Re: [time-nuts] Fw: What's the latest correct PICTIC II Mouserproject?-Heathkid

2010-08-15 Thread Heathkid

Thanks Stanley,

I placed the Mouser order tonight (based on Bob Camp's project he 
updated).  I'm no expert either... but I'd still like to know what are the 
best options for an enclosure and external connectors...  The rest I'll 
leave up to it all being relative and it is what it is...


73 Brice KA8MAV

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1) I have no previous experience building precision anything, I'm not an 
expert.


2) My guess is the design expects quality components and depends on the auto
calibration to correct any component drift.

Short term stability between calibrations is what we want. The absolute 
value of


C16 and C17 is not as important as it's stability in leakage and value.


Guess we could put the didoes in a constant temp oven but not sure all the
components are more stable at higher temps.

Good ideas about didoes here :
http://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-projects/project_ideas/Elec_p033.shtml


(note Figure 3 and how the didoes voltage drop is more linear at higher 
temps vs


room temp.)

Stanley






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Sent: Sat, August 14, 2010 10:43:15 AM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] What's the latest correct PICTIC II Mouserproject?-
Heathkid

Okay Stanley... I've got a Tektronix 370A curve tracer at work. So the 
diodes

need to be matched? No problem.

So I match the diodes and the resistors to within 0.001%. Are there any 
other
components that need matched? Also, you mentioned using hemostats as 
heatsinks

on the diodes while installing them. I know that diodes make very good
temperature sensors as well. Are there any suggestions on keeping them 
stable
after they are on the board? What is the recommended operating temperature 
of

the PICTIC II?

Thanks.

73 Brice KA8MAV

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Heathkid


snip

Maybe we should buy lots of diodes to match them, they are relative cheap, 
also
use extra care installing them. Using hemostats as heat sinks and just 
enough
heat for a good connection do not want to damage/change them after the 
match.


Stanley

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[time-nuts] Fw: What's the latest correct PICTIC II Mouserproject?- Heathkid

2010-08-14 Thread Stanley Reynolds

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Subject: Re: [time-nuts] What's the latest correct PICTIC II Mouserproject?- 
Heathkid


1) I have no previous experience building precision anything, I'm not an expert.

2) My guess is the design expects quality components and depends on the auto 
calibration to correct any component drift.

Short term stability between calibrations is what we want. The absolute value 
of 

C16 and C17 is not as important as it's stability in leakage and value. 


Guess we could put the didoes in a constant temp oven but not sure all the 
components are more stable at higher temps.

Good ideas about didoes here : 
http://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-projects/project_ideas/Elec_p033.shtml


(note Figure 3 and how the didoes voltage drop is more linear at higher temps 
vs 

room temp.)

Stanley

 




From: Heathkid heath...@heathkid.com
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Sat, August 14, 2010 10:43:15 AM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] What's the latest correct PICTIC II Mouserproject?- 
Heathkid

Okay Stanley... I've got a Tektronix 370A curve tracer at work.  So the diodes 
need to be matched?  No problem.

So I match the diodes and the resistors to within 0.001%.  Are there any other 
components that need matched?  Also, you mentioned using hemostats as heatsinks 
on the diodes while installing them.  I know that diodes make very good 
temperature sensors as well.  Are there any suggestions on keeping them stable 
after they are on the board?  What is the recommended operating temperature of 
the PICTIC II?

Thanks.

73 Brice KA8MAV

- Original Message - From: Stanley Reynolds 
stanley_reyno...@yahoo.com
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] What's the latest correct PICTIC II Mouserproject?- 
Heathkid


snip

Maybe we should buy lots of diodes to match them, they are relative cheap, also
use extra care installing them. Using hemostats as heat sinks and just enough
heat for a good connection do not want to damage/change them after the match.

Stanley 

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