Re: [time-nuts] Agilent / HP 117A on eBay...
On mine, the side arms are insulated at the bottom and the conduit screws directly into the Tee at the top. That makes the shield symmetric about ground at the vertical post. -John === the side loops are insulated at the top to prevent forming aa shorted turn. It's a loop antenna that works on the magnetic field component of the incoming wave, rather than the electric field, like a whip. So, if you put a bunch of turns inside the loop of conduit, a complete loop of conduit will be a shorted secondary. J. Forster The HP 117A antenna is a circular shielded loop, about 1 meter or 3' in diameter. I never bothered to measure it. It looks to be made out of roughly 1 OD aluminum electrical conduit components, a Tee at the top and a pull box at the bottom. There are three conduit sections, one a diameter that goes vertically from the bottom pull box to the top Tee. There are a pair of semicirllas, one on each side. The two side loop halved are insulated from the pull box as I remember. There is a picture in the 117A manual on the Agilent site, but no dimensions I saw. It is a crummy scan. The loop dimensions may be in a catalog of the period. It'd be fairly easy to replicate w/ a hand conduit bender, IMO. -John I never bothered Hi Pete, I have a 14 diameter choke ring GPS L1 with a big spike on the top of it, on the peak of the roof :) That certainly gets some stares! As the HP antenna is VLF, is the Antenna Huge? I can't reliably get WWVB in Australia. Lots of fading etcetera, or I'd be in there like a shot :) We do have a beer called VB hmmm.. --marki -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lancashire Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013 10:50 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Agilent / HP 117A on eBay... I still would like to find one of the HP antenna's just for the looks. Even the 10509A with 13CW4's .. ok the FET version would be better. At least give those passing by something else to point at :-) -pete On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Burt I. Weiner b...@att.net wrote: I always wanted on, but with the intention of using it. To bad it's now useless now with the new WWVB format, otherwise I'd buy it. Antennas I got. Burt, K6OQK At 06:14 AM 7/25/2013, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote Would this box work with the new WWVB format? On 07/25/2013 04:07 AM, Mark C. Stephens wrote: Oh my gosh, a 117A has popped up on eBay! Looks in pretty good condition given its age... Seller claims the antenna will be listed shortly! Item # 281141315740 --marki Burt I. Weiner Associates Broadcast Technical Services Glendale, California U.S.A. b...@att.net www.biwa.cc K6OQK __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listin fo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Neither the voice of authority nor the weight of reason and argument are as significant as experiment, for thence comes quiet to the mind. De Erroribus Medicorum, R. Bacon, 13th century. If you don't know what it is, don't poke it. Ghost in the Shell Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL Six Mile Systems LLP 17850 Six Mile Road POB 134 Huson, MT, 59846 VOX 406-626-4304 Skype: buffler2 www.lightningforensics.com www.sixmilesystems.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] Agilent / HP 117A on eBay...
I always wanted on, but with the intention of using it. To bad it's now useless now with the new WWVB format, otherwise I'd buy it. Antennas I got. Burt, K6OQK At 06:14 AM 7/25/2013, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote Would this box work with the new WWVB format? On 07/25/2013 04:07 AM, Mark C. Stephens wrote: Oh my gosh, a 117A has popped up on eBay! Looks in pretty good condition given its age... Seller claims the antenna will be listed shortly! Item # 281141315740 --marki Burt I. Weiner Associates Broadcast Technical Services Glendale, California U.S.A. b...@att.net www.biwa.cc K6OQK ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Agilent / HP 117A on eBay...
I still would like to find one of the HP antenna's just for the looks. Even the 10509A with 13CW4's .. ok the FET version would be better. At least give those passing by something else to point at :-) -pete On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Burt I. Weiner b...@att.net wrote: I always wanted on, but with the intention of using it. To bad it's now useless now with the new WWVB format, otherwise I'd buy it. Antennas I got. Burt, K6OQK At 06:14 AM 7/25/2013, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote Would this box work with the new WWVB format? On 07/25/2013 04:07 AM, Mark C. Stephens wrote: Oh my gosh, a 117A has popped up on eBay! Looks in pretty good condition given its age... Seller claims the antenna will be listed shortly! Item # 281141315740 --marki Burt I. Weiner Associates Broadcast Technical Services Glendale, California U.S.A. b...@att.net www.biwa.cc K6OQK __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Agilent / HP 117A on eBay...
Hi Pete, I have a 14 diameter choke ring GPS L1 with a big spike on the top of it, on the peak of the roof :) That certainly gets some stares! As the HP antenna is VLF, is the Antenna Huge? I can't reliably get WWVB in Australia. Lots of fading etcetera, or I'd be in there like a shot :) We do have a beer called VB hmmm.. --marki -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lancashire Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013 10:50 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Agilent / HP 117A on eBay... I still would like to find one of the HP antenna's just for the looks. Even the 10509A with 13CW4's .. ok the FET version would be better. At least give those passing by something else to point at :-) -pete On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Burt I. Weiner b...@att.net wrote: I always wanted on, but with the intention of using it. To bad it's now useless now with the new WWVB format, otherwise I'd buy it. Antennas I got. Burt, K6OQK At 06:14 AM 7/25/2013, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote Would this box work with the new WWVB format? On 07/25/2013 04:07 AM, Mark C. Stephens wrote: Oh my gosh, a 117A has popped up on eBay! Looks in pretty good condition given its age... Seller claims the antenna will be listed shortly! Item # 281141315740 --marki Burt I. Weiner Associates Broadcast Technical Services Glendale, California U.S.A. b...@att.net www.biwa.cc K6OQK __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listin fo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Agilent / HP 117A on eBay...
The HP 117A antenna is a circular shielded loop, about 1 meter or 3' in diameter. I never bothered to measure it. It looks to be made out of roughly 1 OD aluminum electrical conduit components, a Tee at the top and a pull box at the bottom. There are three conduit sections, one a diameter that goes vertically from the bottom pull box to the top Tee. There are a pair of semicirllas, one on each side. The two side loop halved are insulated from the pull box as I remember. There is a picture in the 117A manual on the Agilent site, but no dimensions I saw. It is a crummy scan. The loop dimensions may be in a catalog of the period. It'd be fairly easy to replicate w/ a hand conduit bender, IMO. -John I never bothered Hi Pete, I have a 14 diameter choke ring GPS L1 with a big spike on the top of it, on the peak of the roof :) That certainly gets some stares! As the HP antenna is VLF, is the Antenna Huge? I can't reliably get WWVB in Australia. Lots of fading etcetera, or I'd be in there like a shot :) We do have a beer called VB hmmm.. --marki -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lancashire Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013 10:50 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Agilent / HP 117A on eBay... I still would like to find one of the HP antenna's just for the looks. Even the 10509A with 13CW4's .. ok the FET version would be better. At least give those passing by something else to point at :-) -pete On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Burt I. Weiner b...@att.net wrote: I always wanted on, but with the intention of using it. To bad it's now useless now with the new WWVB format, otherwise I'd buy it. Antennas I got. Burt, K6OQK At 06:14 AM 7/25/2013, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote Would this box work with the new WWVB format? On 07/25/2013 04:07 AM, Mark C. Stephens wrote: Oh my gosh, a 117A has popped up on eBay! Looks in pretty good condition given its age... Seller claims the antenna will be listed shortly! Item # 281141315740 --marki Burt I. Weiner Associates Broadcast Technical Services Glendale, California U.S.A. b...@att.net www.biwa.cc K6OQK __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listin fo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Agilent / HP 117A on eBay...
Marki the antennas are about 3 foot as I recall not huge, really. But Australia is a bit far away. I would think JJY might be better for you. That said to actually improve the signal at that distance build a serious loop. Mine is 10' by 10 ft 800 ft of wire and preamp. Does a heck of a job for the east coast of the US. Australia is large so you could go really big. :-) Seriously the larger the area the better. Though the limit seems to be the turns and the ability to tune the coil with a cap. There is a lot of good information on a site called vlf.it on loops. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 8:57 PM, Mark C. Stephens ma...@non-stop.com.auwrote: Hi Pete, I have a 14 diameter choke ring GPS L1 with a big spike on the top of it, on the peak of the roof :) That certainly gets some stares! As the HP antenna is VLF, is the Antenna Huge? I can't reliably get WWVB in Australia. Lots of fading etcetera, or I'd be in there like a shot :) We do have a beer called VB hmmm.. --marki -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lancashire Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013 10:50 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Agilent / HP 117A on eBay... I still would like to find one of the HP antenna's just for the looks. Even the 10509A with 13CW4's .. ok the FET version would be better. At least give those passing by something else to point at :-) -pete On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Burt I. Weiner b...@att.net wrote: I always wanted on, but with the intention of using it. To bad it's now useless now with the new WWVB format, otherwise I'd buy it. Antennas I got. Burt, K6OQK At 06:14 AM 7/25/2013, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote Would this box work with the new WWVB format? On 07/25/2013 04:07 AM, Mark C. Stephens wrote: Oh my gosh, a 117A has popped up on eBay! Looks in pretty good condition given its age... Seller claims the antenna will be listed shortly! Item # 281141315740 --marki Burt I. Weiner Associates Broadcast Technical Services Glendale, California U.S.A. b...@att.net www.biwa.cc K6OQK __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listin fo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Agilent / HP 117A on eBay...
I had one of those antennas some years ago. sold it to an outfit in Washington State (I was in Boston). IIRC, it was over $300 to ship it UPS due to the size. 73, Dick, W1KSZ On 7/25/2013 6:23 PM, paul swed wrote: Marki the antennas are about 3 foot as I recall not huge, really. But Australia is a bit far away. I would think JJY might be better for you. That said to actually improve the signal at that distance build a serious loop. Mine is 10' by 10 ft 800 ft of wire and preamp. Does a heck of a job for the east coast of the US. Australia is large so you could go really big. :-) Seriously the larger the area the better. Though the limit seems to be the turns and the ability to tune the coil with a cap. There is a lot of good information on a site called vlf.it on loops. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 8:57 PM, Mark C. Stephens ma...@non-stop.com.auwrote: Hi Pete, I have a 14 diameter choke ring GPS L1 with a big spike on the top of it, on the peak of the roof :) That certainly gets some stares! As the HP antenna is VLF, is the Antenna Huge? I can't reliably get WWVB in Australia. Lots of fading etcetera, or I'd be in there like a shot :) We do have a beer called VB hmmm.. --marki -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lancashire Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013 10:50 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Agilent / HP 117A on eBay... I still would like to find one of the HP antenna's just for the looks. Even the 10509A with 13CW4's .. ok the FET version would be better. At least give those passing by something else to point at :-) -pete On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Burt I. Weiner b...@att.net wrote: I always wanted on, but with the intention of using it. To bad it's now useless now with the new WWVB format, otherwise I'd buy it. Antennas I got. Burt, K6OQK At 06:14 AM 7/25/2013, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote Would this box work with the new WWVB format? On 07/25/2013 04:07 AM, Mark C. Stephens wrote: Oh my gosh, a 117A has popped up on eBay! Looks in pretty good condition given its age... Seller claims the antenna will be listed shortly! Item # 281141315740 --marki Burt I. Weiner Associates Broadcast Technical Services Glendale, California U.S.A. b...@att.net www.biwa.cc K6OQK __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listin fo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Agilent / HP 117A on eBay...
I have made a number of effective loop antennas for various frequencies tuned with variable capacitors going into the gate of a FET. A large number of turns on a ferrite rod will tune to 60 KHz and pick up a good signal if located away from noise sources. Or you could get a Hula Loop and paint it orange or silver. On 07/25/2013 07:34 PM, Richard Solomon wrote: I had one of those antennas some years ago. sold it to an outfit in Washington State (I was in Boston). IIRC, it was over $300 to ship it UPS due to the size. 73, Dick, W1KSZ On 7/25/2013 6:23 PM, paul swed wrote: Marki the antennas are about 3 foot as I recall not huge, really. But Australia is a bit far away. I would think JJY might be better for you. That said to actually improve the signal at that distance build a serious loop. Mine is 10' by 10 ft 800 ft of wire and preamp. Does a heck of a job for the east coast of the US. Australia is large so you could go really big. :-) Seriously the larger the area the better. Though the limit seems to be the turns and the ability to tune the coil with a cap. There is a lot of good information on a site called vlf.it on loops. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 8:57 PM, Mark C. Stephens ma...@non-stop.com.auwrote: Hi Pete, I have a 14 diameter choke ring GPS L1 with a big spike on the top of it, on the peak of the roof :) That certainly gets some stares! As the HP antenna is VLF, is the Antenna Huge? I can't reliably get WWVB in Australia. Lots of fading etcetera, or I'd be in there like a shot :) We do have a beer called VB hmmm.. --marki -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lancashire Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013 10:50 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Agilent / HP 117A on eBay... I still would like to find one of the HP antenna's just for the looks. Even the 10509A with 13CW4's .. ok the FET version would be better. At least give those passing by something else to point at :-) -pete On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Burt I. Weiner b...@att.net wrote: I always wanted on, but with the intention of using it. To bad it's now useless now with the new WWVB format, otherwise I'd buy it. Antennas I got. Burt, K6OQK At 06:14 AM 7/25/2013, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote Would this box work with the new WWVB format? On 07/25/2013 04:07 AM, Mark C. Stephens wrote: Oh my gosh, a 117A has popped up on eBay! Looks in pretty good condition given its age... Seller claims the antenna will be listed shortly! Item # 281141315740 --marki Burt I. Weiner Associates Broadcast Technical Services Glendale, California U.S.A. b...@att.net www.biwa.cc K6OQK __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listin fo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX c...@omen.com www.omen.com Developer of Industrial ZMODEM(Tm) for Embedded Applications Omen Technology Inc The High Reliability Software 10255 NW Old Cornelius Pass Portland OR 97231 503-614-0430 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Agilent / HP 117A on eBay...
the side loops are insulated at the top to prevent forming aa shorted turn. It's a loop antenna that works on the magnetic field component of the incoming wave, rather than the electric field, like a whip. So, if you put a bunch of turns inside the loop of conduit, a complete loop of conduit will be a shorted secondary. J. Forster The HP 117A antenna is a circular shielded loop, about 1 meter or 3' in diameter. I never bothered to measure it. It looks to be made out of roughly 1 OD aluminum electrical conduit components, a Tee at the top and a pull box at the bottom. There are three conduit sections, one a diameter that goes vertically from the bottom pull box to the top Tee. There are a pair of semicirllas, one on each side. The two side loop halved are insulated from the pull box as I remember. There is a picture in the 117A manual on the Agilent site, but no dimensions I saw. It is a crummy scan. The loop dimensions may be in a catalog of the period. It'd be fairly easy to replicate w/ a hand conduit bender, IMO. -John I never bothered Hi Pete, I have a 14 diameter choke ring GPS L1 with a big spike on the top of it, on the peak of the roof :) That certainly gets some stares! As the HP antenna is VLF, is the Antenna Huge? I can't reliably get WWVB in Australia. Lots of fading etcetera, or I'd be in there like a shot :) We do have a beer called VB hmmm.. --marki -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lancashire Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013 10:50 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Agilent / HP 117A on eBay... I still would like to find one of the HP antenna's just for the looks. Even the 10509A with 13CW4's .. ok the FET version would be better. At least give those passing by something else to point at :-) -pete On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Burt I. Weiner b...@att.net wrote: I always wanted on, but with the intention of using it. To bad it's now useless now with the new WWVB format, otherwise I'd buy it. Antennas I got. Burt, K6OQK At 06:14 AM 7/25/2013, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote Would this box work with the new WWVB format? On 07/25/2013 04:07 AM, Mark C. Stephens wrote: Oh my gosh, a 117A has popped up on eBay! Looks in pretty good condition given its age... Seller claims the antenna will be listed shortly! Item # 281141315740 --marki Burt I. Weiner Associates Broadcast Technical Services Glendale, California U.S.A. b...@att.net www.biwa.cc K6OQK __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listin fo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Neither the voice of authority nor the weight of reason and argument are as significant as experiment, for thence comes quiet to the mind. De Erroribus Medicorum, R. Bacon, 13th century. If you don't know what it is, don't poke it. Ghost in the Shell Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL Six Mile Systems LLP 17850 Six Mile Road POB 134 Huson, MT, 59846 VOX 406-626-4304 Skype: buffler2 www.lightningforensics.com www.sixmilesystems.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
