[time-nuts] Measurement resolution to be improved

2015-08-02 Thread timeok
Hi,

For the measurement of Allan Deviation my configuration consists of a HP53132A 
and TIMELAB.

I verified that the best resolution is  using the universal counter as a 
frequency counter. 
Using the time interval counter with 1 PPS input is definitely has a more 
precise measurement but the resolution collapses dramatically making useless 
measurements on DUT with good/excellent stability.

I tried to use the Dual Mixer Time Difference but the Phase Wrap   is very 
difficult to manage during the measurements  and so I abandoned the project.
I have no specific experience but it seems to me that a good solution is the 
one applied in the A7 Quartzlock, very expensive machine and hard to find used 
in hobbyist prices.

I'd like to find a solution that would allow me to improve a hundred times or 
more the resolution that I currently have with my setup without sacrificing 
TIMELAB.

The question I ask you is this: is there a solution to this problem with 
features want from me with costs under 1500 dollars/euros?

Luciano
timeok
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Re: [time-nuts] Measurement resolution to be improved

2015-08-02 Thread Bob Camp
Hi


 On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:18 AM, tim...@timeok.it wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 For the measurement of Allan Deviation my configuration consists of a 
 HP53132A and TIMELAB.
 
 I verified that the best resolution is  using the universal counter as a 
 frequency counter. 

True, but the counter “lies to you in this mode when you are doing ADEV.

 Using the time interval counter with 1 PPS input is definitely has a more 
 precise measurement but the resolution collapses dramatically making useless 
 measurements on DUT with good/excellent stability.

The readings in the frequency mode are equally useless for ADEV. The frequency 
estimation process is not compatible with ADEV. 

 I tried to use the Dual Mixer Time Difference but the Phase Wrap   is very 
 difficult to manage during the measurements

On a reasonably stable device with a rational beat note that should not be a 
problem. I suspect that either:

1) Your beat note is to low relative to the frequencies you art trying to 
measure (to much gain)

-and / or-

2) Your beat note is to low relative to the stability of the devices you are 
looking at (again to much gain).

Without more details it’s tough to go much further than those two suggestions. 

  and so I abandoned the project.
 I have no specific experience but it seems to me that a good solution is the 
 one applied in the A7 Quartzlock, very expensive machine and hard to find 
 used in hobbyist prices.
 
 I'd like to find a solution that would allow me to improve a hundred times or 
 more the resolution that I currently have with my setup without sacrificing 
 TIMELAB.

The TimePod from Symmetricom is currently the lowest cost general purpose 
device I know of on the market. 

 
 The question I ask you is this: is there a solution to this problem with 
 features want from me with costs under 1500 dollars/euros?

I’d contact Symmetricom / Microsemi for current prices. 

Bob

 
 Luciano
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