone know of firmware available for this unit ?


Thanks

Gary - K5DSR

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Re: [time-nuts] OT: Eagle PC CAD now Autodesk, $500/year

[Graham / KE9H]

Your existing Eagle license should allow you to run your existing version
indefinitely.
I think it would be useful for a few years or so.

I also think your existing license also allows you to run one copy on Mac,
Linux or Windows.
So, if you are on Windows 7 and think you might want to migrate to Linux or
Mac,
go download a copy of the other installers NOW.

They have pulled down the Version 7.7 and all earlier version archive
access on the main
Eagle and AutoCad site, but the cadsoft ftp server is still up and
serving.  I don't expect
AutoCad to allow that to happen for much longer.

ftp://ftp.cadsoft.de/eagle/ 
ftp://ftp.cadsoft.de/eagle/program/7.7/

Running real slow, (overloaded?) so be patient.

The biggest issue with migrating to KiCad for me is walking away from ten
years of
"trusted" parts footprints.  Hopefully an Eagle to KiCad footprint
translator would
become available.

I don't do enough hobby and incidental work to justify the $500 per year
that it would
take to replace my previous $125 every three years or so "Non-profit"
license.

--- Graham

==

On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 8:43 AM, paul swed  wrote:

> What can I add to this thats not been said.
> This is how software is moving and it did start with Autodesk who sacked
> there original license model for the subscription approach and is making a
> ton of money that way. Its annuity. A gift that keeps on giving. Meanwhile
> they add bloat-ware for the sake of trying to appear to add some value
> I can go on but as all of you have observed it is what it is. Sitting back
> and griping will not change it. Its a major corporate direction change
> especially if a company was acquired. Its really not going to change. When
> a company is acquired what ever had been stated positions no longer matter.
> Its not the same company any longer, just the same name.
> So exploring alternates as you are all doing is great and helpful.
> Regards
> Paul
> WB8TSL
>
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 4:42 PM, Bob Camp  wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> >
> > > On Jan 20, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Chris Albertson <
> albertson.ch...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > It could be what they are doing is purposely trying to "blow off"
> > > their less desirable customers.
> > >
> > > I explained this to someone I know who was upset at a large bank she
> > > deals with.  She said she would move "all her money out of the bank"
> > > all $5,000 of it.I explain to her that was EXACTLY what the bank
> > > wanted and the reason for the policies she experienced.   Small
> > > customers with $5K deposits are not profitable.So Autodesk is
> > > selling subscriptions for $500 and offering "one on one" sport.
> >
> > The last time they played this game they found that reducing the
> > subscriber base 1000:1
> > at $500 a year was not as good as 10:1 at $50 a year.  That’s why I
> > suggest that people
> > wait a bit and see what happens over the next few months. Eagle does not
> > have what it takes
> > to compete as a PCB program for the big guys. There is no great big block
> > of licenses at the Fortune
> > 500 to milk in this case. The user base is large. It is made up of the
> > small, price sensitive guys. Each
> > time the Eagle license stuff has been fiddled in the past, it’s been a
> > disaster because of that.
> >
> > The Eagle “per customer” cost is nearly zero ( unlike a bank ). It’s
> > really all about how much money they
> > bring in each year. Their costs scale more on a per bug …. errr … per
> > feature basis rather
> > than by the customer (at least for the hobby customer). They will charge
> > what they can as long as
> > people keep signing up. If nobody signs up … they will adjust.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > >
> > > Apple has a neat business model too.   They have like about 18% of the
> > > world's cellphone market but make the MAJORITY of the profit.  What
> > > they do is take the one in five most profitable customers.
> > >
> > > Maybe Autodesk is looking to do the same thing, take only the most
> > > rich customers and let the others go elsewhere.
> > >
> > > In the end nicad might be the best for the hobby market.
> > >
> > > Autodesk is looking to offer the integrated solution where the PCB and
> > > case that it lives in are designed together by a team that is
> > > geographically distributed.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 8:58 AM, Bob Camp  wrote:
> > >> Hi
> > >>
> > >> I completely agree that their spin at acquisition and the reality of
> > what just came out
> > >> is completely amazing. They said they would never do this and that.
> > What they are doing
> > >> is exactly what they said they would not do.
> > >>
> > >> It’s a rare board that I do in < 4 layers. It’s also quite normal to
> > have designs above
> > >> 160 CM^2. If I have 4 layers, there *will* be signals on all those
> > layers. That puts me
> > >> squarely in the $500 / yr subscription. A month ago that 

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz to 25MHz

[Bob Camp]

Hi



> On Jan 21, 2017, at 10:25 AM, jimlux  wrote:
> 
> On 1/20/17 7:10 PM, Bob Camp wrote:
>> Hi
>> 
>> There are several other materials that you can make crystal resonators out 
>> of that
>> are piezo electric. Some of them can give you much higher Q. This comes with 
>> a whole
>> raft of other issues. Langesite is one of the more common materials you see 
>> people
>> playing with. It is common enough that I’ve actually played with it myself.  
>> The simple
>> answer is that when you look at cost, Q, and stability (aging, ADEV, 
>> temperature) —
>> it is tough to beat quartz. If you have a few hundred thousand dollars, you 
>> can play
>> with great big chunks of Sapphire. Toss in a bit of this and a bit of that 
>> and you can get a
>> pretty amazing oscillator. That device may (or may not) be < $1,000,000 
>> depending
>> on how you do the accounting and how many parts you spread the costs over.
> 
> 
> would not a true time nut grow their own sapphire?

Or at the very least spend some quality time digging a 100 lb lump up out 
of the Australian outback ….

> 
> Realistically, isn't it all about the crystal lattice.. SiO2 vs Al2O3 vs 
> Lanthanum Gallium Silicate vs Lithium Niobate
> 
> WHat makes a "good" material?  I would think the ability to grow a very 
> uniform crystal is part of it, but are certain crystal forms better than 
> others?

Indeed you need a “well grown” crystal and figuring out how to grow 
them without adding a bunch of stress, contamination, and imperfections
in the lattice is a very big deal. Past that, for Q you get into the acoustic 
loss properties of the material. Some materials are less lossy than others. 
It is no different than picking a microwave dielectric in that regard. Some 
of the fun and games involved is measuring the acoustic properties of
all these materials. 

Bob

> 
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Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz to 25MHz

[jimlux]

On 1/20/17 7:10 PM, Bob Camp wrote:

Hi

There are several other materials that you can make crystal resonators out of 
that
are piezo electric. Some of them can give you much higher Q. This comes with a 
whole
raft of other issues. Langesite is one of the more common materials you see 
people
playing with. It is common enough that I’ve actually played with it myself.  
The simple
 answer is that when you look at cost, Q, and stability (aging, ADEV, 
temperature) —
it is tough to beat quartz. If you have a few hundred thousand dollars, you can 
play
with great big chunks of Sapphire. Toss in a bit of this and a bit of that and 
you can get a
pretty amazing oscillator. That device may (or may not) be < $1,000,000 
depending
on how you do the accounting and how many parts you spread the costs over.



would not a true time nut grow their own sapphire?

Realistically, isn't it all about the crystal lattice.. SiO2 vs Al2O3 vs 
Lanthanum Gallium Silicate vs Lithium Niobate


WHat makes a "good" material?  I would think the ability to grow a very 
uniform crystal is part of it, but are certain crystal forms better than 
others?



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Re: [time-nuts] OT: Eagle PC CAD now Autodesk, $500/year

[Bob Camp]

Hi

The interesting point about “who said what” is that Autodesk people stated
*after* the acquisition that the Eagle  license model would not change … 
That’s one of the reasons I’d like to wait a bit and see what those same 
people say now.

Bob

> On Jan 21, 2017, at 9:43 AM, paul swed  wrote:
> 
> What can I add to this thats not been said.
> This is how software is moving and it did start with Autodesk who sacked
> there original license model for the subscription approach and is making a
> ton of money that way. Its annuity. A gift that keeps on giving. Meanwhile
> they add bloat-ware for the sake of trying to appear to add some value
> I can go on but as all of you have observed it is what it is. Sitting back
> and griping will not change it. Its a major corporate direction change
> especially if a company was acquired. Its really not going to change. When
> a company is acquired what ever had been stated positions no longer matter.
> Its not the same company any longer, just the same name.
> So exploring alternates as you are all doing is great and helpful.
> Regards
> Paul
> WB8TSL
> 
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 4:42 PM, Bob Camp  wrote:
> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 20, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Chris Albertson 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It could be what they are doing is purposely trying to "blow off"
>>> their less desirable customers.
>>> 
>>> I explained this to someone I know who was upset at a large bank she
>>> deals with.  She said she would move "all her money out of the bank"
>>> all $5,000 of it.I explain to her that was EXACTLY what the bank
>>> wanted and the reason for the policies she experienced.   Small
>>> customers with $5K deposits are not profitable.So Autodesk is
>>> selling subscriptions for $500 and offering "one on one" sport.
>> 
>> The last time they played this game they found that reducing the
>> subscriber base 1000:1
>> at $500 a year was not as good as 10:1 at $50 a year.  That’s why I
>> suggest that people
>> wait a bit and see what happens over the next few months. Eagle does not
>> have what it takes
>> to compete as a PCB program for the big guys. There is no great big block
>> of licenses at the Fortune
>> 500 to milk in this case. The user base is large. It is made up of the
>> small, price sensitive guys. Each
>> time the Eagle license stuff has been fiddled in the past, it’s been a
>> disaster because of that.
>> 
>> The Eagle “per customer” cost is nearly zero ( unlike a bank ). It’s
>> really all about how much money they
>> bring in each year. Their costs scale more on a per bug …. errr … per
>> feature basis rather
>> than by the customer (at least for the hobby customer). They will charge
>> what they can as long as
>> people keep signing up. If nobody signs up … they will adjust.
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>>> 
>>> Apple has a neat business model too.   They have like about 18% of the
>>> world's cellphone market but make the MAJORITY of the profit.  What
>>> they do is take the one in five most profitable customers.
>>> 
>>> Maybe Autodesk is looking to do the same thing, take only the most
>>> rich customers and let the others go elsewhere.
>>> 
>>> In the end nicad might be the best for the hobby market.
>>> 
>>> Autodesk is looking to offer the integrated solution where the PCB and
>>> case that it lives in are designed together by a team that is
>>> geographically distributed.
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 8:58 AM, Bob Camp  wrote:
 Hi
 
 I completely agree that their spin at acquisition and the reality of
>> what just came out
 is completely amazing. They said they would never do this and that.
>> What they are doing
 is exactly what they said they would not do.
 
 It’s a rare board that I do in < 4 layers. It’s also quite normal to
>> have designs above
 160 CM^2. If I have 4 layers, there *will* be signals on all those
>> layers. That puts me
 squarely in the $500 / yr subscription. A month ago that put me in a
>> perpetual license
 that I paid < 1/2 that for.
 
 It is not just that the cost has gone up. A number of license
>> “categories” have vanished.
 The free version is still there, and just as useless for what I do.
>> That’s about the only
 one that is rational at this point.
 
 So yes, I’m at least as bothered by this as anybody else. What I would
>> suggest is to
 take a deep breath, sit back, yell at them a bit (along with everybody
>> else that has
 a license) and see what they do. It is abundantly clear that they have
>> a major disconnect
 between this and what they have said. There is a lot of explaining for
>> them to do. Part of that
 could easily be another couple license categories. I’m certainly in no
>> hurry to switch
 packages.
 
 Right now Fusion 360 is something I use a LOT  more than I use Eagle.
>> This week (month .. year)
 it is free for me to do that. Why 

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Eagle PC CAD now Autodesk, $500/year

[paul swed]

What can I add to this thats not been said.
This is how software is moving and it did start with Autodesk who sacked
there original license model for the subscription approach and is making a
ton of money that way. Its annuity. A gift that keeps on giving. Meanwhile
they add bloat-ware for the sake of trying to appear to add some value
I can go on but as all of you have observed it is what it is. Sitting back
and griping will not change it. Its a major corporate direction change
especially if a company was acquired. Its really not going to change. When
a company is acquired what ever had been stated positions no longer matter.
Its not the same company any longer, just the same name.
So exploring alternates as you are all doing is great and helpful.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 4:42 PM, Bob Camp  wrote:

> Hi
>
>
> > On Jan 20, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Chris Albertson 
> wrote:
> >
> > It could be what they are doing is purposely trying to "blow off"
> > their less desirable customers.
> >
> > I explained this to someone I know who was upset at a large bank she
> > deals with.  She said she would move "all her money out of the bank"
> > all $5,000 of it.I explain to her that was EXACTLY what the bank
> > wanted and the reason for the policies she experienced.   Small
> > customers with $5K deposits are not profitable.So Autodesk is
> > selling subscriptions for $500 and offering "one on one" sport.
>
> The last time they played this game they found that reducing the
> subscriber base 1000:1
> at $500 a year was not as good as 10:1 at $50 a year.  That’s why I
> suggest that people
> wait a bit and see what happens over the next few months. Eagle does not
> have what it takes
> to compete as a PCB program for the big guys. There is no great big block
> of licenses at the Fortune
> 500 to milk in this case. The user base is large. It is made up of the
> small, price sensitive guys. Each
> time the Eagle license stuff has been fiddled in the past, it’s been a
> disaster because of that.
>
> The Eagle “per customer” cost is nearly zero ( unlike a bank ). It’s
> really all about how much money they
> bring in each year. Their costs scale more on a per bug …. errr … per
> feature basis rather
> than by the customer (at least for the hobby customer). They will charge
> what they can as long as
> people keep signing up. If nobody signs up … they will adjust.
>
> Bob
>
> >
> > Apple has a neat business model too.   They have like about 18% of the
> > world's cellphone market but make the MAJORITY of the profit.  What
> > they do is take the one in five most profitable customers.
> >
> > Maybe Autodesk is looking to do the same thing, take only the most
> > rich customers and let the others go elsewhere.
> >
> > In the end nicad might be the best for the hobby market.
> >
> > Autodesk is looking to offer the integrated solution where the PCB and
> > case that it lives in are designed together by a team that is
> > geographically distributed.
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 8:58 AM, Bob Camp  wrote:
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> I completely agree that their spin at acquisition and the reality of
> what just came out
> >> is completely amazing. They said they would never do this and that.
> What they are doing
> >> is exactly what they said they would not do.
> >>
> >> It’s a rare board that I do in < 4 layers. It’s also quite normal to
> have designs above
> >> 160 CM^2. If I have 4 layers, there *will* be signals on all those
> layers. That puts me
> >> squarely in the $500 / yr subscription. A month ago that put me in a
> perpetual license
> >> that I paid < 1/2 that for.
> >>
> >> It is not just that the cost has gone up. A number of license
> “categories” have vanished.
> >> The free version is still there, and just as useless for what I do.
> That’s about the only
> >> one that is rational at this point.
> >>
> >> So yes, I’m at least as bothered by this as anybody else. What I would
> suggest is to
> >> take a deep breath, sit back, yell at them a bit (along with everybody
> else that has
> >> a license) and see what they do. It is abundantly clear that they have
> a major disconnect
> >> between this and what they have said. There is a lot of explaining for
> them to do. Part of that
> >> could easily be another couple license categories. I’m certainly in no
> hurry to switch
> >> packages.
> >>
> >> Right now Fusion 360 is something I use a LOT  more than I use Eagle.
> This week (month .. year)
> >> it is free for me to do that. Why is Fusion free to a basement guy and
> Eagle pay?
> >> That’s not at all clear. Fusion is buggy as can be. Eagle needs some
> updates. Both
> >> have a lot of development $$$ that they will be sucking up. Yes that
> has to get paid
> >> for. It’s not clear that a revenue stream based on hobbyists paying
> $500 a year
> >> is rational. My guess is Autodesk will figure that out. They may
> abandon the whole
> >> 

[time-nuts] Li-ion Battreries

[Bert Kehren via time-nuts]

 
In the seventies I used F size NiCad’s in applications  like OCXO’s later 
Rb’s for power backups. Later switched to Ni-MH in all cases  needed complex 
charge control and cutout to protect batteries. Today I have  switched to 
Li-ion mainly because of the low cost reliable power management  including 
protection of the cells. The repeated problem has been a reliable  source. 
Over the last couple of years I have spend more than $ 300 only to get  most 
the time junk, no real reliable sources. That has changed.   
Fasttech does offer cells that they have tested and is a  source for those 
living outside the US. Even though they claim shipping free  once you go to 
checkout you get hit with $ 29  shipping. 
After multiple trials I finally found a perfect US  source.  _genuinecells_ 
(http://myworld.ebay.com/genuinecells)  is located in Florida and my 
thought was if disappointed  I could afford to ship back. Gen responded to my 
request for information with  data sheets and additional information. I 
purchased  _2x  Samsung 35E 3500mAh 10A 18650 High Drain Rechargeable Battery  
INR18650-35E_ 
(http://www.ebay.com/itm/112173495496?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649=STRK:MEBIDX:IT)
  for two reason 10 A load  and good price. These 
cells have no protection, which I want, since I will for  our applications  
stack 4 with a 4  cell controller and in two application also parallel cells 
for a total of  8.  I have now completed my tests  and concentrate my 
battery work on using these  cells. 
After having tested 26650 cells with disappointing  results my focus is on 
18650. I am sure there will be 26650 cells available, but  right now our 
focus is on 18650. 
I have no connection in any way with these two sources,  but think it may 
be helpful for those that look for batteris and do not want to  go through 
the process I went through.   
Bert Kehren 
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