Re: [time-nuts] OT favorite chip programmer/favorite ROM emulator
Another one to look at apparently is the Galep model 4(LPT) or 5(USB). I don't have one but when this question was asked recently elsewhere, they were very highly recommended - and very good support. http://www.conitec.com/english/galep5.php Dave -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Mark Sims Sent: 10 April 2009 04:17 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] OT favorite chip programmer/favorite ROM emulator By far the best programmer on the planet is still the Data I/O Unisite (followed by the 3980, 3900, and 2900 prorgrammers). If a Unisite can't program it, you are in bad shape... it probably can't be programmed. Bad news is a refurbed Unisite will set you back $25,000 plus the cost of socket adapters and software. Good news is with a little shopping around on Ebay, you can possibly snag one for around $100. The trick is to find one with the socket adapters you need. Also the more pin driver cards it has installed, the better (a full load is 17 cards/68 pin drivers). Also, one with the internal hard drive (aka MSM, aka Mass Storage Module) is very desirable. Booting from a (720Kb only) floppy can take several minutes. I have purchased several machines just because they had an adapter that I did not have. Also you need to make sure it comes with a full set of programming software (generally, the later the version better) because a current software set from DIO will set you back over $2000... For more info, check out Bruce Lane's guide to DIO machines on Ebay: http://reviews.ebay.com/Data-I-O-Device-Programmers-A-Condensed-Reference_W0 QQugidZ101698682?ssPageName=BUYGD:CAT:-1:SEARCH:3 _ Rediscover HotmailR: Get quick friend updates right in your inbox. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Upd ates1_042009 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] OT favorite chip programmer/favorite ROM emulator
Mark Sims wrote: By far the best programmer on the planet is still the Data I/O Unisite (followed by the 3980, 3900, and 2900 prorgrammers). If a Unisite can't program it, you are in bad shape... it probably can't be programmed. That is really kind of a silly statement. Data I/O is known as the cadillac of programmers, but mostly because of its high price. Advin makes a programmer that will program everything the Data I/O will, using the same algorithms, for 1/10th the price. Further all of their software is available on their website for free download. Their intro model has 44 drivers, and will program devices up to 128 pins. Their top of the line model has 128 drivers and will program devices up to 304 pins... costs $3295. Used Advin programmers are a mixed bag. When the 3.3V devices came out, the voltage references on the pin driver DAC's got changed, so that obsoleted them for 3.3V devices. However, the software for every machine they ever made is available on their website. Also, their programmers use the host computer for much of the programmer's power, and there is an issue with some of the earlier machines and too fast PC's, so there might be a need to buy an older throttled down PC to host your Advin programmer. -Chuck Harris Bad news is a refurbed Unisite will set you back $25,000 plus the cost of socket adapters and software. Good news is with a little shopping around on Ebay, you can possibly snag one for around $100. The trick is to find one with the socket adapters you need. Also the more pin driver cards it has installed, the better (a full load is 17 cards/68 pin drivers). Also, one with the internal hard drive (aka MSM, aka Mass Storage Module) is very desirable. Booting from a (720Kb only) floppy can take several minutes. I have purchased several machines just because they had an adapter that I did not have. Also you need to make sure it comes with a full set of programming software (generally, the later the version better) because a current software set from DIO will set you back over $2000... For more info, check out Bruce Lane's guide to DIO machines on Ebay: http://reviews.ebay.com/Data-I-O-Device-Programmers-A-Condensed-Reference_W0QQugidZ101698682?ssPageName=BUYGD:CAT:-1:SEARCH:3 _ Rediscover Hotmail®: Get quick friend updates right in your inbox. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Updates1_042009 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] OT favorite chip programmer/favorite ROM emulator
Hello Chuck, I have used the Advin programmers and have run into every problem you mentioned, and then some... And forget those little USB programmers... they can work for simple EPROMS, but get into anything else and all bets are off. I much prefer the Data I/O machines... warts and all. They are totally independent of the host machine for programming control (they only need a VT100 terminal emulator). And their pin drivers have not had to change in 25 years. The base machine holds up to 68 pin drivers. The Pinsite modules for doing non-dip packages expands on that. Biggest wart is the Unisite design has not changed in over 25 years. It still uses 720Kb floppies... really now... 720Kb floppies in the year 2009... but that is a non-issue if you have one with the Mass Storage Module (which even though it may have a 512 meg drive on it, only uses 80 meg... silly). Also 8 meg of RAM is a bit silly... but with the programmer under host PC control is not a problem. And don't get me started on those silly compression pad sockets... I've worn out more than one Drunken Russian Sailor's Guide to Curses and Taunts there. DIO makes their living gouging their customers on upgrades and socket adapters (hey, why charge $2000 for a programmer when you can charge $40,000+). If you have a software set that works for you, don't spend the 2 grand to upgrade. But DIO algorithm CDs regularly show up on Ebay for cheap. I have a net cost of around zero dollars (or possibly a small net profit) in my unit and adapters which would have cost over $80,000 if bought new from DIO. I built it up out of around 10 Ebay machines (which I stripped of unique adapters, cleaned up, tested, and then resold the remains). It supports over 25,000 devices with algorithms that are the gold standard in the industry. I have never run into a device that I can't program (except for the MCM2801 and SDA2006 very early serial EEPROMS (which I built my own programmers for)). I don't think the machine will do 1702's either, but I have never needed to do one. Mark _ Rediscover Hotmail®: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage1_042009 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] OT favorite chip programmer/favorite ROM emulator
Hi David Thanks for taking the time to post. Have a great Easter-Patrick David C. Partridge wrote: Another one to look at apparently is the Galep model 4(LPT) or 5(USB). I don't have one but when this question was asked recently elsewhere, they were very highly recommended - and very good support. http://www.conitec.com/english/galep5.php Dave -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Mark Sims Sent: 10 April 2009 04:17 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] OT favorite chip programmer/favorite ROM emulator By far the best programmer on the planet is still the Data I/O Unisite (followed by the 3980, 3900, and 2900 prorgrammers). If a Unisite can't program it, you are in bad shape... it probably can't be programmed. Bad news is a refurbed Unisite will set you back $25,000 plus the cost of socket adapters and software. Good news is with a little shopping around on Ebay, you can possibly snag one for around $100. The trick is to find one with the socket adapters you need. Also the more pin driver cards it has installed, the better (a full load is 17 cards/68 pin drivers). Also, one with the internal hard drive (aka MSM, aka Mass Storage Module) is very desirable. Booting from a (720Kb only) floppy can take several minutes. I have purchased several machines just because they had an adapter that I did not have. Also you need to make sure it comes with a full set of programming software (generally, the later the version better) because a current software set from DIO will set you back over $2000... For more info, check out Bruce Lane's guide to DIO machines on Ebay: http://reviews.ebay.com/Data-I-O-Device-Programmers-A-Condensed-Reference_W0 QQugidZ101698682?ssPageName=BUYGD:CAT:-1:SEARCH:3 _ Rediscover HotmailR: Get quick friend updates right in your inbox. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Upd ates1_042009 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] OT favorite chip programmer/favorite ROM emulator
Sorry everyone I was sending out my thanks and I accidentally posted to the list-Patrick Patrick wrote: Hi David Thanks for taking the time to post. Have a great Easter-Patrick David C. Partridge wrote: Another one to look at apparently is the Galep model 4(LPT) or 5(USB). I don't have one but when this question was asked recently elsewhere, they were very highly recommended - and very good support. http://www.conitec.com/english/galep5.php Dave -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Mark Sims Sent: 10 April 2009 04:17 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] OT favorite chip programmer/favorite ROM emulator By far the best programmer on the planet is still the Data I/O Unisite (followed by the 3980, 3900, and 2900 prorgrammers). If a Unisite can't program it, you are in bad shape... it probably can't be programmed. Bad news is a refurbed Unisite will set you back $25,000 plus the cost of socket adapters and software. Good news is with a little shopping around on Ebay, you can possibly snag one for around $100. The trick is to find one with the socket adapters you need. Also the more pin driver cards it has installed, the better (a full load is 17 cards/68 pin drivers). Also, one with the internal hard drive (aka MSM, aka Mass Storage Module) is very desirable. Booting from a (720Kb only) floppy can take several minutes. I have purchased several machines just because they had an adapter that I did not have. Also you need to make sure it comes with a full set of programming software (generally, the later the version better) because a current software set from DIO will set you back over $2000... For more info, check out Bruce Lane's guide to DIO machines on Ebay: http://reviews.ebay.com/Data-I-O-Device-Programmers-A-Condensed-Reference_W0 QQugidZ101698682?ssPageName=BUYGD:CAT:-1:SEARCH:3 _ Rediscover HotmailR: Get quick friend updates right in your inbox. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Upd ates1_042009 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] OT favorite chip programmer/favorite ROM emulator
Hi Everyone Sorry for the off topic post. I have received such great advice in the past with regard to instrumentation purchases, I just can't resist. The caliber of knowledge on this list is second to none. I am looking for a low cost chip programmer(under $300, preferably under $200). Has anyone had a positive(or negative) experience with a manufacturer? I am also looking for a ROM emulator, does anyone have any advice? Thanks in advance-Patrick ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] OT favorite chip programmer/favorite ROM emulator
Hi Everyone Sorry for the off topic post. I have received such great advice in the past with regard to instrumentation purchases, I just can't resist. The caliber of knowledge on this list is second to none. I am looking for a low cost chip programmer(under $300, preferably under $200). Has anyone had a positive(or negative) experience with a manufacturer? What kind of chip programmer? Microcontrollers, or PROMs? If you're looking for an economical PROM burner, I'll put in a plug for this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290304315635 The seller's been around a long time, and is good to deal with. The board itself looks sort of disreputable, but it's actually quite functional, easy to use, and a real bargain. The device catalog is decent, if you don't mind occasionally having to look up equivalent part numbers. Avoid earlier versions that used hybrid LPT/USB connections, as they had some problems. -- john, KE5FX ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] OT favorite chip programmer/favorite ROM emulator
By far the best programmer on the planet is still the Data I/O Unisite (followed by the 3980, 3900, and 2900 prorgrammers). If a Unisite can't program it, you are in bad shape... it probably can't be programmed. Bad news is a refurbed Unisite will set you back $25,000 plus the cost of socket adapters and software. Good news is with a little shopping around on Ebay, you can possibly snag one for around $100. The trick is to find one with the socket adapters you need. Also the more pin driver cards it has installed, the better (a full load is 17 cards/68 pin drivers). Also, one with the internal hard drive (aka MSM, aka Mass Storage Module) is very desirable. Booting from a (720Kb only) floppy can take several minutes. I have purchased several machines just because they had an adapter that I did not have. Also you need to make sure it comes with a full set of programming software (generally, the later the version better) because a current software set from DIO will set you back over $2000... For more info, check out Bruce Lane's guide to DIO machines on Ebay: http://reviews.ebay.com/Data-I-O-Device-Programmers-A-Condensed-Reference_W0QQugidZ101698682?ssPageName=BUYGD:CAT:-1:SEARCH:3 _ Rediscover Hotmail®: Get quick friend updates right in your inbox. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Updates1_042009 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
