Re: [time-nuts] Needed: The Real Serial USB Fix
For serial to Ethernet I use ser2net [1] on cheap wireless routers using the serial port pads on the board and a Beaglebone. The application I use (u-blox u-center) can use TCP connections, if you require a real COM port on Windows com0com and com2tcp [2] should work. ser2net sends one TCP packet per character received on the serial port, this may be desirable (when you need the lowest latency) or not (when you want to reduce packet overhead) [1] http://ser2net.sourceforge.net/ [2] http://com0com.sourceforge.net/ On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 9:47 PM, Stan, W1LE stanw...@verizon.net wrote: Hello The Net: Yes, I have had the mouse problem, but the more serious issue is when I run multiple (3) instances of Lady Heather (latest version at KE5FX) and after awhile none of the times agree and the problem only gets worse with time. I have tried the multiple USB to RS232 adapters into motherboard USB ports and I have tried a multi USB port PCI card. Any solutions with this problem ? Stan, W1LECape CodFN41sr ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Needed: The Real Serial USB Fix
If it were me, I remove the LCD display. I don't see a need when everyone today has a phone. the little AVR chip can bit-bang a UDP packet once per second and put it on your wifi router. That cuts the parts cost by 1/3rd and the display will be where you can see it, on the phone or computer. There are still a few of us who don't have cell phones. :( I split the problem into two areas: Collecting the data Displaying it If I'm collecting data, I want to be able to look back over hours, days, months, or even years. That means I probably want to backup/archive it too. 100 characters of text every 10 seconds is under a megabyte per day. That's small relative to modern disks, medium relative to thumb drives or SD cards and small to medium relative to RAM (or ramdisk). [I generally chop things up into a file per day.] So far, I've always had a handy Linux box running 24x7 when I wanted to collect data, so I've never tried to use a smaller system. Since the data is collected on a real system, it's easy to display it any way I like. I won't be surprised if a project comes along where I want something like a small uP to grab careful timing data. Until then, I'll keep collecting my data on a real PC. Does anybody have data on lifetime of Thumb/SD cards if you flush a log file every 10 seconds? What type of file systems are supported with whatever OS comes with small uPs? Is there any work on flash-friendly file systems for append-only log files? A year or 3 ago, I did some work on logging to ramdisk and occasionally copying to hard disk. The idea was that the hard disk would be spun-down most of the time, saving a lot of power. It didn't save much so I bailed on that project. I assume that means the power to keep the disk spinning is low relative to the power to keep the electronics going. Maybe I just botched the experiment. flushing the file after each line is the simple way to make (mostly) sure that your data gets to disk in case the system crashes, but it turns into several disk writes each line. That's no big deal for a lightly loaded hard drive but gets interesting in terms of total writes to flash drives. You could, of course, fix the code to only do the flush once every N minutes, or only when something interesting happens... -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Needed: The Real Serial USB Fix
Hi On Aug 24, 2013, at 1:37 AM, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Hi Pardon my interjection …. but. For a simple TBolt monitor, *any* OS is total overkill. If all you have is a small / simple display - you can't put much up there. For a monitor you don't have a keyboard / mouse / usb touchpad / Bluetooth presentation wand. Nothing to do and nothing to control. One big loop and not a lot else will do the trick with lots of time left over. If you want to go crazy, run one of the free RTOS distributions that the semiconductor companies give away. Freescale passes out MQX / MQX-lite. The others have similar stuff. They all have way more in them than this sort of application requires. Bob Sounds like a job for the Raspberry Pi. Low-cost, low-power, has serial I/O, and yet can still be programmed in C/C++ or Pascal/Delphi, can run a Web server, so you can perhaps re-use existing code from another OS. Low-cost displays available too. I'm using one of my RPi cards as a digital wall clock - no keyboard, mouse etc., and can be accessed over the 'net if needed. Not really. In order to get anything done on a Pi you need a high level OS. It's a very complex part. If the objective is a low power install, the display that the Pi runs will nuke your budget big time. You are using a school bus to haul around one student. Yes it can be done, for an efficient design it's not the way to go. Bob David -- SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Email: david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Needed: The Real Serial USB Fix
Hi If you are going to generate proper Ethernet UDP (or WiFi) that's going to involve a bit more hardware… Bob On Aug 24, 2013, at 12:04 AM, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: There was one just posted here using the Atmel AVR chip. He used a total of about $12 in parts. You could use a TI Launchpad if you don't like soldering and still spend less than $20. And as was said, no OS at al. It is simply not required for such a simple job. If it were me, I remove the LCD display. I don't see a need when everyone today has a phone. the little AVR chip can bit-bang a UDP packet once per second and put it on your wifi router. That cuts the parts cost by 1/3rd and the display will be where you can see it, on the phone or computer. On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi Pardon my interjection …. but. For a simple TBolt monitor, *any* OS is total overkill. If all you have is a small / simple display - you can't put much up there. For a monitor you don't have a keyboard / mouse / usb touchpad / Bluetooth presentation wand. Nothing to do and nothing to control. One big loop and not a lot else will do the trick with lots of time left over. If you want to go crazy, run one of the free RTOS distributions that the semiconductor companies give away. Freescale passes out MQX / MQX-lite. The others have similar stuff. They all have way more in them than this sort of application requires. Bob On Aug 23, 2013, at 9:17 PM, David I. Emery d...@dieconsulting.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 06:47:07PM -0500, Peter Gottlieb wrote: What I would really like in Windows is a way to lock the configuration and make it more of an appliance which always worked the same way. That way a small board talking to a Thunderbolt would always start up and just run. I suppose I need to get away from Windows and climb the Linux learning curve. Yes, or become a Windows kernel maven. It IS possible to figure some of this out, but Windows internally is somewhat bizzare... Linux is nice in that you can look at the code if it comes to that (and if you are really desperate and willing to pay the price, change it too)... -- Dave Emery N1PRE/AE, d...@dieconsulting.com DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass 02493 An empty zombie mind with a forlorn barely readable weatherbeaten 'For Rent' sign still vainly flapping outside on the weed encrusted pole - in celebration of what could have been, but wasn't and is not to be now either. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Needed: The Real Serial USB Fix
Hi On Aug 24, 2013, at 3:27 AM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: If it were me, I remove the LCD display. I don't see a need when everyone today has a phone. the little AVR chip can bit-bang a UDP packet once per second and put it on your wifi router. That cuts the parts cost by 1/3rd and the display will be where you can see it, on the phone or computer. There are still a few of us who don't have cell phones. :( I split the problem into two areas: Collecting the data Displaying it If I'm collecting data, I want to be able to look back over hours, days, months, or even years. That means I probably want to backup/archive it too. 100 characters of text every 10 seconds is under a megabyte per day. That's small relative to modern disks, medium relative to thumb drives or SD cards and small to medium relative to RAM (or ramdisk). [I generally chop things up into a file per day.] That's a *lot* more than a simple monitor. Once you get past simple you already have LH and a lot of hardware that will run it just fine. Bob So far, I've always had a handy Linux box running 24x7 when I wanted to collect data, so I've never tried to use a smaller system. Since the data is collected on a real system, it's easy to display it any way I like. I won't be surprised if a project comes along where I want something like a small uP to grab careful timing data. Until then, I'll keep collecting my data on a real PC. Does anybody have data on lifetime of Thumb/SD cards if you flush a log file every 10 seconds? What type of file systems are supported with whatever OS comes with small uPs? Is there any work on flash-friendly file systems for append-only log files? A year or 3 ago, I did some work on logging to ramdisk and occasionally copying to hard disk. The idea was that the hard disk would be spun-down most of the time, saving a lot of power. It didn't save much so I bailed on that project. I assume that means the power to keep the disk spinning is low relative to the power to keep the electronics going. Maybe I just botched the experiment. flushing the file after each line is the simple way to make (mostly) sure that your data gets to disk in case the system crashes, but it turns into several disk writes each line. That's no big deal for a lightly loaded hard drive but gets interesting in terms of total writes to flash drives. You could, of course, fix the code to only do the flush once every N minutes, or only when something interesting happens... -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Needed: The Real Serial USB Fix
From: Bob Camp [] Not really. In order to get anything done on a Pi you need a high level OS. It's a very complex part. If the objective is a low power install, the display that the Pi runs will nuke your budget big time. You are using a school bus to haul around one student. Yes it can be done, for an efficient design it's not the way to go. Bob The Raspberry Pi uses about 4 watts, and with Web server output or using SSH no display, keyboard or mouse is needed. It's like walking, no need for powered transport! Cheers, David -- SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Email: david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Needed: The Real Serial USB Fix
OK I may be late to the game here. Using a great device to solve my rs232 port problems. Its a did TS serial poer server. They make them in 16 ports and smaller. Essentially it translates the ports to ethernet and everything I have can then use the rs232 devices. The ports stay put unlike USB thats been a pain actually. Multiple workstations and such can access the ports. They can translate say port 16 so that it looks like com3 First 16 port was free. The 8 ports cost a wopping $5. Nobody knows what these things are so no value. I didn't till I stumbled into 1at work that was getting tossed and the light bulb lit up. Currently integrating them into the systems Good luck Paul WB8TSL On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi On Aug 24, 2013, at 3:27 AM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: If it were me, I remove the LCD display. I don't see a need when everyone today has a phone. the little AVR chip can bit-bang a UDP packet once per second and put it on your wifi router. That cuts the parts cost by 1/3rd and the display will be where you can see it, on the phone or computer. There are still a few of us who don't have cell phones. :( I split the problem into two areas: Collecting the data Displaying it If I'm collecting data, I want to be able to look back over hours, days, months, or even years. That means I probably want to backup/archive it too. 100 characters of text every 10 seconds is under a megabyte per day. That's small relative to modern disks, medium relative to thumb drives or SD cards and small to medium relative to RAM (or ramdisk). [I generally chop things up into a file per day.] That's a *lot* more than a simple monitor. Once you get past simple you already have LH and a lot of hardware that will run it just fine. Bob So far, I've always had a handy Linux box running 24x7 when I wanted to collect data, so I've never tried to use a smaller system. Since the data is collected on a real system, it's easy to display it any way I like. I won't be surprised if a project comes along where I want something like a small uP to grab careful timing data. Until then, I'll keep collecting my data on a real PC. Does anybody have data on lifetime of Thumb/SD cards if you flush a log file every 10 seconds? What type of file systems are supported with whatever OS comes with small uPs? Is there any work on flash-friendly file systems for append-only log files? A year or 3 ago, I did some work on logging to ramdisk and occasionally copying to hard disk. The idea was that the hard disk would be spun-down most of the time, saving a lot of power. It didn't save much so I bailed on that project. I assume that means the power to keep the disk spinning is low relative to the power to keep the electronics going. Maybe I just botched the experiment. flushing the file after each line is the simple way to make (mostly) sure that your data gets to disk in case the system crashes, but it turns into several disk writes each line. That's no big deal for a lightly loaded hard drive but gets interesting in terms of total writes to flash drives. You could, of course, fix the code to only do the flush once every N minutes, or only when something interesting happens... -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Needed: The Real Serial USB Fix
OK, OK, from another of my lists: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y Don David J Taylor From: Bob Camp [] Not really. In order to get anything done on a Pi you need a high level OS. It's a very complex part. If the objective is a low power install, the display that the Pi runs will nuke your budget big time. You are using a school bus to haul around one student. Yes it can be done, for an efficient design it's not the way to go. Bob The Raspberry Pi uses about 4 watts, and with Web server output or using SSH no display, keyboard or mouse is needed. It's like walking, no need for powered transport! Cheers, David -- SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Email: david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. -George Bernard Shaw Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL Six Mile Systems LLC 17850 Six Mile Road POB 134 Huson, MT, 59846 VOX 406-626-4304 Skype: buffler2 www.lightningforensics.com www.sixmilesystems.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Needed: The Real Serial USB Fix
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 06:47:07PM -0500, Peter Gottlieb wrote: What I would really like in Windows is a way to lock the configuration and make it more of an appliance which always worked the same way. That way a small board talking to a Thunderbolt would always start up and just run. I suppose I need to get away from Windows and climb the Linux learning curve. Yes, or become a Windows kernel maven. It IS possible to figure some of this out, but Windows internally is somewhat bizzare... Linux is nice in that you can look at the code if it comes to that (and if you are really desperate and willing to pay the price, change it too)... -- Dave Emery N1PRE/AE, d...@dieconsulting.com DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass 02493 An empty zombie mind with a forlorn barely readable weatherbeaten 'For Rent' sign still vainly flapping outside on the weed encrusted pole - in celebration of what could have been, but wasn't and is not to be now either. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Needed: The Real Serial USB Fix
Hi Pardon my interjection …. but. For a simple TBolt monitor, *any* OS is total overkill. If all you have is a small / simple display - you can't put much up there. For a monitor you don't have a keyboard / mouse / usb touchpad / Bluetooth presentation wand. Nothing to do and nothing to control. One big loop and not a lot else will do the trick with lots of time left over. If you want to go crazy, run one of the free RTOS distributions that the semiconductor companies give away. Freescale passes out MQX / MQX-lite. The others have similar stuff. They all have way more in them than this sort of application requires. Bob On Aug 23, 2013, at 9:17 PM, David I. Emery d...@dieconsulting.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 06:47:07PM -0500, Peter Gottlieb wrote: What I would really like in Windows is a way to lock the configuration and make it more of an appliance which always worked the same way. That way a small board talking to a Thunderbolt would always start up and just run. I suppose I need to get away from Windows and climb the Linux learning curve. Yes, or become a Windows kernel maven. It IS possible to figure some of this out, but Windows internally is somewhat bizzare... Linux is nice in that you can look at the code if it comes to that (and if you are really desperate and willing to pay the price, change it too)... -- Dave Emery N1PRE/AE, d...@dieconsulting.com DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass 02493 An empty zombie mind with a forlorn barely readable weatherbeaten 'For Rent' sign still vainly flapping outside on the weed encrusted pole - in celebration of what could have been, but wasn't and is not to be now either. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Needed: The Real Serial USB Fix
Hi Pardon my interjection …. but. For a simple TBolt monitor, *any* OS is total overkill. If all you have is a small / simple display - you can't put much up there. For a monitor you don't have a keyboard / mouse / usb touchpad / Bluetooth presentation wand. Nothing to do and nothing to control. One big loop and not a lot else will do the trick with lots of time left over. If you want to go crazy, run one of the free RTOS distributions that the semiconductor companies give away. Freescale passes out MQX / MQX-lite. The others have similar stuff. They all have way more in them than this sort of application requires. Bob Sounds like a job for the Raspberry Pi. Low-cost, low-power, has serial I/O, and yet can still be programmed in C/C++ or Pascal/Delphi, can run a Web server, so you can perhaps re-use existing code from another OS. Low-cost displays available too. I'm using one of my RPi cards as a digital wall clock - no keyboard, mouse etc., and can be accessed over the 'net if needed. David -- SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Email: david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Needed: The Real Serial USB Fix
There was one just posted here using the Atmel AVR chip. He used a total of about $12 in parts. You could use a TI Launchpad if you don't like soldering and still spend less than $20. And as was said, no OS at al. It is simply not required for such a simple job. If it were me, I remove the LCD display. I don't see a need when everyone today has a phone. the little AVR chip can bit-bang a UDP packet once per second and put it on your wifi router. That cuts the parts cost by 1/3rd and the display will be where you can see it, on the phone or computer. On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi Pardon my interjection …. but. For a simple TBolt monitor, *any* OS is total overkill. If all you have is a small / simple display - you can't put much up there. For a monitor you don't have a keyboard / mouse / usb touchpad / Bluetooth presentation wand. Nothing to do and nothing to control. One big loop and not a lot else will do the trick with lots of time left over. If you want to go crazy, run one of the free RTOS distributions that the semiconductor companies give away. Freescale passes out MQX / MQX-lite. The others have similar stuff. They all have way more in them than this sort of application requires. Bob On Aug 23, 2013, at 9:17 PM, David I. Emery d...@dieconsulting.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 06:47:07PM -0500, Peter Gottlieb wrote: What I would really like in Windows is a way to lock the configuration and make it more of an appliance which always worked the same way. That way a small board talking to a Thunderbolt would always start up and just run. I suppose I need to get away from Windows and climb the Linux learning curve. Yes, or become a Windows kernel maven. It IS possible to figure some of this out, but Windows internally is somewhat bizzare... Linux is nice in that you can look at the code if it comes to that (and if you are really desperate and willing to pay the price, change it too)... -- Dave Emery N1PRE/AE, d...@dieconsulting.com DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass 02493 An empty zombie mind with a forlorn barely readable weatherbeaten 'For Rent' sign still vainly flapping outside on the weed encrusted pole - in celebration of what could have been, but wasn't and is not to be now either. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] Needed: The Real Serial USB Fix
Hello The Net: Yes, I have had the mouse problem, but the more serious issue is when I run multiple (3) instances of Lady Heather (latest version at KE5FX) and after awhile none of the times agree and the problem only gets worse with time. I have tried the multiple USB to RS232 adapters into motherboard USB ports and I have tried a multi USB port PCI card. Any solutions with this problem ? Stan, W1LECape CodFN41sr ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Needed: The Real Serial USB Fix
At the risk of seeming flippant, may I suggest Linux? Don Stan, W1LE Hello The Net: Yes, I have had the mouse problem, but the more serious issue is when I run multiple (3) instances of Lady Heather (latest version at KE5FX) and after awhile none of the times agree and the problem only gets worse with time. I have tried the multiple USB to RS232 adapters into motherboard USB ports and I have tried a multi USB port PCI card. Any solutions with this problem ? Stan, W1LECape CodFN41sr ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Neither the voice of authority nor the weight of reason and argument are as significant as experiment, for thence comes quiet to the mind. De Erroribus Medicorum, R. Bacon, 13th century. If you don't know what it is, don't poke it. Ghost in the Shell Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL Six Mile Systems LLP 17850 Six Mile Road POB 134 Huson, MT, 59846 VOX 406-626-4304 www.lightningforensics.com www.sixmilesystems.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Needed: The Real Serial USB Fix
At work we simply use multi port serial cards (*no* USB intermediary) or Ethernet to serial adapters. Any use of USB for critical test equipment was pretty much banned here years ago. On 1/27/2013 8:47 AM, Stan, W1LE wrote: Hello The Net: Yes, I have had the mouse problem, but the more serious issue is when I run multiple (3) instances of Lady Heather (latest version at KE5FX) and after awhile none of the times agree and the problem only gets worse with time. I have tried the multiple USB to RS232 adapters into motherboard USB ports and I have tried a multi USB port PCI card. Any solutions with this problem ? Stan, W1LECape CodFN41sr ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1430 / Virus Database: 2639/5561 - Release Date: 01/27/13 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Needed: The Real Serial USB Fix
The problem with the Ethernet adapters is the lack of software support on the OS side. I'd have gone to that long ago if I could point any bit if software at a serial port that was actually on a terminal server out on the ip fabric. On Jan 27, 2013, at 12:30, Peter Gottlieb n...@verizon.net wrote: At work we simply use multi port serial cards (*no* USB intermediary) or Ethernet to serial adapters. Any use of USB for critical test equipment was pretty much banned here years ago. On 1/27/2013 8:47 AM, Stan, W1LE wrote: Hello The Net: Yes, I have had the mouse problem, but the more serious issue is when I run multiple (3) instances of Lady Heather (latest version at KE5FX) and after awhile none of the times agree and the problem only gets worse with time. I have tried the multiple USB to RS232 adapters into motherboard USB ports and I have tried a multi USB port PCI card. Any solutions with this problem ? Stan, W1LECape CodFN41sr ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1430 / Virus Database: 2639/5561 - Release Date: 01/27/13 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Needed: The Real Serial USB Fix
On 1/27/13 9:30 AM, Peter Gottlieb wrote: At work we simply use multi port serial cards (*no* USB intermediary) or Ethernet to serial adapters. Any use of USB for critical test equipment was pretty much banned here years ago. Why the proscription against USB? Because of difficulty with USB device drivers? Or the plethora of serial port emulators that have unforeseen interactions with software that thinks it's talking to a real serial port? or what? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Needed: The Real Serial USB Fix
There are some well documented issues with timing and USB that have been rehashed here a few times. On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 1/27/13 9:30 AM, Peter Gottlieb wrote: At work we simply use multi port serial cards (*no* USB intermediary) or Ethernet to serial adapters. Any use of USB for critical test equipment was pretty much banned here years ago. Why the proscription against USB? Because of difficulty with USB device drivers? Or the plethora of serial port emulators that have unforeseen interactions with software that thinks it's talking to a real serial port? or what? __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Needed: The Real Serial USB Fix
On 1/27/13 11:01 AM, Bob Bownes wrote: There are some well documented issues with timing and USB that have been rehashed here a few times. Sure, the timing isn't really , really predictable (8kHz frame rate and all that).. but assuming you're just controlling something where you need 10s or 100s of millisecond timing and shoving data back and forth.. On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 1/27/13 9:30 AM, Peter Gottlieb wrote: At work we simply use multi port serial cards (*no* USB intermediary) or Ethernet to serial adapters. Any use of USB for critical test equipment was pretty much banned here years ago. Why the proscription against USB? Because of difficulty with USB device drivers? Or the plethora of serial port emulators that have unforeseen interactions with software that thinks it's talking to a real serial port? or what? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Needed: The Real Serial USB Fix
I use a Digi serial to ethernet terminal server for various serial devices. You put the client software on your PC and the terminal server ports show up as COM ports on the PC. This keeps the physical COM ports free for any critical timing applications. Drivers are available for Windows 98 to Win7, Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, Solaris, AIX, HPUX, etc. Seems like a reasonable list of operating systems. Am I missing something? Ed On 1/27/2013 12:37 PM, bownes wrote: The problem with the Ethernet adapters is the lack of software support on the OS side. I'd have gone to that long ago if I could point any bit if software at a serial port that was actually on a terminal server out on the ip fabric. On Jan 27, 2013, at 12:30, Peter Gottlieb n...@verizon.net wrote: At work we simply use multi port serial cards (*no* USB intermediary) or Ethernet to serial adapters. Any use of USB for critical test equipment was pretty much banned here years ago. On 1/27/2013 8:47 AM, Stan, W1LE wrote: Hello The Net: Yes, I have had the mouse problem, but the more serious issue is when I run multiple (3) instances of Lady Heather (latest version at KE5FX) and after awhile none of the times agree and the problem only gets worse with time. I have tried the multiple USB to RS232 adapters into motherboard USB ports and I have tried a multi USB port PCI card. Any solutions with this problem ? Stan, W1LECape CodFN41sr ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Needed: The Real Serial USB Fix
It came down to startup issues. If every fifth time the system was turned on it wouldn't initialize properly and not see an airflow or whatever sensor, it required the calling of a tech from the test group to come over and get it going. We run Labview but it was always a Windows problem as the devices wouldn't show up in Device Manager. Peter On 1/27/2013 1:48 PM, Jim Lux wrote: On 1/27/13 9:30 AM, Peter Gottlieb wrote: At work we simply use multi port serial cards (*no* USB intermediary) or Ethernet to serial adapters. Any use of USB for critical test equipment was pretty much banned here years ago. Why the proscription against USB? Because of difficulty with USB device drivers? Or the plethora of serial port emulators that have unforeseen interactions with software that thinks it's talking to a real serial port? or what? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1430 / Virus Database: 2639/5561 - Release Date: 01/27/13 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Needed: The Real Serial USB Fix
Hi We've had better luck with the FTDI based parts than with the other USB serial gizmos. Even they do drop out every so often. With the modern drivers it's a lot more rare than it once was. With 32 ports on a system and several systems it's a once or twice a year sort of thing now. Bob On Jan 27, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Peter Gottlieb n...@verizon.net wrote: It came down to startup issues. If every fifth time the system was turned on it wouldn't initialize properly and not see an airflow or whatever sensor, it required the calling of a tech from the test group to come over and get it going. We run Labview but it was always a Windows problem as the devices wouldn't show up in Device Manager. Peter On 1/27/2013 1:48 PM, Jim Lux wrote: On 1/27/13 9:30 AM, Peter Gottlieb wrote: At work we simply use multi port serial cards (*no* USB intermediary) or Ethernet to serial adapters. Any use of USB for critical test equipment was pretty much banned here years ago. Why the proscription against USB? Because of difficulty with USB device drivers? Or the plethora of serial port emulators that have unforeseen interactions with software that thinks it's talking to a real serial port? or what? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1430 / Virus Database: 2639/5561 - Release Date: 01/27/13 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Needed: The Real Serial USB Fix
On 1/27/13 11:28 AM, Peter Gottlieb wrote: It came down to startup issues. If every fifth time the system was turned on it wouldn't initialize properly and not see an airflow or whatever sensor, it required the calling of a tech from the test group to come over and get it going. We run Labview but it was always a Windows problem as the devices wouldn't show up in Device Manager. Aha.. yes.. I understand.. Especially if you have a bunch of widgets with the same manufacturer/device number. How do you know that the USB widget that was COM4 yesterday is still COM4 and not COM 5. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Needed: The Real Serial USB Fix
What I would really like in Windows is a way to lock the configuration and make it more of an appliance which always worked the same way. That way a small board talking to a Thunderbolt would always start up and just run. I suppose I need to get away from Windows and climb the Linux learning curve. Peter On 1/27/2013 4:26 PM, Jim Lux wrote: On 1/27/13 11:28 AM, Peter Gottlieb wrote: It came down to startup issues. If every fifth time the system was turned on it wouldn't initialize properly and not see an airflow or whatever sensor, it required the calling of a tech from the test group to come over and get it going. We run Labview but it was always a Windows problem as the devices wouldn't show up in Device Manager. Aha.. yes.. I understand.. Especially if you have a bunch of widgets with the same manufacturer/device number. How do you know that the USB widget that was COM4 yesterday is still COM4 and not COM 5. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1430 / Virus Database: 2639/5561 - Release Date: 01/27/13 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
