[time-nuts] Cheap ($90) time interval counter on eBay

2017-12-28 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
I can't possibly imagine that this is going to have the performance of the
high end TI counters,  but it might interest someone to have a play without
breaking the bank.

https://m.ebay.com/itm/ADC-100A-Time-Interval-Analyzer-Tested-Working-/261303897956

Dave
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[time-nuts] Regarding the improved integrator A9 in the 5065A...

2017-12-28 Thread cdelect
Ulf,

The new A9 was only installed in units that had the 10811 installed so HP
was not concerned with it working with the 105 oscillator.

In the 10811 interface the EFC from A9 goes thru a 316K resistor to a
147K (nominal) resistor to ground. This forms a voltage divider the feed
the 10811 EFC pin.

So the peak  EFC the 10811 feels is much less than the A9 output!

Cheers,

Corby

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Re: [time-nuts] Regarding the improved integrator A9 in the 5065A...

2017-12-28 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi

The 70 or 100K resistors are in there because they are a dirt cheap way to 
isolate
the RF on the diode from the DC control signal. If by some strange error, the 
diode
actually *has* leakage near its ratings, they could be an issue. Real world 
diodes
don’t ever seem to have measurable leakage, so it works. 

Forward bias (at low current) does nothing bad to the diode. The capacitance 
goes
way up in forward bias. That’s going to swing the frequency more than a bit. 
The Q
of the diode is not so great in forward bias, but not enough to kill most 
OCXO’s. The
net effect may be to tune the oscillator into a region where it was not 
designed to 
operate. That could give you poor phase noise or odd spurs. Worst case would be 
a jump to an unusual mode. The odds of that are pretty small. 

Most HF OCXO diodes are quite happy below 20V. If you get into VHF or UHF 
devices,
you might find a diode with a rating that is lower. In all cases, it’s like the 
leakage 
numbers - yes it’s a spec, does it really matter? 

Bob

> On Dec 28, 2017, at 10:35 AM, Ulf Kylenfall via time-nuts 
>  wrote:
> 
> Regarding the improved integrator A9 in the 5065A
> Rubidium FStandard. (Series 2632)
> I have copied some of the improvements (?)that HP made to the 5065. The A7 
> AC-Amplifierand the A9 Integrator. Regarding the A9 Integrator:
> I noticed that there is nothing that prevents
> the [-EFC] signal from going positive in the
> improved OPA111 design. 
> If the XO in the 5065A
> is an old 00105-6013, the series resistances
> to the varactor in the XO Assembly
> amounts to ~70 kOhms which should prevent the
> varactor CR1 from forward current destruction.
> In the 10811-version I can see 100 kOhms.
> How does these oscillators behave should the
> -EFC signal swing the full +/- 15V that the
> OPA111 is capable of? Does it stop oscillating?
> 
> 
> Will 15V reverse polarity destroy the varactors?
> 
> I have added two zener diodes to the output
> after R3 (21K5) in my design which will 
> prevent the [-EFC] from exceeding +/- 5V 
> but the question is if the diodes needs 
> to be populated or not.
> 
> Comments Invited.
> 
> Ulf Kylenfall
> SM6GXV
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[time-nuts] Regarding the improved integrator A9 in the 5065A...

2017-12-28 Thread Ulf Kylenfall via time-nuts
 Regarding the improved integrator A9 in the 5065A
Rubidium FStandard. (Series 2632)
I have copied some of the improvements (?)that HP made to the 5065. The A7 
AC-Amplifierand the A9 Integrator. Regarding the A9 Integrator:
I noticed that there is nothing that prevents
the [-EFC] signal from going positive in the
improved OPA111 design. 
If the XO in the 5065A
is an old 00105-6013, the series resistances
to the varactor in the XO Assembly
amounts to ~70 kOhms which should prevent the
varactor CR1 from forward current destruction.
In the 10811-version I can see 100 kOhms.
How does these oscillators behave should the
-EFC signal swing the full +/- 15V that the
OPA111 is capable of? Does it stop oscillating?


Will 15V reverse polarity destroy the varactors?

I have added two zener diodes to the output
after R3 (21K5) in my design which will 
prevent the [-EFC] from exceeding +/- 5V 
but the question is if the diodes needs 
to be populated or not.

Comments Invited.

Ulf Kylenfall
SM6GXV
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[time-nuts] Vectron oscillator teardown

2017-12-28 Thread Adrian Godwin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMcRUqhrYNY

Right at the end of this teardown (50:50 minutes) Mike reaches the Vectron
oscillator module and opens that up too.
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