Re: [time-nuts] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: New Guy, has HP 5061A with DATUM 7105A tube seeks advice

2014-11-07 Thread paul swed
Boy is that the fact. Gotten me a time or 2.

Regards
Paul
WB8TSL

On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 9:13 AM, J. L. Trantham jlt...@att.net wrote:

 Forgot to mention to be sure and check the front panel bulbs.  Frequently
 they burn out and you get no indication when everything is OK.

 Good luck.

 Joe

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 From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of J. L.
 Trantham
 Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 8:19 PM
 To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [time-nuts] [Bulk] Re: New Guy, has HP 5061A with
 DATUM 7105A tube seeks advice

 Wayne,

 Forgot to mention this on my first post.

 On the front panel:

 1.  Set the MODE to 'CS OFF'
 2.  Set OSC FREQUENCY five turn pot to '250' (not COARSE).
 3.  Set MOD to 'ON'.
 4.  Set C FIELD to whatever the front door says it should be.
 5.  Set CIRCUIT CHECK to 'ION PUMP I'.

 Plug it in and wait.  ION PUMP I will likely (should) go full scale.  Only
 once it comes close to zero will you be able to advance further.

 You can, however, switch CIRCUIT CHECK to its various positions and see
 what the readings are.

 BATTERY will not indicate since you removed the battery and charger card.

 SUPPLY will indicate about 3/4 scale or a bit more to indicate that the
 18.7 VDC is OK.

 ION PUMP I will likely be 'full scale' but, in my experience, the Datum
 tubes will pump down faster than the HP tubes.  At least give it a couple
 of days.

 OSC OVEN will start full scale but will fall to about 3/4 scale as the
 10811 heats up and comes to its operating temperature.  If it does not come
 down in about 30 to 60 minutes, there is likely a problem with the 10811.

 CS OVEN will be at zero until you turn MODE clockwise past CS OFF.  It
 will then go full scale and after 30 to 60 minutes will indicate similar to
 OSC OVEN, assuming everything is OK.

 5 MHZ should be about 2/3 scale.

 MULT will not indicate until you flip the AUTO START - START switch to
 START and then let it go back, IIRC.

 BEAM I and 2nd HARMONIC will not indicate until you are past CS OFF on the
 MODE switch and the CS OVEN indication comes back down 'on scale'.

 CONTROL will indicate when you are in OPER on the MODE switch and have hit
 the LOGIC RESET button once everything is 'on scale', assuming your OSC
 FREQUENCY COARSE is 'in the ball park'.  Once you have had the unit plugged
 in and the OSC OVEN indication has 'come down', you can check the 5 MHz
 against your GPSDO and then adjust the OSC FREQUENCY COARSE to bring it to
 5.00 MHz.  Once there, the PLL will likely be able to 'lock' and the
 CONTINOUS OPERATION light should turn green after moving MODE to OPER and
 hitting the LOGIC RESET button but only after all the other meter
 indications are correct.  If the light turns green, it is time for the
 'happy dance'.

 1 MHz and 100 kHz will indicate after flipping the START switch.

 Hope this helps.

 Good luck.

 Joe



 -Original Message-
 From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
 Holder
 Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 7:14 PM
 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [time-nuts] New Guy, has HP 5061A with DATUM 7105A
 tube seeks advice

  If you get the tube working, you should use a counter or Lissajous
  display with a GPS or rubidium standard to preset it to the correct
  resonance peak frequency for lockup.  The tube will probably be pretty
  noisy at first.  If it also has weak beam current, which is common, it
  will be very difficult to find the right peak without cheating.
 

 I have a Trimble Thunderbolt GPS Disciplined Clock.  Is that going to be
 good enough to set the correct resonance peak frequency for lockup?

 BTW, thanks for the link to a source for a manual.  I've ordered a copy
 for my serial number range.

 Wayne
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Re: [time-nuts] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: New Guy, has HP 5061A with DATUM 7105A tube seeks advice

2014-11-07 Thread J. L. Trantham
Forgot to mention to be sure and check the front panel bulbs.  Frequently they 
burn out and you get no indication when everything is OK.

Good luck.

Joe

-Original Message-
From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of J. L. Trantham
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 8:19 PM
To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [time-nuts] [Bulk] Re: New Guy, has HP 5061A with DATUM 
7105A tube seeks advice

Wayne,

Forgot to mention this on my first post.

On the front panel:

1.  Set the MODE to 'CS OFF'
2.  Set OSC FREQUENCY five turn pot to '250' (not COARSE).
3.  Set MOD to 'ON'.
4.  Set C FIELD to whatever the front door says it should be.
5.  Set CIRCUIT CHECK to 'ION PUMP I'.

Plug it in and wait.  ION PUMP I will likely (should) go full scale.  Only once 
it comes close to zero will you be able to advance further.

You can, however, switch CIRCUIT CHECK to its various positions and see what 
the readings are.

BATTERY will not indicate since you removed the battery and charger card.

SUPPLY will indicate about 3/4 scale or a bit more to indicate that the 18.7 
VDC is OK.

ION PUMP I will likely be 'full scale' but, in my experience, the Datum tubes 
will pump down faster than the HP tubes.  At least give it a couple of days.

OSC OVEN will start full scale but will fall to about 3/4 scale as the 10811 
heats up and comes to its operating temperature.  If it does not come down in 
about 30 to 60 minutes, there is likely a problem with the 10811.

CS OVEN will be at zero until you turn MODE clockwise past CS OFF.  It will 
then go full scale and after 30 to 60 minutes will indicate similar to OSC 
OVEN, assuming everything is OK.

5 MHZ should be about 2/3 scale.

MULT will not indicate until you flip the AUTO START - START switch to START 
and then let it go back, IIRC.

BEAM I and 2nd HARMONIC will not indicate until you are past CS OFF on the MODE 
switch and the CS OVEN indication comes back down 'on scale'.

CONTROL will indicate when you are in OPER on the MODE switch and have hit the 
LOGIC RESET button once everything is 'on scale', assuming your OSC FREQUENCY 
COARSE is 'in the ball park'.  Once you have had the unit plugged in and the 
OSC OVEN indication has 'come down', you can check the 5 MHz against your GPSDO 
and then adjust the OSC FREQUENCY COARSE to bring it to 5.00 MHz.  Once 
there, the PLL will likely be able to 'lock' and the CONTINOUS OPERATION light 
should turn green after moving MODE to OPER and hitting the LOGIC RESET button 
but only after all the other meter indications are correct.  If the light turns 
green, it is time for the 'happy dance'.

1 MHz and 100 kHz will indicate after flipping the START switch.

Hope this helps.

Good luck.

Joe



-Original Message-
From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Holder
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 7:14 PM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [time-nuts] New Guy, has HP 5061A with DATUM 7105A tube 
seeks advice

 If you get the tube working, you should use a counter or Lissajous 
 display with a GPS or rubidium standard to preset it to the correct 
 resonance peak frequency for lockup.  The tube will probably be pretty 
 noisy at first.  If it also has weak beam current, which is common, it 
 will be very difficult to find the right peak without cheating.


I have a Trimble Thunderbolt GPS Disciplined Clock.  Is that going to be good 
enough to set the correct resonance peak frequency for lockup?

BTW, thanks for the link to a source for a manual.  I've ordered a copy for my 
serial number range.

Wayne
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