Re: [time-nuts] MIT RADIATION LABORATORY SERIES 1940-1945 (28 VOLS) on eBay
I see the price has come down to $500 now. Still out of my range though. Steve On 13 July 2011 14:20, Mike Feher mfe...@eozinc.com wrote: A guy is offering a complete set item # 320727122967 on eBay. I already have one complete set and lots of duplicates, otherwise I would jump at it. I like the hard copy a lot better than trying to read them on-line. Regards - Mike Mike B. Feher, EOZ Inc. 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 office 908-902-3831 cell ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] MIT RADIATION LABORATORY SERIES 1940-1945 (28 VOLS) on eBay
It's a shame these, and other elderly scholarly works, can't just be released for the greater good, without all this red tape tying them down. I wonder how much better the world would advance if we could all go back to the days when we shared knowledge and skills freely between engineers before all the lawyers became involved. Does anyone else remember the hay days I wonder... Steve On 14 July 2011 16:32, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 7/13/11 12:13 PM, Chuck Harris wrote: I can conceive of a case where a publisher like McGraw-Hill's copyrighted book full of public domain IP could be copied if you used your own type font, and formatting of pages, pictures and text, etc... This is precisely the case with West Publishing and various and sundry law books. Where West has a hook (aside from having good search engines and cross referencing) is that citations in cases and pleadings, etc., use the West system for page/line and so forth. The codes are perfectly free to copy, but if you don't arrange exactly as West does, then the cites don't match up. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] MIT RADIATION LABORATORY SERIES 1940-1945 (28 VOLS) on eBay
I agree, and have worked toward that end, but those who do the scanning (and file cleanup) sometimes seem to think they acquire ownership of the documents in that process. This leads to problems. Been there, done that. -John == It's a shame these, and other elderly scholarly works, can't just be released for the greater good, without all this red tape tying them down. I wonder how much better the world would advance if we could all go back to the days when we shared knowledge and skills freely between engineers before all the lawyers became involved. Does anyone else remember the hay days I wonder... Steve On 14 July 2011 16:32, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 7/13/11 12:13 PM, Chuck Harris wrote: I can conceive of a case where a publisher like McGraw-Hill's copyrighted book full of public domain IP could be copied if you used your own type font, and formatting of pages, pictures and text, etc... This is precisely the case with West Publishing and various and sundry law books. Where West has a hook (aside from having good search engines and cross referencing) is that citations in cases and pleadings, etc., use the West system for page/line and so forth. The codes are perfectly free to copy, but if you don't arrange exactly as West does, then the cites don't match up. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] MIT RADIATION LABORATORY SERIES 1940-1945 (28 VOLS) on eBay
Shame, isn't it, but they deserve something for the effort they put in. What is needed is the open-source approach to scanning and cleaning up these works. Lots of people putting in a little bit of coordinated effort and releasing the finished product under an open license so that it cannot be locked up by anyone. Steve On 15 July 2011 01:24, J. Forster j...@quik.com wrote: I agree, and have worked toward that end, but those who do the scanning (and file cleanup) sometimes seem to think they acquire ownership of the documents in that process. This leads to problems. Been there, done that. -John == It's a shame these, and other elderly scholarly works, can't just be released for the greater good, without all this red tape tying them down. I wonder how much better the world would advance if we could all go back to the days when we shared knowledge and skills freely between engineers before all the lawyers became involved. Does anyone else remember the hay days I wonder... Steve On 14 July 2011 16:32, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 7/13/11 12:13 PM, Chuck Harris wrote: I can conceive of a case where a publisher like McGraw-Hill's copyrighted book full of public domain IP could be copied if you used your own type font, and formatting of pages, pictures and text, etc... This is precisely the case with West Publishing and various and sundry law books. Where West has a hook (aside from having good search engines and cross referencing) is that citations in cases and pleadings, etc., use the West system for page/line and so forth. The codes are perfectly free to copy, but if you don't arrange exactly as West does, then the cites don't match up. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] MIT RADIATION LABORATORY SERIES 1940-1945 (28 VOLS) on eBay
On 7/14/11 6:08 AM, Steve Rooke wrote: It's a shame these, and other elderly scholarly works, can't just be released for the greater good, without all this red tape tying them down. I wonder how much better the world would advance if we could all go back to the days when we shared knowledge and skills freely between engineers before all the lawyers became involved. Does anyone else remember the hay days I wonder... Oh yeah.. I remember how wonderful all that was..I think, overall, we're a lot better off today Getting on the bus or driving for an hour or more to go to a library which happened to have a copy, and then taking notes by hand from a bound journal after waiting for it to be retrieved from the stacks. Waiting for several weeks while an interlibrary loan was processed and they mailed it to you. Paying a nickle or dime a page in the 1970s ($.50/page today) for a crummy greasy copy of a not very wonderful microfiche image. Even as recently as the mid 90s, it was very difficult to get online access to most things. Search databases have been around for quite a while, and you could get the abstract sort of online, but then you'd have to request the article from someone like University Microfilms or hunt it down at a local library. And I think it's wonderful that most universities put dissertations online now. The typical Chapter 2 of a dissertation where the author reviews the literature and current state of knowledge is a gold mine for tracking down stuff, and for half way decent synthesis of a bunch of stuff together. I will say that it was fun to get the postcards in the mail from all over the world asking for a reprint of your paper. Now, they just send you whining emails asking why the link on your website is so slow or broken. And, letters asking for permission to cite or copy a figure.. they're pretty rare. Instead, you find your words in someone else's work when googling, send them a nice note asking for attribution, and get an offended, it was on the web, so I used it, whaddya gonna do'bout it.. I'm just codger-like this morning.. get offa my lawn you whippersnappers ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] MIT RADIATION LABORATORY SERIES 1940-1945 (28 VOLS) on eBay
I think you missed my point Jim, sorry if I had not made it clear. Steve On 15 July 2011 02:51, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 7/14/11 6:08 AM, Steve Rooke wrote: It's a shame these, and other elderly scholarly works, can't just be released for the greater good, without all this red tape tying them down. I wonder how much better the world would advance if we could all go back to the days when we shared knowledge and skills freely between engineers before all the lawyers became involved. Does anyone else remember the hay days I wonder... Oh yeah.. I remember how wonderful all that was..I think, overall, we're a lot better off today Getting on the bus or driving for an hour or more to go to a library which happened to have a copy, and then taking notes by hand from a bound journal after waiting for it to be retrieved from the stacks. Waiting for several weeks while an interlibrary loan was processed and they mailed it to you. Paying a nickle or dime a page in the 1970s ($.50/page today) for a crummy greasy copy of a not very wonderful microfiche image. Even as recently as the mid 90s, it was very difficult to get online access to most things. Search databases have been around for quite a while, and you could get the abstract sort of online, but then you'd have to request the article from someone like University Microfilms or hunt it down at a local library. And I think it's wonderful that most universities put dissertations online now. The typical Chapter 2 of a dissertation where the author reviews the literature and current state of knowledge is a gold mine for tracking down stuff, and for half way decent synthesis of a bunch of stuff together. I will say that it was fun to get the postcards in the mail from all over the world asking for a reprint of your paper. Now, they just send you whining emails asking why the link on your website is so slow or broken. And, letters asking for permission to cite or copy a figure.. they're pretty rare. Instead, you find your words in someone else's work when googling, send them a nice note asking for attribution, and get an offended, it was on the web, so I used it, whaddya gonna do'bout it.. I'm just codger-like this morning.. get offa my lawn you whippersnappers ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] MIT RADIATION LABORATORY SERIES 1940-1945 (28 VOLS) on eBay
Wow - that's a nice set. I wonder if its really NOS (new old stock) as advertised - the jacket of one book looks more faded than the others. I picked up a set that is pieced together (some ex-library) a few years ago for $500. People (family) give me crap about it as a waste of money and nerdy, but to me, its no different than art on the wall, if not a hell of a lot more practical. BTW - the only volume I am missing is 28 (also vol 3 radar beacons, which is the ex library copy) - which is the indices that were printed later. If anyone has one or an extra (Mike/Paul), I'd be interested in it. Time nuts? Volume 20 - Electronic Time Measurements (sort of). Brent On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: Bill Hawkins wrote: What does this have to do with time, you ask? Why, only that the passage of time alters men's passions. Yeah, I've had dates like that. H ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] MIT RADIATION LABORATORY SERIES 1940-1945 (28 VOLS) on eBay
there is a Yahoo Group, MIT-Rad-Lab-Books where you might get lucky on the missing volumes. There was a complete, scanned set on two CDs around also. The copyright status is unknown though. Oh, the books do also cover LORAN (but -A not -C). -John Wow - that's a nice set. I wonder if its really NOS (new old stock) as advertised - the jacket of one book looks more faded than the others. I picked up a set that is pieced together (some ex-library) a few years ago for $500. People (family) give me crap about it as a waste of money and nerdy, but to me, its no different than art on the wall, if not a hell of a lot more practical. BTW - the only volume I am missing is 28 (also vol 3 radar beacons, which is the ex library copy) - which is the indices that were printed later. If anyone has one or an extra (Mike/Paul), I'd be interested in it. Time nuts? Volume 20 - Electronic Time Measurements (sort of). Brent On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: Bill Hawkins wrote: What does this have to do with time, you ask? Why, only that the passage of time alters men's passions. Yeah, I've had dates like that. H ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] MIT RADIATION LABORATORY SERIES 1940-1945 (28 VOLS) on eBay
On 7/13/11 6:55 AM, J. Forster wrote: there is a Yahoo Group, MIT-Rad-Lab-Books where you might get lucky on the missing volumes. There was a complete, scanned set on two CDs around also. The copyright status is unknown though. Have to check for sure, but they might be non-copyright. Were they funded by the U.S.Govt, for instance? (from one web page, which I recognize is not authoritative, After the end of World War II, the United States government continued to pay key people who had worked at the Radiation Laboratory for six months to enable them to write about their work.) on the other hand, one would think that it would be readily findable on the web if it were out of copyright. THere are links to sites which no longer exist, so methinks it's in copyright and MIT is out assiduously asking people to take down their copies when they find them. (they tend to be at researchy kinds of places.. Jefferson Labs, UCSD, etc.) The CDs themselves are almost certainly copyrighted.. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] MIT RADIATION LABORATORY SERIES 1940-1945 (28 VOLS) on eBay
I worked at MIT in the Research Lab for Electronics (RLE) and the Physics Dept from 1960 to 1968. When the RLE Library was downsizing they pitched several complete sets of the Rad Lab Series. At the time I was not into old books . 73, Dick, W1KSZ -Original Message- From: J. Forster j...@quik.com Sent: Jul 13, 2011 6:55 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] MIT RADIATION LABORATORY SERIES 1940-1945 (28 VOLS) on eBay there is a Yahoo Group, MIT-Rad-Lab-Books where you might get lucky on the missing volumes. There was a complete, scanned set on two CDs around also. The copyright status is unknown though. Oh, the books do also cover LORAN (but -A not -C). -John Wow - that's a nice set. I wonder if its really NOS (new old stock) as advertised - the jacket of one book looks more faded than the others. I picked up a set that is pieced together (some ex-library) a few years ago for $500. People (family) give me crap about it as a waste of money and nerdy, but to me, its no different than art on the wall, if not a hell of a lot more practical. BTW - the only volume I am missing is 28 (also vol 3 radar beacons, which is the ex library copy) - which is the indices that were printed later. If anyone has one or an extra (Mike/Paul), I'd be interested in it. Time nuts? Volume 20 - Electronic Time Measurements (sort of). Brent On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: Bill Hawkins wrote: What does this have to do with time, you ask? Why, only that the passage of time alters men's passions. Yeah, I've had dates like that. H ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] MIT RADIATION LABORATORY SERIES 1940-1945 (28 VOLS) on eBay
Thanks Yup CDs at a reasonable cost would be interesting. Granted a pain to read but this is really just out of interest and history. Though I have seen some really poor jobs of encoding. By the way I have enjoyed skimming through the LORAN A radlab doc. I'll have to try a google search and see what pops up. Thanks On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 9:55 AM, J. Forster j...@quik.com wrote: there is a Yahoo Group, MIT-Rad-Lab-Books where you might get lucky on the missing volumes. There was a complete, scanned set on two CDs around also. The copyright status is unknown though. Oh, the books do also cover LORAN (but -A not -C). -John Wow - that's a nice set. I wonder if its really NOS (new old stock) as advertised - the jacket of one book looks more faded than the others. I picked up a set that is pieced together (some ex-library) a few years ago for $500. People (family) give me crap about it as a waste of money and nerdy, but to me, its no different than art on the wall, if not a hell of a lot more practical. BTW - the only volume I am missing is 28 (also vol 3 radar beacons, which is the ex library copy) - which is the indices that were printed later. If anyone has one or an extra (Mike/Paul), I'd be interested in it. Time nuts? Volume 20 - Electronic Time Measurements (sort of). Brent On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: Bill Hawkins wrote: What does this have to do with time, you ask? Why, only that the passage of time alters men's passions. Yeah, I've had dates like that. H ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] MIT RADIATION LABORATORY SERIES 1940-1945 (28 VOLS) on eBay
That is apparently the case for the HC books. I'm not so sure about the CDs. A friend who is an IP attorney has told me that if you scan something, you cannot copyright the scan. You can copyright any new content you add. FWIW, -John On 7/13/11 6:55 AM, J. Forster wrote: there is a Yahoo Group, MIT-Rad-Lab-Books where you might get lucky on the missing volumes. There was a complete, scanned set on two CDs around also. The copyright status is unknown though. Have to check for sure, but they might be non-copyright. Were they funded by the U.S.Govt, for instance? (from one web page, which I recognize is not authoritative, After the end of World War II, the United States government continued to pay key people who had worked at the Radiation Laboratory for six months to enable them to write about their work.) on the other hand, one would think that it would be readily findable on the web if it were out of copyright. THere are links to sites which no longer exist, so methinks it's in copyright and MIT is out assiduously asking people to take down their copies when they find them. (they tend to be at researchy kinds of places.. Jefferson Labs, UCSD, etc.) The CDs themselves are almost certainly copyrighted.. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] MIT RADIATION LABORATORY SERIES 1940-1945 (28 VOLS) on eBay
The original series was copyrighted 1947 by McGraw-Hill Book Company. The agreement with the government was the copyright would later be lifted. I know in 1964 the grey colored small size book series were printed by Boston Technical Publishers, Inc. with no copyright. John WA4WDL -- From: Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:23 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] MIT RADIATION LABORATORY SERIES 1940-1945 (28 VOLS) on eBay On 7/13/11 6:55 AM, J. Forster wrote: there is a Yahoo Group, MIT-Rad-Lab-Books where you might get lucky on the missing volumes. There was a complete, scanned set on two CDs around also. The copyright status is unknown though. Have to check for sure, but they might be non-copyright. Were they funded by the U.S.Govt, for instance? (from one web page, which I recognize is not authoritative, After the end of World War II, the United States government continued to pay key people who had worked at the Radiation Laboratory for six months to enable them to write about their work.) on the other hand, one would think that it would be readily findable on the web if it were out of copyright. THere are links to sites which no longer exist, so methinks it's in copyright and MIT is out assiduously asking people to take down their copies when they find them. (they tend to be at researchy kinds of places.. Jefferson Labs, UCSD, etc.) The CDs themselves are almost certainly copyrighted.. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] MIT RADIATION LABORATORY SERIES 1940-1945 (28 VOLS) on eBay
I just ran into one of our attorneys in the hallway. Copyright refers to the intellectual property, not to the medium. The fact that the intellectual property of the author is moved from a book to a CD does not affect copyright, so long as the content is not otherwise altered. Think about it; if your friend's contention were true, we could all dodge copyright restrictions simply by photocopying (scanning) the material we wished to appropriate. On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 11:02 AM, J. Forster j...@quik.com wrote: That is apparently the case for the HC books. I'm not so sure about the CDs. A friend who is an IP attorney has told me that if you scan something, you cannot copyright the scan. You can copyright any new content you add. FWIW, -John On 7/13/11 6:55 AM, J. Forster wrote: there is a Yahoo Group, MIT-Rad-Lab-Books where you might get lucky on the missing volumes. There was a complete, scanned set on two CDs around also. The copyright status is unknown though. Have to check for sure, but they might be non-copyright. Were they funded by the U.S.Govt, for instance? (from one web page, which I recognize is not authoritative, After the end of World War II, the United States government continued to pay key people who had worked at the Radiation Laboratory for six months to enable them to write about their work.) on the other hand, one would think that it would be readily findable on the web if it were out of copyright. THere are links to sites which no longer exist, so methinks it's in copyright and MIT is out assiduously asking people to take down their copies when they find them. (they tend to be at researchy kinds of places.. Jefferson Labs, UCSD, etc.) The CDs themselves are almost certainly copyrighted.. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] MIT RADIATION LABORATORY SERIES 1940-1945 (28 VOLS) on eBay
On 7/13/11 8:02 AM, J. Forster wrote: That is apparently the case for the HC books. I'm not so sure about the CDs. A friend who is an IP attorney has told me that if you scan something, you cannot copyright the scan. You can copyright any new content you add. And you could copyright the arrangement of the stuff on the CD (say, with indices or a top level directory).. The files on the CD itself, though, probably not. So you couldn't make a bit for bit copy of the CD, but you could copy all the (non-copyright) files to your hard disk, then burn another CD... Walnut Creek CD-ROM is, I believe, a poster child in the case law, although I can't remember if they were the plaintiff or defendant, or just how it all worked.. This assumes the radlab series is out of copyright, of course.. and that's not certain... they're not quite old enough to be sure (before 1923, and nothing is copyright any more...) If the book(s) are not in print any more...One might also be able to legally make a copy (or scan) of the hardcopy, if you can find it, if you are a library.. The RL series is probably legitimately in the rare and hard-to-find bucket that so many technical books fit in. If you (or your library) does this kind of thing, they're probably in a position to make the call about it. (e.g. one copy on eBay at $10k and 30 copies scattered in libraries around the country probably qualifies for the exception... 30 copies on eBay and Amazon at $100 each probably does not) (I've often wondered exactly what you have to do to be a library under that section of the copyright law.. probably there's no legal standard, short of hiring enough attorney horsepower to fight off the invaders who say you aren't) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] MIT RADIATION LABORATORY SERIES 1940-1945 (28 VOLS) on eBay
On 7/13/11 8:05 AM, jmfranke wrote: The original series was copyrighted 1947 by McGraw-Hill Book Company. The agreement with the government was the copyright would later be lifted. I know in 1964 the grey colored small size book series were printed by Boston Technical Publishers, Inc. with no copyright. SO the burning question would be where is that original agrement.. (because MIT will probably not want to go digging through their files to confirm or deny..) It might well be that McGraw-Hill holds the copyright on that particular printed form (i.e. pagination, etc.) but not the contents (e.g. Westlaw can copyright their lawbooks, but not the underlying actual legal codes) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] MIT RADIATION LABORATORY SERIES 1940-1945 (28 VOLS) on eBay
In message 4e1db79a.9030...@earthlink.net, Jim Lux writes: On 7/13/11 8:02 AM, J. Forster wrote: Walnut Creek CD-ROM is, I believe, a poster child in the case law, although I can't remember if they were the plaintiff or defendant, or just how it all worked.. As far as I recall, they were defendant and the crux of their victory was that they added an index with explanations to all the files on the CD. PS: http://www.bunkerofdoom.com/lit/mitser/ -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] MIT RADIATION LABORATORY SERIES 1940-1945 (28 VOLS) on eBay
In message 1530.12.6.201.127.1310569355.squir...@popaccts.quikus.com, J. For ster writes: I'm not so sure about the CDs. A friend who is an IP attorney has told me that if you scan something, you cannot copyright the scan. You can copyright any new content you add. You can copyright a collection independent of its component works, but that will probably not work if you just put a preexisting collection into a different media. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On 13 July 2011 14:20, Mike Feher mfe...@eozinc.com wrote: A guy is offering a complete set item # 320727122967 on eBay. I already have one complete set and lots of duplicates, otherwise I would jump at it. I like the hard copy a lot better than trying to read them on-line. Regards - Drat! There I was going to put a bid down and I see they are only available to the United States :) Steve Mike Mike B. Feher, EOZ Inc. 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 office 908-902-3831 cell ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I left out something. The question about scanning concerned originally uncopyrighted material, like military instruction manuals. My guy concluded, if the original was not copyright, a CD version of it could not be copyright, except for any added new material. -John I just ran into one of our attorneys in the hallway. Copyright refers to the intellectual property, not to the medium. The fact that the intellectual property of the author is moved from a book to a CD does not affect copyright, so long as the content is not otherwise altered. Think about it; if your friend's contention were true, we could all dodge copyright restrictions simply by photocopying (scanning) the material we wished to appropriate. On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 11:02 AM, J. Forster j...@quik.com wrote: That is apparently the case for the HC books. I'm not so sure about the CDs. A friend who is an IP attorney has told me that if you scan something, you cannot copyright the scan. You can copyright any new content you add. FWIW, -John On 7/13/11 6:55 AM, J. Forster wrote: there is a Yahoo Group, MIT-Rad-Lab-Books where you might get lucky on the missing volumes. There was a complete, scanned set on two CDs around also. The copyright status is unknown though. Have to check for sure, but they might be non-copyright. Were they funded by the U.S.Govt, for instance? (from one web page, which I recognize is not authoritative, After the end of World War II, the United States government continued to pay key people who had worked at the Radiation Laboratory for six months to enable them to write about their work.) on the other hand, one would think that it would be readily findable on the web if it were out of copyright. THere are links to sites which no longer exist, so methinks it's in copyright and MIT is out assiduously asking people to take down their copies when they find them. (they tend to be at researchy kinds of places.. Jefferson Labs, UCSD, etc.) The CDs themselves are almost certainly copyrighted.. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On 7/13/2011 8:28 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: PS: http://www.bunkerofdoom.com/lit/mitser/ Thank you for that link Poul-Henning, I had not turned that up in my searches. It's nice to have it available, even if some of the pictures have gone all black and can't be read. But the price is right :^) The PPI picture from 0457 Hours on the 6th June 1944 of the English Channel in my paper copy of Volume 2 is a classic. Dan ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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The copyright lapsing after 10 years statement is in the front of most of the red version of the books. -John On 7/13/11 8:05 AM, jmfranke wrote: The original series was copyrighted 1947 by McGraw-Hill Book Company. The agreement with the government was the copyright would later be lifted. I know in 1964 the grey colored small size book series were printed by Boston Technical Publishers, Inc. with no copyright. SO the burning question would be where is that original agrement.. (because MIT will probably not want to go digging through their files to confirm or deny..) It might well be that McGraw-Hill holds the copyright on that particular printed form (i.e. pagination, etc.) but not the contents (e.g. Westlaw can copyright their lawbooks, but not the underlying actual legal codes) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Dan, I set up the MIT-Rad-Lab-Books Group on Yahoo to address precisely that issue... the poor quality of the image scans. Our hope was (and still is) to rescan the images in the original books and replace the poor scans with better quality, more useful, ones. Best, -John == On 7/13/2011 8:28 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: PS: http://www.bunkerofdoom.com/lit/mitser/ Thank you for that link Poul-Henning, I had not turned that up in my searches. It's nice to have it available, even if some of the pictures have gone all black and can't be read. But the price is right :^) The PPI picture from 0457 Hours on the 6th June 1944 of the English Channel in my paper copy of Volume 2 is a classic. Dan ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Bill, You are reading John's statement incorrectly. He is saying that all of these guys that are scanning copyrighted (or public domain) material are not eligible for a copyright just for doing the scanning That would be like the saying the company that makes the printer (let's say Xerox) is eligible for a copyright on material printed on their printers but rather their only right to copyright is for IP material that they add to the original document, not the original document. Groups like McGraw-Hill may not own the IP that is in their books, but they do own the presentation, with its arrangement of pictures, typefaces, and arrangement or text on the pages, etc.. I can conceive of a case where a publisher like McGraw-Hill's copyrighted book full of public domain IP could be copied if you used your own type font, and formatting of pages, pictures and text, etc... -Chuck Harris William H. Fite wrote: I just ran into one of our attorneys in the hallway. Copyright refers to the intellectual property, not to the medium. The fact that the intellectual property of the author is moved from a book to a CD does not affect copyright, so long as the content is not otherwise altered. Think about it; if your friend's contention were true, we could all dodge copyright restrictions simply by photocopying (scanning) the material we wished to appropriate. On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 11:02 AM, J. Forsterj...@quik.com wrote: That is apparently the case for the HC books. I'm not so sure about the CDs. A friend who is an IP attorney has told me that if you scan something, you cannot copyright the scan. You can copyright any new content you add. FWIW, -John ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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There is an oops, Chuck, otherwise yes. -John === Bill, You are reading John's statement incorrectly. He is saying that all of these guys that are scanning un- copyrighted (or public domain) material are not eligible for a copyright just for doing the scanning That would be like the saying the company that makes the printer (let's say Xerox) is eligible for a copyright on material printed on their printers but rather their only right to copyright is for IP material that they add to the original document, not the original document. Groups like McGraw-Hill may not own the IP that is in their books, but they do own the presentation, with its arrangement of pictures, typefaces, and arrangement or text on the pages, etc.. I can conceive of a case where a publisher like McGraw-Hill's copyrighted book full of public domain IP could be copied if you used your own type font, and formatting of pages, pictures and text, etc... -Chuck Harris William H. Fite wrote: I just ran into one of our attorneys in the hallway. Copyright refers to the intellectual property, not to the medium. The fact that the intellectual property of the author is moved from a book to a CD does not affect copyright, so long as the content is not otherwise altered. Think about it; if your friend's contention were true, we could all dodge copyright restrictions simply by photocopying (scanning) the material we wished to appropriate. On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 11:02 AM, J. Forsterj...@quik.com wrote: That is apparently the case for the HC books. I'm not so sure about the CDs. A friend who is an IP attorney has told me that if you scan something, you cannot copyright the scan. You can copyright any new content you add. FWIW, -John ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Thanks, Chuck, and sorry, John. I did, indeed, misunderstand and you are entirely correct. Bill On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Chuck Harris cfhar...@erols.com wrote: Bill, You are reading John's statement incorrectly. He is saying that all of these guys that are scanning copyrighted (or public domain) material are not eligible for a copyright just for doing the scanning That would be like the saying the company that makes the printer (let's say Xerox) is eligible for a copyright on material printed on their printers but rather their only right to copyright is for IP material that they add to the original document, not the original document. Groups like McGraw-Hill may not own the IP that is in their books, but they do own the presentation, with its arrangement of pictures, typefaces, and arrangement or text on the pages, etc.. I can conceive of a case where a publisher like McGraw-Hill's copyrighted book full of public domain IP could be copied if you used your own type font, and formatting of pages, pictures and text, etc... -Chuck Harris William H. Fite wrote: I just ran into one of our attorneys in the hallway. Copyright refers to the intellectual property, not to the medium. The fact that the intellectual property of the author is moved from a book to a CD does not affect copyright, so long as the content is not otherwise altered. Think about it; if your friend's contention were true, we could all dodge copyright restrictions simply by photocopying (scanning) the material we wished to appropriate. On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 11:02 AM, J. Forsterj...@quik.com wrote: That is apparently the case for the HC books. I'm not so sure about the CDs. A friend who is an IP attorney has told me that if you scan something, you cannot copyright the scan. You can copyright any new content you add. FWIW, -John __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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In message 4e1dee43.3070...@erols.com, Chuck Harris writes: I can conceive of a case where a publisher like McGraw-Hill's copyrighted book full of public domain IP could be copied if you used your own type font, and formatting of pages, pictures and text, etc... Yeah, well, maybe... The crux of this case is that it has to be humans doing it. Just OCR'eing the book and letting a computer reformat the words to a different page-layout is unlikely to earn you a copyright. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Of course. As yet we haven't (I think?) awarded any copyrights, or other rights, to machines for their artistic abilities. -Chuck Harris Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message4e1dee43.3070...@erols.com, Chuck Harris writes: I can conceive of a case where a publisher like McGraw-Hill's copyrighted book full of public domain IP could be copied if you used your own type font, and formatting of pages, pictures and text, etc... Yeah, well, maybe... The crux of this case is that it has to be humans doing it. Just OCR'eing the book and letting a computer reformat the words to a different page-layout is unlikely to earn you a copyright. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Any OCR I've seen would take a lot of human intervention, even with a clean original. -John = In message 4e1dee43.3070...@erols.com, Chuck Harris writes: I can conceive of a case where a publisher like McGraw-Hill's copyrighted book full of public domain IP could be copied if you used your own type font, and formatting of pages, pictures and text, etc... Yeah, well, maybe... The crux of this case is that it has to be humans doing it. Just OCR'eing the book and letting a computer reformat the words to a different page-layout is unlikely to earn you a copyright. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Mandelbrot (? Sp) Sets? -John == Of course. As yet we haven't (I think?) awarded any copyrights, or other rights, to machines for their artistic abilities. -Chuck Harris Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message4e1dee43.3070...@erols.com, Chuck Harris writes: I can conceive of a case where a publisher like McGraw-Hill's copyrighted book full of public domain IP could be copied if you used your own type font, and formatting of pages, pictures and text, etc... Yeah, well, maybe... The crux of this case is that it has to be humans doing it. Just OCR'eing the book and letting a computer reformat the words to a different page-layout is unlikely to earn you a copyright. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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In message 2272.12.6.201.69.1310585470.squir...@popaccts.quikus.com, J. Fors ter writes: Any OCR I've seen would take a lot of human intervention, even with a clean original. That's probably not true. The point being that you will not notice the results of really good OCR, you only notice mediocre OCR. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] MIT RADIATION LABORATORY SERIES 1940-1945 (28 VOLS) on eBay
Chuck, If the work is still under a copyright, and you copy it by hand, or type it, word for word, changing the font, layout, etc., they still consider it plagerism, and it's still a copyright infringement. About all you can get by with is quoting something you read, and then you are supposed to give the author their due credit. However, if the copyright has been dropped, lets say in the case of these, with someone elses work added, all you have to do is recopy all the un-copyrighted work from the disc, while removeing their added work, place it on a CD, and you can sale or give the CD to anyone. There's a bunch of uncopyrighted work becoming available now, and folks are reprinting it, or scanning it, and putting it on CD. I worked with a publisher in Columbus, OH, and wrote a new forward for an old book titled, Electromagnetics, and it may now be on ebay for sale. I got paid hansomly for that work too. With this, though, I think he may be able to add a new copyright to an old work, just over my new forward, or at least to what I wrote. In essence, I sold my rights to them. Since its a printed book, I don't know what that would entail legality wise. Best, Will *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 7/13/2011 at 3:13 PM Chuck Harris wrote: Bill, You are reading John's statement incorrectly. He is saying that all of these guys that are scanning copyrighted (or public domain) material are not eligible for a copyright just for doing the scanning That would be like the saying the company that makes the printer (let's say Xerox) is eligible for a copyright on material printed on their printers but rather their only right to copyright is for IP material that they add to the original document, not the original document. Groups like McGraw-Hill may not own the IP that is in their books, but they do own the presentation, with its arrangement of pictures, typefaces, and arrangement or text on the pages, etc.. I can conceive of a case where a publisher like McGraw-Hill's copyrighted book full of public domain IP could be copied if you used your own type font, and formatting of pages, pictures and text, etc... -Chuck Harris William H. Fite wrote: I just ran into one of our attorneys in the hallway. Copyright refers to the intellectual property, not to the medium. The fact that the intellectual property of the author is moved from a book to a CD does not affect copyright, so long as the content is not otherwise altered. Think about it; if your friend's contention were true, we could all dodge copyright restrictions simply by photocopying (scanning) the material we wished to appropriate. On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 11:02 AM, J. Forsterj...@quik.com wrote: That is apparently the case for the HC books. I'm not so sure about the CDs. A friend who is an IP attorney has told me that if you scan something, you cannot copyright the scan. You can copyright any new content you add. FWIW, -John ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5851 (20110206) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Thanks, I knew I had seen the statement concerning the copyright before. I gave a set, missing only two volumes, to a museum out west. I still have one or two volumes around her somewhere. Thanks, John WA4WDL -- From: J. Forster j...@quik.com Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 1:26 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] MIT RADIATION LABORATORY SERIES 1940-1945 (28 VOLS) on eBay The copyright lapsing after 10 years statement is in the front of most of the red version of the books. -John On 7/13/11 8:05 AM, jmfranke wrote: The original series was copyrighted 1947 by McGraw-Hill Book Company. The agreement with the government was the copyright would later be lifted. I know in 1964 the grey colored small size book series were printed by Boston Technical Publishers, Inc. with no copyright. SO the burning question would be where is that original agrement.. (because MIT will probably not want to go digging through their files to confirm or deny..) It might well be that McGraw-Hill holds the copyright on that particular printed form (i.e. pagination, etc.) but not the contents (e.g. Westlaw can copyright their lawbooks, but not the underlying actual legal codes) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On 7/13/11 12:13 PM, Chuck Harris wrote: I can conceive of a case where a publisher like McGraw-Hill's copyrighted book full of public domain IP could be copied if you used your own type font, and formatting of pages, pictures and text, etc... This is precisely the case with West Publishing and various and sundry law books. Where West has a hook (aside from having good search engines and cross referencing) is that citations in cases and pleadings, etc., use the West system for page/line and so forth. The codes are perfectly free to copy, but if you don't arrange exactly as West does, then the cites don't match up. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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A guy is offering a complete set item # 320727122967 on eBay. I already have one complete set and lots of duplicates, otherwise I would jump at it. I like the hard copy a lot better than trying to read them on-line. Regards - Mike Mike B. Feher, EOZ Inc. 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 office 908-902-3831 cell ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Boy I like hard copy also but afraid an asking price of $900 for the set isn't in this years budget. But some lucky person will snap them up. Nice to see what a set would have looked like. I have stumbled across a few of them and picked them up for $5 or so. Sometimes I just let them go.They were at the MIT flea. But those book sellers are log gone. At the time (hard to believe) I really did not know what they were. But I do these days. Regards Paul On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Mike Feher mfe...@eozinc.com wrote: A guy is offering a complete set item # 320727122967 on eBay. I already have one complete set and lots of duplicates, otherwise I would jump at it. I like the hard copy a lot better than trying to read them on-line. Regards - Mike Mike B. Feher, EOZ Inc. 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 office 908-902-3831 cell ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Y'know, as an MIT grad I once coveted that series. But now that I am 93, I don't give a damn, you see. (Harry Belafonte, on sex education) (actually, I'm 73) So there's $900 that won't be leaving my wallet and aiding the economy by circulating. What does this have to do with time, you ask? Why, only that the passage of time alters men's passions. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: Mike Feher Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 9:21 PM A guy is offering a complete set item # 320727122967 on eBay. I already have one complete set and lots of duplicates, otherwise I would jump at it. I like the hard copy a lot better than trying to read them on-line. Regards - Mike ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Bill Hawkins wrote: What does this have to do with time, you ask? Why, only that the passage of time alters men's passions. Yeah, I've had dates like that. H ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
