Re: [time-nuts] Off Topic Sortof: Board Rework Stations
It is amazing how affordable these rework stations have become. Ten years ago a station like these would cost you thousands of dollars. Thomas Knox Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 23:57:49 -0500 To: time-nuts@febo.com From: glennmaill...@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Off Topic Sortof: Board Rework Stations This is the station that I bought. It is not as sophisticated, but,not as much either. http://www.ebay.com/itm/11632887?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 73 Glenn WB4UIV At 09:45 PM 11/14/2013, you wrote: Bob, Yes - you definitely need the appropriate lens - here is a seller that has everything listed: http://www.ebay.com/itm/INFRARED-T862-SMT-SMD-REWORK-STATION-SOLDERING-WELDER-IRDA-BGA-MACHINE-/200949973718?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2ec98d42d6 I opted to get this though: http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRAND-NEW-T962A-INFRARED-IC-HEATER-REFLOW-OVEN-300X320MM-BGA-SMD-300x320mm-/200942081431?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2ec914d597 I may still pick up one of the T-862++'s though. Regards, John On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi If you look at the eBay listings they mention in some of them that what they are selling is without lenses. My impression was that you needed to focus the IR (like with a lens) to really get it to work well. I did not dig far enough to sort that part out. Bob On Nov 14, 2013, at 6:41 PM, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. j...@westmorelandengineering.com wrote: Graham, Thanks - good info. On eBay you can get these for ~$250.00 - depending on whether it is the T-862 or T-862++. So I guess that is a pretty good buy. Best Regards, John AJ6BC On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Graham / KE9H time...@austin.rr.com wrote: John: We have one at work. It basically works as represented. It takes some skill to run, and takes some time to develop the safe settings for soldering different sized items. It puts out a tremendous amount of infrared heat, and you can melt things if you are not careful. For instance, it will melt plastic connectors close to the part being reworked. You want to use it in a well ventilated area. It heats the board to be reworked from the underside to close to solder temperature, then uses infrared from the top side to push the temperature for the part in question above solder melting temp., and sometimes things close by. The underside heater is covered with silicon rubber, and gives off strong odor when hot. Hot PCB boards give off strong odors, and of course, you are melting solder and flux. So, good ventilation is highly recommended. You will need to practice on a few scrap boards before you try to solder something valuable. In the hands of a skilled operator, it does beautiful work. --- Graham == On 11/13/2013 9:00 PM, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. wrote: Hello All, I was wondering if anyone on this list has used the T862++ rework stations on the PCB's you work on - http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias% 3Dtoolsfield-keywords=t862%2B%2Brh=n%3A228013%2Ck%3At862%2B%2B Are these as good as advertised? Thanks In Advance, John Westmoreland ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time
Re: [time-nuts] Off Topic Sortof: Board Rework Stations
Thomas, You can say that again. Maybe this can help start a renaissance of sorts of garage started companies again in this country. To be able to rework BGA's for ~$200 - that is great. Regards, John W. On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Tom Knox act...@hotmail.com wrote: It is amazing how affordable these rework stations have become. Ten years ago a station like these would cost you thousands of dollars. Thomas Knox Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 23:57:49 -0500 To: time-nuts@febo.com From: glennmaill...@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Off Topic Sortof: Board Rework Stations This is the station that I bought. It is not as sophisticated, but,not as much either. http://www.ebay.com/itm/11632887?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 73 Glenn WB4UIV At 09:45 PM 11/14/2013, you wrote: Bob, Yes - you definitely need the appropriate lens - here is a seller that has everything listed: http://www.ebay.com/itm/INFRARED-T862-SMT-SMD-REWORK-STATION-SOLDERING-WELDER-IRDA-BGA-MACHINE-/200949973718?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2ec98d42d6 I opted to get this though: http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRAND-NEW-T962A-INFRARED-IC-HEATER-REFLOW-OVEN-300X320MM-BGA-SMD-300x320mm-/200942081431?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2ec914d597 I may still pick up one of the T-862++'s though. Regards, John On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi If you look at the eBay listings they mention in some of them that what they are selling is without lenses. My impression was that you needed to focus the IR (like with a lens) to really get it to work well. I did not dig far enough to sort that part out. Bob On Nov 14, 2013, at 6:41 PM, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. j...@westmorelandengineering.com wrote: Graham, Thanks - good info. On eBay you can get these for ~$250.00 - depending on whether it is the T-862 or T-862++. So I guess that is a pretty good buy. Best Regards, John AJ6BC On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Graham / KE9H time...@austin.rr.com wrote: John: We have one at work. It basically works as represented. It takes some skill to run, and takes some time to develop the safe settings for soldering different sized items. It puts out a tremendous amount of infrared heat, and you can melt things if you are not careful. For instance, it will melt plastic connectors close to the part being reworked. You want to use it in a well ventilated area. It heats the board to be reworked from the underside to close to solder temperature, then uses infrared from the top side to push the temperature for the part in question above solder melting temp., and sometimes things close by. The underside heater is covered with silicon rubber, and gives off strong odor when hot. Hot PCB boards give off strong odors, and of course, you are melting solder and flux. So, good ventilation is highly recommended. You will need to practice on a few scrap boards before you try to solder something valuable. In the hands of a skilled operator, it does beautiful work. --- Graham == On 11/13/2013 9:00 PM, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. wrote: Hello All, I was wondering if anyone on this list has used the T862++ rework stations on the PCB's you work on - http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias% 3Dtoolsfield-keywords=t862%2B%2Brh=n%3A228013%2Ck%3At862%2B%2B Are these as good as advertised? Thanks In Advance, John Westmoreland ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions
Re: [time-nuts] Off Topic Sortof: Board Rework Stations
John: We have one at work. It basically works as represented. It takes some skill to run, and takes some time to develop the safe settings for soldering different sized items. It puts out a tremendous amount of infrared heat, and you can melt things if you are not careful. For instance, it will melt plastic connectors close to the part being reworked. You want to use it in a well ventilated area. It heats the board to be reworked from the underside to close to solder temperature, then uses infrared from the top side to push the temperature for the part in question above solder melting temp., and sometimes things close by. The underside heater is covered with silicon rubber, and gives off strong odor when hot. Hot PCB boards give off strong odors, and of course, you are melting solder and flux. So, good ventilation is highly recommended. You will need to practice on a few scrap boards before you try to solder something valuable. In the hands of a skilled operator, it does beautiful work. --- Graham == On 11/13/2013 9:00 PM, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. wrote: Hello All, I was wondering if anyone on this list has used the T862++ rework stations on the PCB's you work on - http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dtoolsfield-keywords=t862%2B%2Brh=n%3A228013%2Ck%3At862%2B%2B Are these as good as advertised? Thanks In Advance, John Westmoreland ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Off Topic Sortof: Board Rework Stations
Graham, Thanks - good info. On eBay you can get these for ~$250.00 - depending on whether it is the T-862 or T-862++. So I guess that is a pretty good buy. Best Regards, John AJ6BC On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Graham / KE9H time...@austin.rr.comwrote: John: We have one at work. It basically works as represented. It takes some skill to run, and takes some time to develop the safe settings for soldering different sized items. It puts out a tremendous amount of infrared heat, and you can melt things if you are not careful. For instance, it will melt plastic connectors close to the part being reworked. You want to use it in a well ventilated area. It heats the board to be reworked from the underside to close to solder temperature, then uses infrared from the top side to push the temperature for the part in question above solder melting temp., and sometimes things close by. The underside heater is covered with silicon rubber, and gives off strong odor when hot. Hot PCB boards give off strong odors, and of course, you are melting solder and flux. So, good ventilation is highly recommended. You will need to practice on a few scrap boards before you try to solder something valuable. In the hands of a skilled operator, it does beautiful work. --- Graham == On 11/13/2013 9:00 PM, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. wrote: Hello All, I was wondering if anyone on this list has used the T862++ rework stations on the PCB's you work on - http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias% 3Dtoolsfield-keywords=t862%2B%2Brh=n%3A228013%2Ck%3At862%2B%2B Are these as good as advertised? Thanks In Advance, John Westmoreland ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Off Topic Sortof: Board Rework Stations
Hi If you look at the eBay listings they mention in some of them that what they are selling is “without lenses”. My impression was that you needed to focus the IR (like with a lens) to really get it to work well. I did not dig far enough to sort that part out. Bob On Nov 14, 2013, at 6:41 PM, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. j...@westmorelandengineering.com wrote: Graham, Thanks - good info. On eBay you can get these for ~$250.00 - depending on whether it is the T-862 or T-862++. So I guess that is a pretty good buy. Best Regards, John AJ6BC On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Graham / KE9H time...@austin.rr.comwrote: John: We have one at work. It basically works as represented. It takes some skill to run, and takes some time to develop the safe settings for soldering different sized items. It puts out a tremendous amount of infrared heat, and you can melt things if you are not careful. For instance, it will melt plastic connectors close to the part being reworked. You want to use it in a well ventilated area. It heats the board to be reworked from the underside to close to solder temperature, then uses infrared from the top side to push the temperature for the part in question above solder melting temp., and sometimes things close by. The underside heater is covered with silicon rubber, and gives off strong odor when hot. Hot PCB boards give off strong odors, and of course, you are melting solder and flux. So, good ventilation is highly recommended. You will need to practice on a few scrap boards before you try to solder something valuable. In the hands of a skilled operator, it does beautiful work. --- Graham == On 11/13/2013 9:00 PM, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. wrote: Hello All, I was wondering if anyone on this list has used the T862++ rework stations on the PCB's you work on - http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias% 3Dtoolsfield-keywords=t862%2B%2Brh=n%3A228013%2Ck%3At862%2B%2B Are these as good as advertised? Thanks In Advance, John Westmoreland ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Off Topic Sortof: Board Rework Stations
Bob, Yes - you definitely need the appropriate lens - here is a seller that has everything listed: http://www.ebay.com/itm/INFRARED-T862-SMT-SMD-REWORK-STATION-SOLDERING-WELDER-IRDA-BGA-MACHINE-/200949973718?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2ec98d42d6 I opted to get this though: http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRAND-NEW-T962A-INFRARED-IC-HEATER-REFLOW-OVEN-300X320MM-BGA-SMD-300x320mm-/200942081431?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2ec914d597 I may still pick up one of the T-862++'s though. Regards, John On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi If you look at the eBay listings they mention in some of them that what they are selling is “without lenses”. My impression was that you needed to focus the IR (like with a lens) to really get it to work well. I did not dig far enough to sort that part out. Bob On Nov 14, 2013, at 6:41 PM, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. j...@westmorelandengineering.com wrote: Graham, Thanks - good info. On eBay you can get these for ~$250.00 - depending on whether it is the T-862 or T-862++. So I guess that is a pretty good buy. Best Regards, John AJ6BC On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Graham / KE9H time...@austin.rr.com wrote: John: We have one at work. It basically works as represented. It takes some skill to run, and takes some time to develop the safe settings for soldering different sized items. It puts out a tremendous amount of infrared heat, and you can melt things if you are not careful. For instance, it will melt plastic connectors close to the part being reworked. You want to use it in a well ventilated area. It heats the board to be reworked from the underside to close to solder temperature, then uses infrared from the top side to push the temperature for the part in question above solder melting temp., and sometimes things close by. The underside heater is covered with silicon rubber, and gives off strong odor when hot. Hot PCB boards give off strong odors, and of course, you are melting solder and flux. So, good ventilation is highly recommended. You will need to practice on a few scrap boards before you try to solder something valuable. In the hands of a skilled operator, it does beautiful work. --- Graham == On 11/13/2013 9:00 PM, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. wrote: Hello All, I was wondering if anyone on this list has used the T862++ rework stations on the PCB's you work on - http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias% 3Dtoolsfield-keywords=t862%2B%2Brh=n%3A228013%2Ck%3At862%2B%2B Are these as good as advertised? Thanks In Advance, John Westmoreland ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Off Topic Sortof: Board Rework Stations
This is the station that I bought. It is not as sophisticated, but,not as much either. http://www.ebay.com/itm/11632887?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 73 Glenn WB4UIV At 09:45 PM 11/14/2013, you wrote: Bob, Yes - you definitely need the appropriate lens - here is a seller that has everything listed: http://www.ebay.com/itm/INFRARED-T862-SMT-SMD-REWORK-STATION-SOLDERING-WELDER-IRDA-BGA-MACHINE-/200949973718?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2ec98d42d6 I opted to get this though: http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRAND-NEW-T962A-INFRARED-IC-HEATER-REFLOW-OVEN-300X320MM-BGA-SMD-300x320mm-/200942081431?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2ec914d597 I may still pick up one of the T-862++'s though. Regards, John On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi If you look at the eBay listings they mention in some of them that what they are selling is without lenses. My impression was that you needed to focus the IR (like with a lens) to really get it to work well. I did not dig far enough to sort that part out. Bob On Nov 14, 2013, at 6:41 PM, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. j...@westmorelandengineering.com wrote: Graham, Thanks - good info. On eBay you can get these for ~$250.00 - depending on whether it is the T-862 or T-862++. So I guess that is a pretty good buy. Best Regards, John AJ6BC On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Graham / KE9H time...@austin.rr.com wrote: John: We have one at work. It basically works as represented. It takes some skill to run, and takes some time to develop the safe settings for soldering different sized items. It puts out a tremendous amount of infrared heat, and you can melt things if you are not careful. For instance, it will melt plastic connectors close to the part being reworked. You want to use it in a well ventilated area. It heats the board to be reworked from the underside to close to solder temperature, then uses infrared from the top side to push the temperature for the part in question above solder melting temp., and sometimes things close by. The underside heater is covered with silicon rubber, and gives off strong odor when hot. Hot PCB boards give off strong odors, and of course, you are melting solder and flux. So, good ventilation is highly recommended. You will need to practice on a few scrap boards before you try to solder something valuable. In the hands of a skilled operator, it does beautiful work. --- Graham == On 11/13/2013 9:00 PM, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. wrote: Hello All, I was wondering if anyone on this list has used the T862++ rework stations on the PCB's you work on - http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias% 3Dtoolsfield-keywords=t862%2B%2Brh=n%3A228013%2Ck%3At862%2B%2B Are these as good as advertised? Thanks In Advance, John Westmoreland ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] Off Topic Sortof: Board Rework Stations
Hello All, I was wondering if anyone on this list has used the T862++ rework stations on the PCB's you work on - http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dtoolsfield-keywords=t862%2B%2Brh=n%3A228013%2Ck%3At862%2B%2B Are these as good as advertised? Thanks In Advance, John Westmoreland ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
