[time-nuts] Fury PR in GPS World..

2007-07-19 Thread Rob Kimberley
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http://uc.gpsworld.com/gpsuc/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=442353

Rob Kimberley



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[time-nuts] Fury PR in GPS World... Part 2

2007-07-19 Thread Rob Kimberley
Forgot to mention the low noise floor in the article!!

Rob Kimberley



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Re: [time-nuts] Fury PR in GPS World... Part 2

2007-07-19 Thread SAIDJACK
 
In a message dated 7/19/2007 00:32:15 Pacific Daylight Time,  
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Forgot to mention the low noise floor in the  article!!

Rob Kimberley



Hi Rob,
 
thanks for the pointer, even we didn't know we can reach 1155dBc/Hz! But  
check out our 1112 accuracy as well :) The guys at the wire service are  
definitely not time-nuts.
 
BTW: we do offer Fury with SMA connectors instead of the internal OCXO so a  
user can use their own (10811 etc) OCXO. We've evaluated disciplining even  
Rb's with this setup successfully.
 
The SMA Fury building block will be cheaper than the standard Fury of  
course, but pricing has not yet been fixed for it.
 
bye,
Said



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Re: [time-nuts] Fury PR in GPS World... Part 2

2007-07-19 Thread SAIDJACK
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In a message dated 7/19/2007 16:37:05 Pacific Daylight Time,  
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Do I  understand that a version is available 
that takes in an external 10MHz  clock and internally disciplines that 
to GPS?  Perhaps by DDS  techniques?

Regards,

Peter



Hi Peter,
 
Thanks so much for your question! Let me try to explain how Fury can be  used:
 
We can steer an external 10MHz source with an analog voltage (0V to 5) with  
24+ bits of resolution, so the actual disciplining is happening in the 
external  steerable source via EFC voltage from the Fury.
 
There are two ways an external source can be used: the first is to remove  
the on-board GPS receiver, and feed an external 1PPS into the unit (say from a  
dirty Rubidium that needs to be cleaned up). This is often done where GPS  
reception could be denied (military apps for example). The Fury has a  1PPS 
input 
connector for this purpose.
 
In the second option we remove the on-board OCXO, and replace it with two  
SMA connectors, one is used to feed 10MHz into the Fury from the external OCXO, 
 
the other feeds the EFC control voltage (0V to 5V) to the OCXO for  steering.
 
The steering is done through a 24+ bits DAC into the OCXO, so there is no  
DDS on the Fury. The OCXO can be anything as long as it has 10MHz  output and 
is 
steerable. It can be a Rb or Cs, Cs Fountain, SAW  oscillator, etc. :) 
Actually, with a slight firmware change we can  discipline almost any 
oscillator 
from 1MHz to 15MHz+ if we had to.
 
It's a more traditional analog steering using the OCXO itself. I understand  
that the DDS method is patent-protected, and it also has the drawback of  
requiring a fast DDS running at some GPS-asynchronous frequency (say 400MHz, or 
 
1GHz) which could create noise and beat frequencies with the steered 10MHz  
output. The DDS implementation is also a sampled-data system,  so issues such 
as 
aliasing, Nyquist issues, Spurs, etc. have to be  carefully addressed not to 
show up in the -155dBc/Hz or better noise-floor we  are aiming for.
 
I personally like the simple, but elegant Varacter-Diode steered-Crystal  
solution better than having a DDS do the trick. 
 
That said, our FireFox DDS-based synthesizer can generate signals with 10  
microhertz resolution, and is controllable via SCPI commands over RS-232, so  
with a bit of software running on a PC (etc) and an external phase-comparator 
it 
 could be used to generate a software-steerable GPSDO.
 
Hope this answers your question,
thanks again,
bye,
Said



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Re: [time-nuts] Fury PR in GPS World... Part 2

2007-07-19 Thread Magnus Danielson
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Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:18:03 EDT
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Said,

 The steering is done through a 24+ bits DAC into the OCXO, so there is no  
 DDS on the Fury. The OCXO can be anything as long as it has 10MHz  output and 
 is 
 steerable. It can be a Rb or Cs, Cs Fountain, SAW  oscillator, etc. :) 

Maybe I could consider it if you toss a Cs Foutain or two with it from your
spare heap of things. One should really have three, that would be
spectacular! :-)

Cheers,
Magnus

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