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Many radio stations had at least one Western Union clock that generated a tone at the top of the hour. The clock was designed so that it ran just a slight bit fast. As the top of the hour approached, the second hand would be held momentarily at 00 seconds, then when the signal came down the line from Western Union, the second hand was released and at the same time a relay was closed to produce the hour "tone." Good stuff... 73, Don, W4WJ In a message dated 5/19/2011 11:21:20 A.M. Central Daylight Time, m...@maxsmusicplace.com writes: Is anyone else old enough to remember when you would hear on the radio "Time at the tone, 5 o'clock. Beep." The tone was anywhere from half a second to one second long and it might have been hard to pin down if the beginning or the end of the tone was 5 o'clock but it was probably within a couple of seconds accuracy which was plenty good for setting your watch or the kitchen clock. Why don't you hear that now a days? Digital TV has latency which is dependant on the equipment used by the cable or satellite company and is somewhat variable between receiver manufacturers. The engineer of our local public radio station told me that digital radio has 7 seconds delay. When I asked the station manager if there were any plans to run studio time 7 seconds ahead of real time so listeners would get accurate time he just frowned. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with transistors group send an email to. funwithtransistors-subscr...@yahoogroups.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, funwithtubes-subscr...@yahoogroups.com - Original Message - From: "Steve Rooke" To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Personal time keeping... >A number of years back the London Science Museum used to sell an Einstein > Relative Time Watch that just had the hours hand and was marked around the > dial, 1'ish, 2'ish, 3'ish, etc. I bought my ex one, don't know if she > still > has it. It's not the same as the new ones I have seen via Googling as I > think this was much more fun. > > Steve > > On 20 May 2011 02:55, Burt I. Weiner wrote: > >> Chuck, >> >> In another post I spoke about spending a few days with a fellow from >> DATUM. >> A lot of our idle chit-chat was about accuracy in timing and GPS >> vs.other >> off-air standards and propagation. He told me about his background in >> the >> military and precision measurements and about a watch he used to have >> that >> displayed in GPS seconds - fascinating stuffs. I noticed that he wasn't >> wearing a watch and I commented on that. He told me that he'd spent a >> good >> part of his life knowing precisely what time it was and still does the >> same >> thing in his work at DATUM. He then went on to comment that he was tired >> of >> knowing exactly what time it was and he personally got sick of knowing >> the >> exact time. He also said that looking at the kitchen clock once a day >> was >> close enough for him, that it reduced the stress on him. >> >> Burt >> >> At 07:43 AM 5/19/2011, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote >> >>> My personal preference is for highly jeweled totally mechanical >>> automatic winding wristwatches. My hobby compels me to have >>> high accuracy time and frequency around, but my life just >>> doesn't run with that kind of precision. >>> >>> -Chuck Harris >>> >> >> Burt I. Weiner Associates >> Broadcast Technical Services >> Glendale, California U.S.A. >> b...@att.net >> www.biwa.cc >> K6OQK >> >> ___ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > > > > -- > Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV & G8KVD > The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - > Einstein > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Hi Lester: Can you say more about that? I've got a bunch of WU clocks: http://www.prc68.com/I/SWCC2.shtml and the one at the top of the above web page is a radio studio clock with the second hand. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com Lester Veenstra wrote: Well in the old days, when I worked in AM radio, the beep was generated from a relay across the Western Union clock. Lester B Veenstra MØYCM K1YCM les...@veenstras.com m0...@veenstras.com k1...@veenstras.com US Postal Address: PSC 45 Box 781 APO AE 09468 USA UK Postal Address: Dawn Cottage Norwood, Harrogate HG3 1SD, UK Telephones: Office: +44-(0)1423-846-385 Home: +44-(0)1943-880-963 Guam Cell: +1-671-788-5654 UK Cell: +44-(0)7716-298-224 Jamaica: +1-876-352-7504 This e-mail and any documents attached hereto contain confidential or privileged information. The information is intended to be for use only by the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the e-mail to the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this e-mail or any documents attached hereto is prohibited. -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of William H. Fite Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 6:19 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Personal time keeping... I worked in a couple of stations that did this. The time hack (at the risk of bursting anyone's bubble as to accuracy) was based on glancing up at the control room clock and pushing a button to transmit the tone, all while creating the impression that it came directly from WWV. On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Max Robinson wrote: Is anyone else old enough to remember when you would hear on the radio "Time at the tone, 5 o'clock. Beep." The tone was anywhere from half a second to one second long and it might have been hard to pin down if the beginning or the end of the tone was 5 o'clock but it was probably within a couple of seconds accuracy which was plenty good for setting your watch or the kitchen clock. Why don't you hear that now a days? Digital TV has latency which is dependant on the equipment used by the cable or satellite company and is somewhat variable between receiver manufacturers. The engineer of our local public radio station told me that digital radio has 7 seconds delay. When I asked the station manager if there were any plans to run studio time 7 seconds ahead of real time so listeners would get accurate time he just frowned. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with transistors group send an email to. funwithtransistors-subscr...@yahoogroups.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, funwithtubes-subscr...@yahoogroups.com - Original Message - From: "Steve Rooke" To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"< time-nuts@febo.com> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Personal time keeping... A number of years back the London Science Museum used to sell an Einstein Relative Time Watch that just had the hours hand and was marked around the dial, 1'ish, 2'ish, 3'ish, etc. I bought my ex one, don't know if she still has it. It's not the same as the new ones I have seen via Googling as I think this was much more fun. Steve On 20 May 2011 02:55, Burt I. Weiner wrote: Chuck, In another post I spoke about spending a few days with a fellow from DATUM. A lot of our idle chit-chat was about accuracy in timing and GPS vs.other off-air standards and propagation. He told me about his background in the military and precision measurements and about a watch he used to have that displayed in GPS seconds - fascinating stuffs. I noticed that he wasn't wearing a watch and I commented on that. He told me that he'd spent a good part of his life knowing precisely what time it was and still does the same thing in his work at DATUM. He then went on to comment that he was tired of knowing exactly what time it was and he personally got sick of knowing the exact time. He also said that looking at the kitchen clock once a day was close enough for him, that it reduced the stress on him. Burt At 07:43 AM 5/19/2011, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote My personal preference is for highly jeweled totally mechanical automatic winding wristwatches. My hobby compels me to have high accuracy time and frequency around, but my life just doesn't run with that kind of pre
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Well in the old days, when I worked in AM radio, the beep was generated from a relay across the Western Union clock. Lester B Veenstra MØYCM K1YCM les...@veenstras.com m0...@veenstras.com k1...@veenstras.com US Postal Address: PSC 45 Box 781 APO AE 09468 USA UK Postal Address: Dawn Cottage Norwood, Harrogate HG3 1SD, UK Telephones: Office: +44-(0)1423-846-385 Home: +44-(0)1943-880-963 Guam Cell: +1-671-788-5654 UK Cell: +44-(0)7716-298-224 Jamaica: +1-876-352-7504 This e-mail and any documents attached hereto contain confidential or privileged information. The information is intended to be for use only by the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the e-mail to the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this e-mail or any documents attached hereto is prohibited. -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of William H. Fite Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 6:19 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Personal time keeping... I worked in a couple of stations that did this. The time hack (at the risk of bursting anyone's bubble as to accuracy) was based on glancing up at the control room clock and pushing a button to transmit the tone, all while creating the impression that it came directly from WWV. On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Max Robinson wrote: > Is anyone else old enough to remember when you would hear on the radio > "Time at the tone, 5 o'clock. Beep." The tone was anywhere from half a > second to one second long and it might have been hard to pin down if the > beginning or the end of the tone was 5 o'clock but it was probably within a > couple of seconds accuracy which was plenty good for setting your watch or > the kitchen clock. Why don't you hear that now a days? Digital TV has > latency which is dependant on the equipment used by the cable or satellite > company and is somewhat variable between receiver manufacturers. The > engineer of our local public radio station told me that digital radio has 7 > seconds delay. When I asked the station manager if there were any plans to > run studio time 7 seconds ahead of real time so listeners would get accurate > time he just frowned. > > Regards. > > Max. K 4 O D S. > > Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com > > Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net > Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net > Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com > > To subscribe to the fun with transistors group send an email to. > funwithtransistors-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, > funwithtubes-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > - Original Message - From: "Steve Rooke" > To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" < > time-nuts@febo.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 10:45 AM > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Personal time keeping... > > > > A number of years back the London Science Museum used to sell an Einstein >> Relative Time Watch that just had the hours hand and was marked around the >> dial, 1'ish, 2'ish, 3'ish, etc. I bought my ex one, don't know if she >> still >> has it. It's not the same as the new ones I have seen via Googling as I >> think this was much more fun. >> >> Steve >> >> On 20 May 2011 02:55, Burt I. Weiner wrote: >> >> Chuck, >>> >>> In another post I spoke about spending a few days with a fellow from >>> DATUM. >>> A lot of our idle chit-chat was about accuracy in timing and GPS >>> vs.other >>> off-air standards and propagation. He told me about his background in >>> the >>> military and precision measurements and about a watch he used to have >>> that >>> displayed in GPS seconds - fascinating stuffs. I noticed that he wasn't >>> wearing a watch and I commented on that. He told me that he'd spent a >>> good >>> part of his life knowing precisely what time it was and still does the >>> same >>> thing in his work at DATUM. He then went on to comment that he was tired >>> of >>> knowing exactly what time it was and he personally got sick of knowing >>> the >>> exact time. He also said that looking at the kitchen clock once a day >>> was >>> close enough for him, that it reduced the stress on him. >>> >>> Burt >>> >>> At 07:43 AM 5/19/2011, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote >>> >>
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This one was taken after The Doctor dropped me off in November this year. He picked the time and date perfectly, hence the shocked look on my face. http://jimpalfreyman.zenfolio.com/p420249340/e444AB1 On Saturday, 21 May 2011, Brooke Clarke wrote: > Hi Jim: > > How about a photo? > > Have Fun, > > Brooke Clarke > http://www.PRC68.com > > > Jim Palfreyman wrote: > > I have posted about this before, but I actually have one of the > original six speaking clocks used in Australia. I keep it running and > found a way to synchronise it to the gps. > > There was one in each state and it provided the message over the phone > as well as accurate time signals to radio stations. Originally it was > all synced back to a caesium unit in Melbourne via phone lines. They > knew the phone line delay because they put an atomic clock on a plane > and flew it to each state on installation. > > It's my most treasured possession. I have it connected up to an old > black Bakelite phone for extra ooohhs and aaahhhs. > > It's the size of a fridge. > > Jim > > > On Friday, 20 May 2011, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > > > On 05/19/11 05:20 PM, Max Robinson wrote: > > > > Is anyone else old enough to remember when you would hear on the radio > "Time at the tone, 5 o'clock. Beep." The tone was anywhere from half a > second to one second long and it might have been hard to pin down if the > beginning or the end of the tone was 5 o'clock but it was probably > within a couple of seconds accuracy which was plenty good for setting > your watch or the kitchen clock. Why don't you hear that now a days? > Digital TV has latency which is dependant on the equipment used by the > cable or satellite company and is somewhat variable between receiver > manufacturers. The engineer of our local public radio station told me > that digital radio has 7 seconds delay. When I asked the station manager > if there were any plans to run studio time 7 seconds ahead of real time > so listeners would get accurate time he just frowned. > > Regards. > > Max. K 4 O D S. > > Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com > > > In the UK you can phone the number "123" from a BT phone and get: > > At the third stoke the time from BT will be 10 10 and fixty seconds beep beep > beep > At the third stoke the time from BT will be 10 11 precisely beep beep beep > At the third stoke the time from BT will be 10 11 and ten seconds beep beep > beep > > At one time (excuse the pun), it used to say something like "At the third > stoke the time sponsored by Accurist will be ..." > > Before that, I can't recall, but I think when I was younger there was neither > BT or Accurist in the message. > > > -- > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > A: Top-posting. > Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Hi Jim: How about a photo? Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com Jim Palfreyman wrote: I have posted about this before, but I actually have one of the original six speaking clocks used in Australia. I keep it running and found a way to synchronise it to the gps. There was one in each state and it provided the message over the phone as well as accurate time signals to radio stations. Originally it was all synced back to a caesium unit in Melbourne via phone lines. They knew the phone line delay because they put an atomic clock on a plane and flew it to each state on installation. It's my most treasured possession. I have it connected up to an old black Bakelite phone for extra ooohhs and aaahhhs. It's the size of a fridge. Jim On Friday, 20 May 2011, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: On 05/19/11 05:20 PM, Max Robinson wrote: Is anyone else old enough to remember when you would hear on the radio "Time at the tone, 5 o'clock. Beep." The tone was anywhere from half a second to one second long and it might have been hard to pin down if the beginning or the end of the tone was 5 o'clock but it was probably within a couple of seconds accuracy which was plenty good for setting your watch or the kitchen clock. Why don't you hear that now a days? Digital TV has latency which is dependant on the equipment used by the cable or satellite company and is somewhat variable between receiver manufacturers. The engineer of our local public radio station told me that digital radio has 7 seconds delay. When I asked the station manager if there were any plans to run studio time 7 seconds ahead of real time so listeners would get accurate time he just frowned. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com In the UK you can phone the number "123" from a BT phone and get: At the third stoke the time from BT will be 10 10 and fixty seconds beep beep beep At the third stoke the time from BT will be 10 11 precisely beep beep beep At the third stoke the time from BT will be 10 11 and ten seconds beep beep beep At one time (excuse the pun), it used to say something like "At the third stoke the time sponsored by Accurist will be ..." Before that, I can't recall, but I think when I was younger there was neither BT or Accurist in the message. -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I have posted about this before, but I actually have one of the original six speaking clocks used in Australia. I keep it running and found a way to synchronise it to the gps. There was one in each state and it provided the message over the phone as well as accurate time signals to radio stations. Originally it was all synced back to a caesium unit in Melbourne via phone lines. They knew the phone line delay because they put an atomic clock on a plane and flew it to each state on installation. It's my most treasured possession. I have it connected up to an old black Bakelite phone for extra ooohhs and aaahhhs. It's the size of a fridge. Jim On Friday, 20 May 2011, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > On 05/19/11 05:20 PM, Max Robinson wrote: > > > > Is anyone else old enough to remember when you would hear on the radio > "Time at the tone, 5 o'clock. Beep." The tone was anywhere from half a > second to one second long and it might have been hard to pin down if the > beginning or the end of the tone was 5 o'clock but it was probably > within a couple of seconds accuracy which was plenty good for setting > your watch or the kitchen clock. Why don't you hear that now a days? > Digital TV has latency which is dependant on the equipment used by the > cable or satellite company and is somewhat variable between receiver > manufacturers. The engineer of our local public radio station told me > that digital radio has 7 seconds delay. When I asked the station manager > if there were any plans to run studio time 7 seconds ahead of real time > so listeners would get accurate time he just frowned. > > Regards. > > Max. K 4 O D S. > > Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com > > > In the UK you can phone the number "123" from a BT phone and get: > > At the third stoke the time from BT will be 10 10 and fixty seconds beep beep > beep > At the third stoke the time from BT will be 10 11 precisely beep beep beep > At the third stoke the time from BT will be 10 11 and ten seconds beep beep > beep > > At one time (excuse the pun), it used to say something like "At the third > stoke the time sponsored by Accurist will be ..." > > Before that, I can't recall, but I think when I was younger there was neither > BT or Accurist in the message. > > > -- > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > A: Top-posting. > Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On 05/19/11 05:28 PM, Ed Palmer wrote: I give up!! Here's the link to the anti-timenuts clock! :-[ http://www.dayclocks.com/ Shame they don't use GPS in it, so one knows exactly when a new day starts! Dave Ed Palmer wrote: The joke kinda falls flat when the picture isn't included. Ed Palmer wrote: Sounds like your friend is a customer for an anti-timenuts clock. :-) Ed Burt I. Weiner wrote: Chuck, In another post I spoke about spending a few days with a fellow from DATUM. A lot of our idle chit-chat was about accuracy in timing and GPS vs.other off-air standards and propagation. He told me about his background in the military and precision measurements and about a watch he used to have that displayed in GPS seconds - fascinating stuffs. I noticed that he wasn't wearing a watch and I commented on that. He told me that he'd spent a good part of his life knowing precisely what time it was and still does the same thing in his work at DATUM. He then went on to comment that he was tired of knowing exactly what time it was and he personally got sick of knowing the exact time. He also said that looking at the kitchen clock once a day was close enough for him, that it reduced the stress on him. Burt At 07:43 AM 5/19/2011, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote My personal preference is for highly jeweled totally mechanical automatic winding wristwatches. My hobby compels me to have high accuracy time and frequency around, but my life just doesn't run with that kind of precision. -Chuck Harris Burt I. Weiner Associates Broadcast Technical Services Glendale, California U.S.A. b...@att.net www.biwa.cc K6OQK ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On 05/19/11 05:20 PM, Max Robinson wrote: Is anyone else old enough to remember when you would hear on the radio "Time at the tone, 5 o'clock. Beep." The tone was anywhere from half a second to one second long and it might have been hard to pin down if the beginning or the end of the tone was 5 o'clock but it was probably within a couple of seconds accuracy which was plenty good for setting your watch or the kitchen clock. Why don't you hear that now a days? Digital TV has latency which is dependant on the equipment used by the cable or satellite company and is somewhat variable between receiver manufacturers. The engineer of our local public radio station told me that digital radio has 7 seconds delay. When I asked the station manager if there were any plans to run studio time 7 seconds ahead of real time so listeners would get accurate time he just frowned. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com In the UK you can phone the number "123" from a BT phone and get: At the third stoke the time from BT will be 10 10 and fixty seconds beep beep beep At the third stoke the time from BT will be 10 11 precisely beep beep beep At the third stoke the time from BT will be 10 11 and ten seconds beep beep beep At one time (excuse the pun), it used to say something like "At the third stoke the time sponsored by Accurist will be ..." Before that, I can't recall, but I think when I was younger there was neither BT or Accurist in the message. -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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When I was a kid growing up in the Detroit area the telephone company's time service gave a message every ten seconds: "At the tone, the time will be 9:45 and twenty seconds... BEEP". When I moved to Iowa City, Iowa, for graduate school, the telephone company's time service message was "The time is 9:45", no beep, no ten second update. What a culture shock that was. Every morning the University of Iowa power plant blew a steam whistle at 8 am. People adjusted their schedules to the whistle. One year on April Fools Day they blew the whistle at 7 am. That must have caused a few heart attacks. Dan Schultz N8FGV ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Who was the man from Datum? Rob K -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Burt I. Weiner Sent: 19 May 2011 15:56 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Personal time keeping... Chuck, In another post I spoke about spending a few days with a fellow from DATUM. A lot of our idle chit-chat was about accuracy in timing and GPS vs.other off-air standards and propagation. He told me about his background in the military and precision measurements and about a watch he used to have that displayed in GPS seconds - fascinating stuffs. I noticed that he wasn't wearing a watch and I commented on that. He told me that he'd spent a good part of his life knowing precisely what time it was and still does the same thing in his work at DATUM. He then went on to comment that he was tired of knowing exactly what time it was and he personally got sick of knowing the exact time. He also said that looking at the kitchen clock once a day was close enough for him, that it reduced the stress on him. Burt At 07:43 AM 5/19/2011, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote >My personal preference is for highly jeweled totally mechanical >automatic winding wristwatches. My hobby compels me to have high >accuracy time and frequency around, but my life just doesn't run with >that kind of precision. > >-Chuck Harris Burt I. Weiner Associates Broadcast Technical Services Glendale, California U.S.A. b...@att.net www.biwa.cc K6OQK ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I have to say there are days and months when I could use a clock on the wall that just says the day and date. My Russian watch gives the date, but I can't read it without reading glasses, so it might just as well not bother. -Chuck Harris Ed Palmer wrote: I give up!! Here's the link to the anti-timenuts clock! :-[ http://www.dayclocks.com/ Ed Palmer wrote: The joke kinda falls flat when the picture isn't included. Ed Palmer wrote: Sounds like your friend is a customer for an anti-timenuts clock. :-) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I worked in a couple of stations that did this. The time hack (at the risk of bursting anyone's bubble as to accuracy) was based on glancing up at the control room clock and pushing a button to transmit the tone, all while creating the impression that it came directly from WWV. On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Max Robinson wrote: > Is anyone else old enough to remember when you would hear on the radio > "Time at the tone, 5 o'clock. Beep." The tone was anywhere from half a > second to one second long and it might have been hard to pin down if the > beginning or the end of the tone was 5 o'clock but it was probably within a > couple of seconds accuracy which was plenty good for setting your watch or > the kitchen clock. Why don't you hear that now a days? Digital TV has > latency which is dependant on the equipment used by the cable or satellite > company and is somewhat variable between receiver manufacturers. The > engineer of our local public radio station told me that digital radio has 7 > seconds delay. When I asked the station manager if there were any plans to > run studio time 7 seconds ahead of real time so listeners would get accurate > time he just frowned. > > Regards. > > Max. K 4 O D S. > > Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com > > Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net > Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net > Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com > > To subscribe to the fun with transistors group send an email to. > funwithtransistors-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, > funwithtubes-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > - Original Message - From: "Steve Rooke" > To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" < > time-nuts@febo.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 10:45 AM > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Personal time keeping... > > > > A number of years back the London Science Museum used to sell an Einstein >> Relative Time Watch that just had the hours hand and was marked around the >> dial, 1'ish, 2'ish, 3'ish, etc. I bought my ex one, don't know if she >> still >> has it. It's not the same as the new ones I have seen via Googling as I >> think this was much more fun. >> >> Steve >> >> On 20 May 2011 02:55, Burt I. Weiner wrote: >> >> Chuck, >>> >>> In another post I spoke about spending a few days with a fellow from >>> DATUM. >>> A lot of our idle chit-chat was about accuracy in timing and GPS >>> vs.other >>> off-air standards and propagation. He told me about his background in >>> the >>> military and precision measurements and about a watch he used to have >>> that >>> displayed in GPS seconds - fascinating stuffs. I noticed that he wasn't >>> wearing a watch and I commented on that. He told me that he'd spent a >>> good >>> part of his life knowing precisely what time it was and still does the >>> same >>> thing in his work at DATUM. He then went on to comment that he was tired >>> of >>> knowing exactly what time it was and he personally got sick of knowing >>> the >>> exact time. He also said that looking at the kitchen clock once a day >>> was >>> close enough for him, that it reduced the stress on him. >>> >>> Burt >>> >>> At 07:43 AM 5/19/2011, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote >>> >>> My personal preference is for highly jeweled totally mechanical >>>> automatic winding wristwatches. My hobby compels me to have >>>> high accuracy time and frequency around, but my life just >>>> doesn't run with that kind of precision. >>>> >>>> -Chuck Harris >>>> >>>> >>> Burt I. Weiner Associates >>> Broadcast Technical Services >>> Glendale, California U.S.A. >>> b...@att.net >>> www.biwa.cc >>> K6OQK >>> >>> ___ >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>> To unsubscribe, go to >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>> and follow the instructions there. >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV & G8KVD >> The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - >> Einstein >> ___ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> >> > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Personal time keeping...
I give up!! Here's the link to the anti-timenuts clock! :-[ http://www.dayclocks.com/ Ed Palmer wrote: The joke kinda falls flat when the picture isn't included. Ed Palmer wrote: Sounds like your friend is a customer for an anti-timenuts clock. :-) Ed Burt I. Weiner wrote: Chuck, In another post I spoke about spending a few days with a fellow from DATUM. A lot of our idle chit-chat was about accuracy in timing and GPS vs.other off-air standards and propagation. He told me about his background in the military and precision measurements and about a watch he used to have that displayed in GPS seconds - fascinating stuffs. I noticed that he wasn't wearing a watch and I commented on that. He told me that he'd spent a good part of his life knowing precisely what time it was and still does the same thing in his work at DATUM. He then went on to comment that he was tired of knowing exactly what time it was and he personally got sick of knowing the exact time. He also said that looking at the kitchen clock once a day was close enough for him, that it reduced the stress on him. Burt At 07:43 AM 5/19/2011, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote My personal preference is for highly jeweled totally mechanical automatic winding wristwatches. My hobby compels me to have high accuracy time and frequency around, but my life just doesn't run with that kind of precision. -Chuck Harris Burt I. Weiner Associates Broadcast Technical Services Glendale, California U.S.A. b...@att.net www.biwa.cc K6OQK ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Personal time keeping...
The joke kinda falls flat when the picture isn't included. Ed Palmer wrote: Sounds like your friend is a customer for an anti-timenuts clock. :-) Ed Burt I. Weiner wrote: Chuck, In another post I spoke about spending a few days with a fellow from DATUM. A lot of our idle chit-chat was about accuracy in timing and GPS vs.other off-air standards and propagation. He told me about his background in the military and precision measurements and about a watch he used to have that displayed in GPS seconds - fascinating stuffs. I noticed that he wasn't wearing a watch and I commented on that. He told me that he'd spent a good part of his life knowing precisely what time it was and still does the same thing in his work at DATUM. He then went on to comment that he was tired of knowing exactly what time it was and he personally got sick of knowing the exact time. He also said that looking at the kitchen clock once a day was close enough for him, that it reduced the stress on him. Burt At 07:43 AM 5/19/2011, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote My personal preference is for highly jeweled totally mechanical automatic winding wristwatches. My hobby compels me to have high accuracy time and frequency around, but my life just doesn't run with that kind of precision. -Chuck Harris Burt I. Weiner Associates Broadcast Technical Services Glendale, California U.S.A. b...@att.net www.biwa.cc K6OQK ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Personal time keeping...
Is anyone else old enough to remember when you would hear on the radio "Time at the tone, 5 o'clock. Beep." The tone was anywhere from half a second to one second long and it might have been hard to pin down if the beginning or the end of the tone was 5 o'clock but it was probably within a couple of seconds accuracy which was plenty good for setting your watch or the kitchen clock. Why don't you hear that now a days? Digital TV has latency which is dependant on the equipment used by the cable or satellite company and is somewhat variable between receiver manufacturers. The engineer of our local public radio station told me that digital radio has 7 seconds delay. When I asked the station manager if there were any plans to run studio time 7 seconds ahead of real time so listeners would get accurate time he just frowned. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with transistors group send an email to. funwithtransistors-subscr...@yahoogroups.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, funwithtubes-subscr...@yahoogroups.com - Original Message - From: "Steve Rooke" To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Personal time keeping... A number of years back the London Science Museum used to sell an Einstein Relative Time Watch that just had the hours hand and was marked around the dial, 1'ish, 2'ish, 3'ish, etc. I bought my ex one, don't know if she still has it. It's not the same as the new ones I have seen via Googling as I think this was much more fun. Steve On 20 May 2011 02:55, Burt I. Weiner wrote: Chuck, In another post I spoke about spending a few days with a fellow from DATUM. A lot of our idle chit-chat was about accuracy in timing and GPS vs.other off-air standards and propagation. He told me about his background in the military and precision measurements and about a watch he used to have that displayed in GPS seconds - fascinating stuffs. I noticed that he wasn't wearing a watch and I commented on that. He told me that he'd spent a good part of his life knowing precisely what time it was and still does the same thing in his work at DATUM. He then went on to comment that he was tired of knowing exactly what time it was and he personally got sick of knowing the exact time. He also said that looking at the kitchen clock once a day was close enough for him, that it reduced the stress on him. Burt At 07:43 AM 5/19/2011, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote My personal preference is for highly jeweled totally mechanical automatic winding wristwatches. My hobby compels me to have high accuracy time and frequency around, but my life just doesn't run with that kind of precision. -Chuck Harris Burt I. Weiner Associates Broadcast Technical Services Glendale, California U.S.A. b...@att.net www.biwa.cc K6OQK ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV & G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Personal time keeping...
A number of years back the London Science Museum used to sell an Einstein Relative Time Watch that just had the hours hand and was marked around the dial, 1'ish, 2'ish, 3'ish, etc. I bought my ex one, don't know if she still has it. It's not the same as the new ones I have seen via Googling as I think this was much more fun. Steve On 20 May 2011 02:55, Burt I. Weiner wrote: > Chuck, > > In another post I spoke about spending a few days with a fellow from DATUM. > A lot of our idle chit-chat was about accuracy in timing and GPS vs.other > off-air standards and propagation. He told me about his background in the > military and precision measurements and about a watch he used to have that > displayed in GPS seconds - fascinating stuffs. I noticed that he wasn't > wearing a watch and I commented on that. He told me that he'd spent a good > part of his life knowing precisely what time it was and still does the same > thing in his work at DATUM. He then went on to comment that he was tired of > knowing exactly what time it was and he personally got sick of knowing the > exact time. He also said that looking at the kitchen clock once a day was > close enough for him, that it reduced the stress on him. > > Burt > > At 07:43 AM 5/19/2011, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote > >> My personal preference is for highly jeweled totally mechanical >> automatic winding wristwatches. My hobby compels me to have >> high accuracy time and frequency around, but my life just >> doesn't run with that kind of precision. >> >> -Chuck Harris >> > > Burt I. Weiner Associates > Broadcast Technical Services > Glendale, California U.S.A. > b...@att.net > www.biwa.cc > K6OQK > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV & G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Personal time keeping...
Sounds like your friend is a customer for an anti-timenuts clock. :-) Ed Burt I. Weiner wrote: Chuck, In another post I spoke about spending a few days with a fellow from DATUM. A lot of our idle chit-chat was about accuracy in timing and GPS vs.other off-air standards and propagation. He told me about his background in the military and precision measurements and about a watch he used to have that displayed in GPS seconds - fascinating stuffs. I noticed that he wasn't wearing a watch and I commented on that. He told me that he'd spent a good part of his life knowing precisely what time it was and still does the same thing in his work at DATUM. He then went on to comment that he was tired of knowing exactly what time it was and he personally got sick of knowing the exact time. He also said that looking at the kitchen clock once a day was close enough for him, that it reduced the stress on him. Burt At 07:43 AM 5/19/2011, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote My personal preference is for highly jeweled totally mechanical automatic winding wristwatches. My hobby compels me to have high accuracy time and frequency around, but my life just doesn't run with that kind of precision. -Chuck Harris Burt I. Weiner Associates Broadcast Technical Services Glendale, California U.S.A. b...@att.net www.biwa.cc K6OQK ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] Personal time keeping...
Chuck, In another post I spoke about spending a few days with a fellow from DATUM. A lot of our idle chit-chat was about accuracy in timing and GPS vs.other off-air standards and propagation. He told me about his background in the military and precision measurements and about a watch he used to have that displayed in GPS seconds - fascinating stuffs. I noticed that he wasn't wearing a watch and I commented on that. He told me that he'd spent a good part of his life knowing precisely what time it was and still does the same thing in his work at DATUM. He then went on to comment that he was tired of knowing exactly what time it was and he personally got sick of knowing the exact time. He also said that looking at the kitchen clock once a day was close enough for him, that it reduced the stress on him. Burt At 07:43 AM 5/19/2011, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote My personal preference is for highly jeweled totally mechanical automatic winding wristwatches. My hobby compels me to have high accuracy time and frequency around, but my life just doesn't run with that kind of precision. -Chuck Harris Burt I. Weiner Associates Broadcast Technical Services Glendale, California U.S.A. b...@att.net www.biwa.cc K6OQK ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
