Re: [time-nuts] OT: At the Flea
On 18/04/11 15:55, Chris Albertson wrote: Or he could have been ignorant and had a fear of chemicals not knowing what scary sounding things like sodium chloride is. Or dihydrogen monoxide? A high-school student won first prize in his science fair by circulating a report on the dangers of DHMO, then asking his peers what action (if any) should be taken (i.e. should it be banned?). 46 students called for a ban. Six were undecided Only one correctly realised that DHMO was just another name for good ol' H2O... water. So that's one in a class of 53. 1.9%. http://www.snopes.com/science/dhmo.asp Personally, I'd love to see the results if the experiment were repeated on the general public... :) -- Phil. li...@philpem.me.uk http://www.philpem.me.uk/ ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] OT: At the Flea
On 4/19/2011 9:50 AM, Philip Pemberton wrote: Or dihydrogen monoxide? A high-school student won first prize in his science fair by circulating a report on the dangers of DHMO, then asking his peers what action (if any) should be taken (i.e. should it be banned?). 46 students called for a ban. Six were undecided Only one correctly realised that DHMO was just another name for good ol' H2O... water. Sure, but I'm concerned about the expanding use of the solvent hydrogen hydroxide. It's used in many manufacturing processes and tests show it is present in a large number of foods. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] OT: At the Flea
A high-school student won first prize in his science fair by circulating a report on the dangers of DHMO, then asking his peers what action (if any) should be taken (i.e. should it be banned?). http://www.snopes.com/science/dhmo.asp ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] OT: At the Flea
So that's one in a class of 53. 1.9%. Two in a class of 54, if we count the author, so 3.7% :) Regards, Javier ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] OT: At the Flea
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Rex r...@sonic.net wrote: On 4/19/2011 9:50 AM, Philip Pemberton wrote: Or dihydrogen monoxide? You'd expect few people to be able parse out the meaning of such an odd term. And I'm sure no one gave this more than 15 seconds of thought. The story I like used common terms where they asked people to find things on a world map and 30% could not locate the Pacific Ocean. http://www.nationalgeographic.com/geosurvey/highlights.html -- = Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] OT: At the Flea
As Paracelso said, nothing is poison, all is poison, it only depends on the dose :) El 19/04/2011 22:15, Alan Melia escribió: Seriously, dihydrogen Monoxide kills more people than all other chemicals put together. This totalled 3308 in the USA in 2004 alone, and 26% of all under 4yo child deaths that year were attributable to it. It is particularly hazardous when combined with chloride of soda. Alan G3NYK - Original Message - From: Javier Herrerojherr...@hvsistemas.es To:time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OT: At the Flea So that's one in a class of 53. 1.9%. Two in a class of 54, if we count the author, so 3.7% :) Regards, Javier ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Javier HerreroEMAIL: jherr...@hvsistemas.com Chief Technology Officer HV Sistemas S.L. PHONE: +34 949 336 806 Los Charcones, 17 FAX: +34 949 336 792 19170 El Casar - Guadalajara - Spain WEB: http://www.hvsistemas.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] OT: At the Flea
On 19/04/11 20:48, Chris Albertson wrote: The story I like used common terms where they asked people to find things on a world map and 30% could not locate the Pacific Ocean. http://www.nationalgeographic.com/geosurvey/highlights.html Good grief, that's an easy one. The Atlantic is the big one between the East coast of the USA and West coast of Europe / Africa. The Pacific is the slightly smaller one off the West coast of the USA and East coast of Asia. The Indian ocean is between Africa and Australia. Had to look up the name though. And this is from someone who badly failed at geography. I most likely couldn't tell you where all the borders of the various EU member states were (and I certainly couldn't name all of the US states)... Thing is, it's not something that most people need to know in order to do their jobs. This is why we have atlases, Google Maps and -- of course -- Wikipedia. Frankly if I needed to know where (say) Norway was, I'd go to Gmaps and type in norway... In my experience, wild guesses are only a viable option if you somehow end up on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire or The Weakest Link and all other approaches have failed... -- Phil. li...@philpem.me.uk http://www.philpem.me.uk/ ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] OT: At the Flea
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Philip Pemberton li...@philpem.me.uk wrote: On 19/04/11 20:48, Chris Albertson wrote: The story I like used common terms where they asked people to find things on a world map and 30% could not locate the Pacific Ocean. http://www.nationalgeographic.com/geosurvey/highlights.html Good grief, that's an easy one. The Atlantic is the big one between the East coast of the USA and West coast of Europe / Africa. The Pacific is the slightly smaller one off the West coast of the USA and East coast of Asia. Hard to know if you are serious but... Actually the Pacific Ocean is the Earth's largest feature. It is roughly 1.5 times larger then the Atlantic Ocean. The Pacific is larger than all of the Earth's land mass combined That is why it was so funny that so many people could not find it. It is by far the largest thing on the map. -- = Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] OT: At the Flea
On 4/19/11 4:07 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: That is why it was so funny that so many people could not find it. It is by far the largest thing on the map. not on a world map which is centered at the prime meridian. The Pacific is split into two halves and looks smaller. There's also a whole lot of other cartographic issues... Greenland on a Mercator projection is the notorious one. To keep this moderately time-nuts related, that's actually how I got started on precision timing.. I was looking at generating map projections, which got me into surveying and cadastral stuff, which got me into precision GPS measurements. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] OT: At the Flea
On CSPAN's Book TV yesterday the President of Dow Chemical stated that their *starting* salary for newly graduated chemical engineers is now $120K. That $10 chemistry set might have been a good investment. Aart Olsen - Original Message - From: Tom Holmes thol...@woh.rr.com To: j...@quik.com, Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com, hp agilent equipment hp_agilent_equipm...@yahoogroups.com, tekscop...@yahoogroups.com Cc: EIP microwave eip_microw...@yahoogroups.com, testequiptra...@yahoogroups.com, ailt...@yahoogroups.com, gen...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 8:59:53 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OT: At the Flea It's the kid's father who is 'too dangerous. Tom Holmes, N8ZM Tipp City, OH EM79 -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of J. Forster Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 9:20 PM To: hp_agilent_equipm...@yahoogroups.com; tekscop...@yahoogroups.com; time-nuts@febo.com Cc: ailt...@yahoogroups.com; testequiptra...@yahoogroups.com; eip_microw...@yahoogroups.com; gen...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [time-nuts] OT: At the Flea Too bad it doesn't need the EPROMS. Folks, At MIT Flea this morning I bought a few things I just couldn't resist. [snip] At the same flea, outside in the lot after the rain had stopped, I saw a kid, maybe 10 years old in a cowboy hat. He found a roughly 1950s Gilbert chemistry in near perfect condition with, as the kid put ir, with chemicals and glass test tubes. I've never seen a kid so happy. The seller wanted $10 and the kid bought it. A few minutes later, I saw the same kid looking very glum. I asked what was wrong and he said his dad had made him return the chemistry set... it was too dangerous. THAT is what's wrong with America today, IMO. FWIW, -John ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] OT: At the Flea
Even in the early 70's, my chemistry set was full of poisonous chemicals. They were all clearly labelled, Don't eat. I didn't eat and survived. Can't remember exactly what was in there, but it at least had cobalt chloride and sodium ferrocyanide. OTOH, I do remember an experiment where you mixed two chemicals and got a precipitate. You filtered the precipitate out and what was left was sodium chloride, i.e. salt water. The instruction manual said you could taste it! Even for those days that seems a little extreme! Scott On Apr 18, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 5:48 AM, aartmol...@comcast.net wrote: On CSPAN's Book TV yesterday the President of Dow Chemical stated that their *starting* salary for newly graduated chemical engineers is now $120K. That $10 chemistry set might have been a good investment. That kids father was either really smart or stupid. We don't know. He could of been a chemist and read the content and made an informed decision. For example, no we are not heating Mercury in an open test tube, not in my house. Or he could have been ignorant and had a fear of chemicals not knowing what scary sounding things like sodium chloride is. If it was a 50's vintage set I'd not be surprised if there was something really dangerous in there. After all this was the period when they sold hot chassis TV sets and cars with no seat belts just to save a buck or two. -- = Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] OT: At the Flea
And a very high percentage of us survived. OK, bring on the anecdotal sob stories about someone you know who did not. Now that some of you have your blood boiling, and forgive me John the Moderator for contributing to the perpetuation of this OT thread, but there has to be a balance somewhere in the risks vs. safety discussion. When most of this list was growing up, we worked did not have seatbelts and Ground-fault protected outlets and double insulated tools, or even 3-wire plugs for AC ( here in the US anyway). We now have an entire industrial and bureaucratic complex that makes a living from allegedly protecting us. So now kids get helmets, shin guards, etc while they ride skateboards, snowboards and the like, and still get badly messed up or killed because they hit a tree or roll out in front of a car. We have automobiles that would appear to be, and are marketed as safety cocoons, yet when you see an accident, the occupants are still very badly injured because they drive like that cocoon will protect them from every possible hazard. Except driving like an idiot. End of rant, and hopefully, of thread. Tom Holmes, N8ZM Tipp City, OH EM79 -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Chris Albertson Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 10:56 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OT: At the Flea On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 5:48 AM, aartmol...@comcast.net wrote: On CSPAN's Book TV yesterday the President of Dow Chemical stated that their *starting* salary for newly graduated chemical engineers is now $120K. That $10 chemistry set might have been a good investment. That kids father was either really smart or stupid. We don't know. He could of been a chemist and read the content and made an informed decision. For example, no we are not heating Mercury in an open test tube, not in my house. Or he could have been ignorant and had a fear of chemicals not knowing what scary sounding things like sodium chloride is. If it was a 50's vintage set I'd not be surprised if there was something really dangerous in there. After all this was the period when they sold hot chassis TV sets and cars with no seat belts just to save a buck or two. -- = Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] OT: At the Flea
Anyone look for a job lately? There's no such thing as entry level for newly graduated engineers of any type anymore. Read any actual newly graduated job description and they all require a masters degree and AT LEAST 3-5 years experience. Oh yeah, and must have graduated within the last 12 months (how those two correlate is beyond me - 3-5 years of internships?) No doubt that's the starting salary he's talking about. It's a myth. Message: 1 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 12:48:05 + (UTC) From: aartmol...@comcast.net To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OT: At the Flea Message-ID: 297195343.3877870.1303130885040.javamail.r...@sz0025a.emeryville.ca.mail.co mcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 On CSPAN's Book TV yesterday the President of Dow Chemical stated that their *starting* salary for newly graduated chemical engineers is now $120K. That $10 chemistry set might have been a good investment. Aart Olsen ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] OT: At the Flea
As I recall, Gilbert also offered some sort of Atomic energy lab set in the early 50's; they'd probably have to call in the hazmat folks if one of those appeared at a flea market. Dave - Original Message - From: Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 7:55:36 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OT: At the Flea On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 5:48 AM, aartmol...@comcast.net wrote: On CSPAN's Book TV yesterday the President of Dow Chemical stated that their *starting* salary for newly graduated chemical engineers is now $120K. That $10 chemistry set might have been a good investment. That kids father was either really smart or stupid. We don't know. He could of been a chemist and read the content and made an informed decision. For example, no we are not heating Mercury in an open test tube, not in my house. Or he could have been ignorant and had a fear of chemicals not knowing what scary sounding things like sodium chloride is. If it was a 50's vintage set I'd not be surprised if there was something really dangerous in there. After all this was the period when they sold hot chassis TV sets and cars with no seat belts just to save a buck or two. -- = Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] OT: At the Flea
Too bad it doesn't need the EPROMS. Folks, At MIT Flea this morning I bought a few things I just couldn't resist. [snip] At the same flea, outside in the lot after the rain had stopped, I saw a kid, maybe 10 years old in a cowboy hat. He found a roughly 1950s Gilbert chemistry in near perfect condition with, as the kid put ir, with chemicals and glass test tubes. I've never seen a kid so happy. The seller wanted $10 and the kid bought it. A few minutes later, I saw the same kid looking very glum. I asked what was wrong and he said his dad had made him return the chemistry set... it was too dangerous. THAT is what's wrong with America today, IMO. FWIW, -John ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] OT: At the Flea
It's the kid's father who is 'too dangerous. Tom Holmes, N8ZM Tipp City, OH EM79 -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of J. Forster Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 9:20 PM To: hp_agilent_equipm...@yahoogroups.com; tekscop...@yahoogroups.com; time-nuts@febo.com Cc: ailt...@yahoogroups.com; testequiptra...@yahoogroups.com; eip_microw...@yahoogroups.com; gen...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [time-nuts] OT: At the Flea Too bad it doesn't need the EPROMS. Folks, At MIT Flea this morning I bought a few things I just couldn't resist. [snip] At the same flea, outside in the lot after the rain had stopped, I saw a kid, maybe 10 years old in a cowboy hat. He found a roughly 1950s Gilbert chemistry in near perfect condition with, as the kid put ir, with chemicals and glass test tubes. I've never seen a kid so happy. The seller wanted $10 and the kid bought it. A few minutes later, I saw the same kid looking very glum. I asked what was wrong and he said his dad had made him return the chemistry set... it was too dangerous. THAT is what's wrong with America today, IMO. FWIW, -John ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
