[time-nuts] Attila Active vs Passive H Masers

2013-12-09 Thread Clive Green
If I may direct you to www.quartzlock.com and the online catalog, you will see 
specifications of the small H Masers.
We have both in use.
Nicholai Demidov's paper at EFTF 2012 showed real results of a number of active 
H maser's with drifts down to E-17 levels
One might ask when some benefit will be seen from all the trapped ion and 
optical clock work over the last 20 years ? cw a €160k AHM.

We used a NIST system here for months to look at our AHM drift / offset, but 
our maser was below the noise level of the NIST system, so we just had E-12 
results

Why AHM performance better, look at the physics package drawings in the catalog 
to see the multiple ovens, magnetic screens etc, but mostly AHM Q=40,000, where 
PHM Q=10,000.
Modern AHM have inbuilt autonomous autotuning to virtually illuminate drift.

Incidentally, an oral paper by a NIST or USNO in Switzerland at EFTF many years 
ago reminded us all that any greater performance will have to account for lunar 
phases, earth tides, sea level change 2 x day, local magnetic anomalies 9the 
least of one's worries and in any event, what is the application / relevance of 
these levels of performance. of course the advancement of knowledge is one, but 
hugely expensive.

Open  question: We regularly measure stability noise floors to E-17 levels. 
What other parameter can be measured with greater resolution ?

Clive Green G3OPX/MM 

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[time-nuts] lower cost Rb, GPS OCXO with -110dBc/Hz@1Hz GPS Rb

2011-03-18 Thread Clive Green
We just made a breakthrough with 2 x 2 OCXO size Rb for $666:00 with 3
year warranty. This enables a low cost GPS-Rb one board with 1us holdover,
NMEA or NTP. Our standard GPS OCXO has -110dBc/Hz@1Hz Phase Noise. Available
from mid 2011 in quantity.not even on our web site yet.

 

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[time-nuts] 60kHz shielded loop antenna

2010-10-09 Thread Clive Green
Have you considered an H Field Loop antenna.

We built a quantity of these to dramatically increase sensitivity and reduce
EMI on our LF tracking RX’s (now obsolete)

Some details are still on our web site under RF  microwave components.

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[time-nuts] FW: H Maser project.

2010-08-31 Thread Clive Green
 

From: Clive Green [mailto:cgr...@quartzlock.com] 
Sent: 30 August 2010 12:05
To: time nuts

Subject: Galileo Masers

 

 

If some nuts are seriously interested in building masers….it might just be
doable as a collective.

Knowing who could do what etc and how many are in the US and EU (or
elsewhere) would be a great help.

The group has touched on some of the problems, BUT, only some.

We are involved in trying to rescue the Galileo space  ground clock
problem….must be in EU…..not Russian based as now.

QL has been involved in H Maser RD   for some 15+ years with Kvarz  we
have sold more than any other maser co.

We have  AHM  PHM at Quartzlock with the best available comparator…dare I
say our own A7-MX.

I would be happy to host a meeting in UK for any EU Nuts and in US at PTTI
or FCS and welcome any direct approaches.

Clearly a group could benefit from economies of scale and enjoy parts at
production cost with proven electronics design to PCB files thrown in, most
importantly the groups contribution.

QL would have to protect the IPR of its major software investment in an FPGA
or PIC, but these components would be available on a secured basis to the
group.

We have developed modern Maser electronics in UK and had UK built storage
bulb, just as a test…Kvarz were very impressed.

I may have missed some of the maser postings, sorry, running the show here
is full 24/7 sometimes.

We have full maser workshop manual for viewing here…no physics drawings….but
lots of inside track.

I believe in Galileo as 1 more way of keeping EU together, plus….like
Airbus, it’s a great demo of EU competence.

Your ideas welcome

Yours

Clive Green G3OPX/MM when relicenced. 

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[time-nuts] IRIG B

2010-05-25 Thread Clive Green
Can anyone help with a modern IRIG B chipset manufacturer

Many thanks

Clive Green

 

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[time-nuts] maser threads

2010-04-18 Thread Clive Green
Be sure the heli coils are totally non magnetic

 

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[time-nuts] distribution amplifier specifications

2010-02-11 Thread Clive Green
Our standard A5 distribution amplifier,  12 years old has 90dB adjacent
out to out i...@10mhz, -130dB non adj iso @5MHz  out to in -11...@10mhz. in
to in (crosstalk is 9...@5mhz) Spur -110, BB noise -148dBm/Hz, delay match
2ns (or 300ps within a group of 4 ops), phase/temp of 10ps/C, open/short
any o/p gives phase change 0.5ps, however, most important specs are PN @1Hz
-140dBc/Hz, 10Hz -150dBc/Hz, 100Hz -165dBc/Hz and AVAR E-13/s, 3E-14/10s,
e...@100s. This old design draws much on the NIST BJT design (Fred Walls et
al) and should be improved using later components. We need this performance
with modern Active Noise Filters after Cs and in general Maser based lab
work.

 

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Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 61, Issue 59

2009-08-14 Thread Clive Green
Hi John

The 6CW4 Nuvistor that I know is a metal/ceramic valve by RCAmaybe all at 
cross purposes !

Yours

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 09:38:21 -0700
From: Pete Lancashire p...@petelancashire.com
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] on the E 117As and 5087As
To: j...@quik.com, Discussion of precise time and frequency
measurementtime-nuts@febo.com
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I guess I have been lucky, I came across about 6 rolls
a few years ago. I was picking up an instrument I won locally
and as usual I took the time to find the drop boxs/dumpsters.
They along with some other 'trash' such as the SMA terminators,
attenuators, etc were ready to be tossed. To them not enough
to make up a EBay lot.

Another place is from old Ampprobes recorders, the problem there is
the printed scale will be wrong. Before I found my HP rolls I
get those from a local electrical disti who just gave them to me.
They were in cubic feet per minute :-)

-pete





 Does anyone know of a source fot te 117A strip chart paper or the two
 Nuvistors in the active loop?

 Thanks,
 -John

 ===


 Just passing on the info, no association etc

 110421524421 3 ea 5087A's $500 or Make offer
  I'm making my own after I get my TBolt in a chassis

 110424016673 2 ea 117A's $200 or Make offer
  I all ready have one

 -pete



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There is a Leica L1 only survey antenna on Ebay right now for $200 
(220451355177) a Javad choke ring unit for $900 (200373329570).   The listings 
don't have any specs on the operating voltage.  

These are typical prices for what these devices sell

[time-nuts] bootstrap voltage standard to frequency standatrd

2008-11-30 Thread Clive Green
Josephson Junction is the ultimate way to reference Voltage to Frequency.
Mother nature having blessed us with time  frequency / ways of atomically
referencing it so that this parameter may be generated  measured as a more
accurate/lower offset/repeatable/stable way than any other parameter. Most
other parameters can also be referenced to frequency.

 

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[time-nuts] Oh the horror

2008-11-16 Thread Clive Green
Having sold, delivered, installed, commissioned some 50 Active  Passive
Hydrogen Maser’s around the world, with the attendant paperwork, for these
“controlled” timepieces, end user obligations etc etc, I can fully feel for
the lab awaiting a successful delivery.

The insurance claim will be interesting. The repair will be long winded, but
nothing can be expected otherwise. Having your own backing vacuum pump,
turbo molecular vacuum pump, helium leak detector  the attendant
connections  vacuum valves will help a local rather than a back-to-base
fix.

Then, look forward to e-15 / 100s AVAR  not being able to live without
them. If you have problems, QSY  contact me.  

Look out for a breath of fresh air on the H Maser front.

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Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 28, Issue 5

2006-11-05 Thread Clive Green
Certificated Time Nut (Clive Green) certainly a wavemeter should count, so
should Lecher Lines, not sure about a calibrated candle or sun dial (maybe
if its very nice) but not hour glass / egg timer. Really well aged tuning
fork  OK but not the bowl of water with a hole in it gismo. If GPS or Rb
are to be the lowest these very important steps certainly drop off the
bottom.

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Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 12:03:09 -0600
From: Jack Hudler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Re Certified Time Nut Certificate
To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
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Scan one at RBG 600 DPI or better; I wee what I can do.

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Subject: [time-nuts] Re Certified Time Nut Certificate


Hi John,
 Ok. Great idea.  We should make up a certificate that looks
like an NIST cert. that certifies that if we have a working
Cesium  or hydrogen maser standard or two or more standards that can
be traceable to NIST, you can become a Certified  Time Nut. It will
look nice hanging over a person's maser.
  Of course we could have levels as well. Master Nut (Own a
maser or 5071) and then levels like primary, secondary and tertiary.
The lowest could be  having just a GPS source or rubidium.  What do
you think? Maybe we could come up with something interesting. Anyone
want to make them up?
 Doug



At 05:47 AM 11/4/2006, you wrote:
Doug Millar said the following on 11/03/2006 09:57 PM:

   Should we be considered certified time nuts? or
  just certifiable?

Depends on whether you're traceable to NIST...

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Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 18:16:48 +
From: Poul-Henning Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You really need to get Borgmans permission to include the
Zits nanosecond strip on the certificate.

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Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 11:37:10 -0800
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John Ackermann N8UR wrote:

Doug Millar said the following on 11/03/2006 09:57 PM:



 Should we be considered certified time nuts? or
just certifiable?



Depends on whether