Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2200A
Absolutely have it working. Absolutely a considerable project. In a nutshell I found another gps unit that was older and had lots of points to access. Not a fully integrated IC. Then up converted its 35 Mhz IF with a 40 Mhz signal. All had to be driven from the austron 10 Mhz reference signal. OK so all of that was done. Next step is that since it has the multiple rollover issues you have figure out the date to tell it. Quite an effort. But its a very good unit for checking offsets. Though a pain to get there. Regards Paul On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Jason Ball ja...@ball.net wrote: While I may be counting chickens, I'm likely to take delivery of an Austron 2200A in the next week. Somewhat predictably the antenna isn't included and I've seen the extensive thread from this mailing list circa 2007 where the thread seemed to peter out at the end. Worst case I could probably pillage the (working) rubidium oscillator that's inside it, ideally it would be nice to get the unit working as is. Did people end up getting their Austron's up and running ? At the moment I'm looking at options to make a down converter to deliver the 75.3Mhz required for the Austron and to power a timing antenna with 5v LNA that I have sitting on the shelf. There are some 23cm amateur kits that would be adapted for the mixer unless there is a 'simpler' solution I've missed. Any suggestions ? Cheers -- -- Teach your kids Science, or somebody else will :/ ja...@ball.net vk2...@google.com vk2f...@google.com callsign: vk2vjb ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] Austron 2200A
While I may be counting chickens, I'm likely to take delivery of an Austron 2200A in the next week. Somewhat predictably the antenna isn't included and I've seen the extensive thread from this mailing list circa 2007 where the thread seemed to peter out at the end. Worst case I could probably pillage the (working) rubidium oscillator that's inside it, ideally it would be nice to get the unit working as is. Did people end up getting their Austron's up and running ? At the moment I'm looking at options to make a down converter to deliver the 75.3Mhz required for the Austron and to power a timing antenna with 5v LNA that I have sitting on the shelf. There are some 23cm amateur kits that would be adapted for the mixer unless there is a 'simpler' solution I've missed. Any suggestions ? Cheers -- -- Teach your kids Science, or somebody else will :/ ja...@ball.net vk2...@google.com vk2f...@google.com callsign: vk2vjb ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2200A investigation
Maybe a bit quick off the mark here. They definitely used the DDS technique with their later telecom modules, but thinking about it, I'm now not sure the 2200 or 2201 used this. Apologies for any confusion. Rob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kimberley Sent: 19 May 2013 17:43 To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2200A investigation The Rb was externally calibrated and then left to free run. They then used DDS to get frequency o/p. Austron used this technique a lot with their later telecom GPS modules. Rob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Luciano Paramithiotti Sent: 19 May 2013 09:14 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Austron 2200A investigation Hi, I have an Austron 2200A with FRS rubidium option. After 30 min. powerup and locking, PPS and Freq alarm goes up. The receiver position and the FRS are ok. Looking the Rubidium and controller connection cable, I have seen the pin 8 (frequency control)of the rubidium is never been connected. The question are: 1) how the PLL can happen? Cannot ! Different operation? 2) some one have the interface's schematic p.n. 10312676 Osc cntl freq cntr ? thank you, -- Luciano Timeok visit : www.timeok.it ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2200A Manual
Luciano, I used to work for Austron before they were acquired by Datum, and have a box of old manuals in my garage. Not sure if I have this particular one, but will check and let you know. Kind Regards Rob Kimberley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paramithiotti, Luciano Paolo S Sent: 04 January 2006 15:07 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Austron 2200A Manual I have bought an Austron 2200A GPS receiver with internal rubidium. Unfortunately I haven't the antenna that really is a special converter. I am looking for the service manual copy . Symmetricom say it haven't. I remember my Austron is only 10 years old. Someone in the word can help me? Thanks to all in advance Luciano P. S. Paramithiotti Italy ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2200A Manual
Hi Bob, While you look through your box of manuals, could you please look for a manual for the Datum 9390-5533 which I acquired via EBay. Any info would be helpful, I note that it has 12 VDC on the antenna connector so I am curious if its for a preamplified antenna or an antenna/dowmconverter. I am more then happy to pay for it. REM [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Kimberley Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 10:39 To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2200A Manual Luciano, I used to work for Austron before they were acquired by Datum, and have a box of old manuals in my garage. Not sure if I have this particular one, but will check and let you know. Kind Regards Rob Kimberley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paramithiotti, Luciano Paolo S Sent: 04 January 2006 15:07 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Austron 2200A Manual I have bought an Austron 2200A GPS receiver with internal rubidium. Unfortunately I haven't the antenna that really is a special converter. I am looking for the service manual copy . Symmetricom say it haven't. I remember my Austron is only 10 years old. Someone in the word can help me? Thanks to all in advance Luciano P. S. Paramithiotti Italy ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2200A Manual
Hi Robert, I do have some 9390 manuals as well but doubt if I have that one (looks like I better check out what I have and post the list). However I do know that Datum used Trimble engines in their GPS products which did not down convert and some of the earlier models did have +12V feeds for the LNA inside the antenna rather than the later and more common +5V types. Will check and let you know. Rob Kimberley -Original Message- From: Robert E. Martinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 January 2006 18:06 To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [time-nuts] Austron 2200A Manual Hi Bob, While you look through your box of manuals, could you please look for a manual for the Datum 9390-5533 which I acquired via EBay. Any info would be helpful, I note that it has 12 VDC on the antenna connector so I am curious if its for a preamplified antenna or an antenna/dowmconverter. I am more then happy to pay for it. REM [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Kimberley Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 10:39 To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2200A Manual Luciano, I used to work for Austron before they were acquired by Datum, and have a box of old manuals in my garage. Not sure if I have this particular one, but will check and let you know. Kind Regards Rob Kimberley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paramithiotti, Luciano Paolo S Sent: 04 January 2006 15:07 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Austron 2200A Manual I have bought an Austron 2200A GPS receiver with internal rubidium. Unfortunately I haven't the antenna that really is a special converter. I am looking for the service manual copy . Symmetricom say it haven't. I remember my Austron is only 10 years old. Someone in the word can help me? Thanks to all in advance Luciano P. S. Paramithiotti Italy ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2200A Manual
Wow, thanks for the quick response!!! Any help will be appreciated. Maybe I can disconnect the 12 V put 5 V on the antenna (internally), will try and trace the traces. REM -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Kimberley Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 13:20 To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2200A Manual Hi Robert, I do have some 9390 manuals as well but doubt if I have that one (looks like I better check out what I have and post the list). However I do know that Datum used Trimble engines in their GPS products which did not down convert and some of the earlier models did have +12V feeds for the LNA inside the antenna rather than the later and more common +5V types. Will check and let you know. Rob Kimberley -Original Message- From: Robert E. Martinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 January 2006 18:06 To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [time-nuts] Austron 2200A Manual Hi Bob, While you look through your box of manuals, could you please look for a manual for the Datum 9390-5533 which I acquired via EBay. Any info would be helpful, I note that it has 12 VDC on the antenna connector so I am curious if its for a preamplified antenna or an antenna/dowmconverter. I am more then happy to pay for it. REM [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Kimberley Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 10:39 To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2200A Manual Luciano, I used to work for Austron before they were acquired by Datum, and have a box of old manuals in my garage. Not sure if I have this particular one, but will check and let you know. Kind Regards Rob Kimberley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paramithiotti, Luciano Paolo S Sent: 04 January 2006 15:07 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Austron 2200A Manual I have bought an Austron 2200A GPS receiver with internal rubidium. Unfortunately I haven't the antenna that really is a special converter. I am looking for the service manual copy . Symmetricom say it haven't. I remember my Austron is only 10 years old. Someone in the word can help me? Thanks to all in advance Luciano P. S. Paramithiotti Italy ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2200A Manual
Robert E. Martinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bob, While you look through your box of manuals, could you please look for a manual for the Datum 9390-5533 which I acquired via EBay. Any info would be helpful, I note that it has 12 VDC on the antenna connector so I am curious if its for a preamplified antenna or an antenna/dowmconverter. Check inside the box what kind of GPS receiver it has. -- Björn ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2200A Manual
Robert, My pleasure Sir! The problem here is that the antenna may not work with +5v, and may actually need +12V. However, I have successfully done this with an Odetics receiver in the past, but the GPS engine was not a Trimble, and I don't actually know who made the antennae, but I do remember that they had both 12V and 5V versions. Worth a try though. For the record guys, I have worked directly for Systron-Donner, Austron, Odetics/Zyfer and have represented TrueTime, Datum, Meinberg, and KSI, so have some useful experience (plus a load of old manuals!!) Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert E. Martinson Sent: 04 January 2006 18:38 To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2200A Manual Wow, thanks for the quick response!!! Any help will be appreciated. Maybe I can disconnect the 12 V put 5 V on the antenna (internally), will try and trace the traces. REM -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Kimberley Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 13:20 To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2200A Manual Hi Robert, I do have some 9390 manuals as well but doubt if I have that one (looks like I better check out what I have and post the list). However I do know that Datum used Trimble engines in their GPS products which did not down convert and some of the earlier models did have +12V feeds for the LNA inside the antenna rather than the later and more common +5V types. Will check and let you know. Rob Kimberley -Original Message- From: Robert E. Martinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 January 2006 18:06 To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [time-nuts] Austron 2200A Manual Hi Bob, While you look through your box of manuals, could you please look for a manual for the Datum 9390-5533 which I acquired via EBay. Any info would be helpful, I note that it has 12 VDC on the antenna connector so I am curious if its for a preamplified antenna or an antenna/dowmconverter. I am more then happy to pay for it. REM [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Kimberley Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 10:39 To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2200A Manual Luciano, I used to work for Austron before they were acquired by Datum, and have a box of old manuals in my garage. Not sure if I have this particular one, but will check and let you know. Kind Regards Rob Kimberley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paramithiotti, Luciano Paolo S Sent: 04 January 2006 15:07 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Austron 2200A Manual I have bought an Austron 2200A GPS receiver with internal rubidium. Unfortunately I haven't the antenna that really is a special converter. I am looking for the service manual copy . Symmetricom say it haven't. I remember my Austron is only 10 years old. Someone in the word can help me? Thanks to all in advance Luciano P. S. Paramithiotti Italy ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2200A Manual
My Datum 0390-5533 has a Trimble Navigation Board, Assy 11179 Rev F, and another Trimble board that is marked Datum SNP board 11874 Rev A Trimble Navigation. This first board also contains a 16.368 MHz frequency source by Greenway. I do not have the original antenna. I bought 2 antennas from NavSphere , they are advertised as 2.5 to 12 VDC on the NavSphere website and clearly labeled as 2.5 - 12 VDC. The first one failed after some hours, thinking maybe it was a fluke I tried a second one. Same thing it failed after some hours. The company refuses to answer my requests for replacements that will work at 12 VDC as advertised. Option is to use a Bias-T, isolate the 12 VDC insert 5 VDC. Or obtain a 12 VDC antenna, or even the Datum or Trimble antenna. Looking at the board near the TNC antenna connector I see a choke L3 and a cap C5 with a ferrite bead on one leg. Maybe this is the 12 VDC feed to the antenna. Will put back together later and measure voltages later. If this Trimble receiver down converts in the antenna, it makes the problem considerably more difficult to solve. What is the IF frequency? Any hints appreciated. REM -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Kimberley Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 15:03 To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2200A Manual Robert, My pleasure Sir! The problem here is that the antenna may not work with +5v, and may actually need +12V. However, I have successfully done this with an Odetics receiver in the past, but the GPS engine was not a Trimble, and I don't actually know who made the antennae, but I do remember that they had both 12V and 5V versions. Worth a try though. For the record guys, I have worked directly for Systron-Donner, Austron, Odetics/Zyfer and have represented TrueTime, Datum, Meinberg, and KSI, so have some useful experience (plus a load of old manuals!!) Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert E. Martinson Sent: 04 January 2006 18:38 To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2200A Manual Wow, thanks for the quick response!!! Any help will be appreciated. Maybe I can disconnect the 12 V put 5 V on the antenna (internally), will try and trace the traces. REM -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Kimberley Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 13:20 To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2200A Manual Hi Robert, I do have some 9390 manuals as well but doubt if I have that one (looks like I better check out what I have and post the list). However I do know that Datum used Trimble engines in their GPS products which did not down convert and some of the earlier models did have +12V feeds for the LNA inside the antenna rather than the later and more common +5V types. Will check and let you know. Rob Kimberley -Original Message- From: Robert E. Martinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 January 2006 18:06 To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [time-nuts] Austron 2200A Manual Hi Bob, While you look through your box of manuals, could you please look for a manual for the Datum 9390-5533 which I acquired via EBay. Any info would be helpful, I note that it has 12 VDC on the antenna connector so I am curious if its for a preamplified antenna or an antenna/dowmconverter. I am more then happy to pay for it. REM [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Kimberley Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 10:39 To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2200A Manual Luciano, I used to work for Austron before they were acquired by Datum, and have a box of old manuals in my garage. Not sure if I have this particular one, but will check and let you know. Kind Regards Rob Kimberley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paramithiotti, Luciano Paolo S Sent: 04 January 2006 15:07 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Austron 2200A Manual I have bought an Austron 2200A GPS receiver with internal rubidium. Unfortunately I haven't the antenna that really is a special converter. I am looking for the service manual copy . Symmetricom say it haven't. I remember my Austron is only 10 years old. Someone in the word can help me? Thanks to all in advance Luciano P. S. Paramithiotti Italy ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo
