Re: [time-nuts] Skilled Math Editor(s) Needed

[William H. Fite]

G'morning, Bill. I didn't mean to sound like I expected Perry to pick up
the ball and run with it, only that Latex was the way to go for whomever
picked it up.

I'd volunteer to lend a hand with that but we're both so committed with
projects into the foreseeable future that there is no time remaining to
take on anything new.



On Wednesday, January 3, 2018, Bill Hawkins  wrote:

> Friends in time,
>
> Perry has apparently reached a major change in his life, perhaps because
> of a doctor's diagnosis - but there are zillions of other reasons. It
> seems to me that he is looking for someone to pick up his project and
> run with it.
>
> Advising him on the ways he could continue is probably not useful. He
> needs someone to take the baton and take it further.
>
> I say this as one who has downsized by 75% in order to move into a life
> care community after my wife and I had cancer scares and no long term
> care insurance.
>
> A cousin was the copy editor for Gone With the Wind and other Doubleday
> books. I seem to have inherited some of those genes. But I can't tell a
> bad equation from a good one, and my French ended in High School.
>
> Happy new year to the best list on the Internet.
>
> Bill Hawkins
>
>
>
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Re: [time-nuts] Skilled Math Editor(s) Needed

[Magnus Danielson]

Hi Perry,

I have done the exercise on another book.

The copyright holder released the material under Creative Commons
license, so that helped to remove any issues and let us focus on the
content.

We put it on github and from the OCR original I did a translation into
LaTeX. Even on the third or is it fourth run-through we still fix OCR
issues and original faults.

The benefit of using github and a good license is that we got folks
joining us as we where working, some have done minor contributions and
others have just joined the theme, contributing on stuff they feel they
can contribute. One for instance just reviews text, but oh what he
contributes to clean things out. It turns out to have been a very
efficient way of operating. For some stuff I have done some
heavy-lifting to resolve issues, and others have then come in to clean
up stuff. I have then tried to have people focused on the right tasks.
Others come in to focus on the layout of the book, being skilled in
Layout and LaTeX.

This is the way forward for projects like this.

Cheers & 73,
Magnus SA0MAD

On 01/03/2018 02:41 AM, Perry Sandeen via time-nuts wrote:
> HI,
> At the request of a TN member (who wishes to remain anonymous)I started to 
> reproduce:
> 
> 
>  
> The Quantum Physics of Atomic Frequency Standards Volume 1By Jacques Vanier  
> Division de Physique,Conseil National de Recherches, Ottawa and Claude Audoin 
>  Laboratoire de I’Horloge Atomique, CentreNational de la Recherche 
> Scientifique, Universite Paris Sud, Orsay. From aphotocopy he had.
> 
> 
>  
> I tried to do this as its used price will cost you yourfirst born child.
> 
> 
>  
> The original copyright was 1989.  The copyright has expired and the document 
> isnow in the public domain
> 
> 
>  
> So I digitally reproduced and translated it into AmericanEnglish in March 
> 2016.  Additionalliberty in editing was taken. Many paragraphs contained more 
> than one subjectso using standard writing guidelines they were split up for 
> an easierunderstanding of the concepts being presented. 
> 
> 
>  
> Many formulae had to be transferred images, and are veryclear, as re-typing 
> would have delayed this project to infinity. Lastly, textwas transferred by 
> OCR. Many drawings had to be edited using PhotoShop  Elements as the 
> originals were smeared. 
> 
> 
>  
> I spent about 200 hours doing this.
> 
> 
>  
> Some formula symbols were not accurately reproduced.  I don’t have the math 
> ability needed toretype most formulae. No material was added or deleted
> 
> 
>  
> I can send to all who wish it a DVD with the 800+ Mbytes ofraw data and the 
> partial (5%) I have accomplished.
> 
> 
>  
> Due to permanent changes in my life I will never be able tospend time on this 
> again. I just don’t want delete the material.
> 
> 
>  
> Regards,
> 
> 
>  
> Perrier
> 
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Re: [time-nuts] Skilled Math Editor(s) Needed

[Bruce Griffiths]

It was not my intent to suggest that Perry should continue the work using Latex.

I was merely considering the most effective and efficient way to complete this 
undertaking, whoever elects to pick it up.

The original is written in English so an extensive knowledge of French isn't 
required.

At 616 pages (according to the Amazon listing), or 1567 pages ( according to 
the google books entry)  the task isn't perhaps quite as daunting as I 
originally thought. 

Even so it may take 1-2 years at 3 pages/day.

Bruce

> 
> On 03 January 2018 at 19:27 Bill Hawkins  wrote:
> 
> Friends in time,
> 
> Perry has apparently reached a major change in his life, perhaps because
> of a doctor's diagnosis - but there are zillions of other reasons. It
> seems to me that he is looking for someone to pick up his project and
> run with it.
> 
> Advising him on the ways he could continue is probably not useful. He
> needs someone to take the baton and take it further.
> 
> I say this as one who has downsized by 75% in order to move into a life
> care community after my wife and I had cancer scares and no long term
> care insurance.
> 
> A cousin was the copy editor for Gone With the Wind and other Doubleday
> books. I seem to have inherited some of those genes. But I can't tell a
> bad equation from a good one, and my French ended in High School.
> 
> Happy new year to the best list on the Internet.
> 
> Bill Hawkins
> 
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Re: [time-nuts] Skilled Math Editor(s) Needed

[Bill Hawkins]

Friends in time,

Perry has apparently reached a major change in his life, perhaps because
of a doctor's diagnosis - but there are zillions of other reasons. It
seems to me that he is looking for someone to pick up his project and
run with it.

Advising him on the ways he could continue is probably not useful. He
needs someone to take the baton and take it further.

I say this as one who has downsized by 75% in order to move into a life
care community after my wife and I had cancer scares and no long term
care insurance.

A cousin was the copy editor for Gone With the Wind and other Doubleday
books. I seem to have inherited some of those genes. But I can't tell a
bad equation from a good one, and my French ended in High School.

Happy new year to the best list on the Internet.

Bill Hawkins



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Re: [time-nuts] Skilled Math Editor(s) Needed

[William H. Fite]

Latex really is the only way to go. It is the de facto standard and not all
that hard to learn. My spouse and I have used it extensively for more than
15 years, constructing some fairly arcane formulae in quantum theory.



On Tuesday, January 2, 2018, Bruce Griffiths 
wrote:

> Using Latex for the typesetting is probably the optimum solution for a
> Technical/Scientific publiication such as this.
>
> Most such publications are typeset using Latex these days.
>
> If one is familiar with Latex the odd typo when typesetting an equation
> (for example) can make it blatantly obvious that Latex was employed to
> typset a document.
>
> Suitable templates are freely available along with toolsets for Nuclear
> Physics, Chemistry and Mathematics etc
>
> Bruce
>
> >
> > On 03 January 2018 at 14:41 Perry Sandeen via time-nuts <
> time-nuts@febo.com> wrote:
> >
> > HI,
> > At the request of a TN member (who wishes to remain anonymous)I
> started to reproduce:
> >
> > The Quantum Physics of Atomic Frequency Standards Volume 1By Jacques
> Vanier Division de Physique,Conseil National de Recherches, Ottawa and
> Claude Audoin Laboratoire de I’Horloge Atomique, CentreNational de la
> Recherche Scientifique, Universite Paris Sud, Orsay. From aphotocopy he had.
> >
> > I tried to do this as its used price will cost you yourfirst born
> child.
> >
> > The original copyright was 1989. The copyright has expired and the
> document isnow in the public domain
> >
> > So I digitally reproduced and translated it into AmericanEnglish in
> March 2016. Additionalliberty in editing was taken. Many paragraphs
> contained more than one subjectso using standard writing guidelines they
> were split up for an easierunderstanding of the concepts being presented.
> >
> > Many formulae had to be transferred images, and are veryclear, as
> re-typing would have delayed this project to infinity. Lastly, textwas
> transferred by OCR. Many drawings had to be edited using PhotoShop Elements
> as the originals were smeared.
> >
> > I spent about 200 hours doing this.
> >
> > Some formula symbols were not accurately reproduced. I don’t have
> the math ability needed toretype most formulae. No material was added or
> deleted
> >
> > I can send to all who wish it a DVD with the 800+ Mbytes ofraw data
> and the partial (5%) I have accomplished.
> >
> > Due to permanent changes in my life I will never be able tospend
> time on this again. I just don’t want delete the material.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Perrier
> >
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Re: [time-nuts] Skilled Math Editor(s) Needed

[Bruce Griffiths]

Using Latex for the typesetting is probably the optimum solution for a 
Technical/Scientific publiication such as this.

Most such publications are typeset using Latex these days.

If one is familiar with Latex the odd typo when typesetting an equation (for 
example) can make it blatantly obvious that Latex was employed to typset a 
document.

Suitable templates are freely available along with toolsets for Nuclear 
Physics, Chemistry and Mathematics etc

Bruce  

> 
> On 03 January 2018 at 14:41 Perry Sandeen via time-nuts 
>  wrote:
> 
> HI,
> At the request of a TN member (who wishes to remain anonymous)I started 
> to reproduce:
> 
> The Quantum Physics of Atomic Frequency Standards Volume 1By Jacques 
> Vanier Division de Physique,Conseil National de Recherches, Ottawa and Claude 
> Audoin Laboratoire de I’Horloge Atomique, CentreNational de la Recherche 
> Scientifique, Universite Paris Sud, Orsay. From aphotocopy he had.
> 
> I tried to do this as its used price will cost you yourfirst born child.
> 
> The original copyright was 1989. The copyright has expired and the 
> document isnow in the public domain
> 
> So I digitally reproduced and translated it into AmericanEnglish in March 
> 2016. Additionalliberty in editing was taken. Many paragraphs contained more 
> than one subjectso using standard writing guidelines they were split up for 
> an easierunderstanding of the concepts being presented.
> 
> Many formulae had to be transferred images, and are veryclear, as 
> re-typing would have delayed this project to infinity. Lastly, textwas 
> transferred by OCR. Many drawings had to be edited using PhotoShop Elements 
> as the originals were smeared.
> 
> I spent about 200 hours doing this.
> 
> Some formula symbols were not accurately reproduced. I don’t have the 
> math ability needed toretype most formulae. No material was added or deleted
> 
> I can send to all who wish it a DVD with the 800+ Mbytes ofraw data and 
> the partial (5%) I have accomplished.
> 
> Due to permanent changes in my life I will never be able tospend time on 
> this again. I just don’t want delete the material.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Perrier
> 
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Re: [time-nuts] Skilled Math Editor(s) Needed

[Artek Manuals]

Perry et all

As someone who indirectly makes a living (? ...ok so it pays for my 
addiction to expensive electronic toys) with OCR as a tool , I can tell 
you that OCR can bring a host of errors.Most OCR engines that i am 
familiar with do not read in context. The largest error source are 
characters that look very similar which can be aggravated by the 
particular font used the lower case "L" (i.e l) and the number "1" are 
often mistaken by OCR engines . For years HP/Agilent for example used a 
font where these two were identical. Other sources of OCR misreading "I" 
(both upper case "I" and lower case"i" ) mistaken for the "L" and "1". 
Other common errors are "8" and "B"; "6" and "G" ,and so on. If accuracy 
is the end goal then and exhausting proof reading (a science into it 
self) is required have fun


Dave
manu...@artekmanuals.com

On 1/2/2018 8:41 PM, Perry Sandeen via time-nuts wrote:

Lastly, textwas transferred by OCR


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[time-nuts] Skilled Math Editor(s) Needed

[Perry Sandeen via time-nuts]

HI,
At the request of a TN member (who wishes to remain anonymous)I started to 
reproduce:


 
The Quantum Physics of Atomic Frequency Standards Volume 1By Jacques Vanier  
Division de Physique,Conseil National de Recherches, Ottawa and Claude Audoin  
Laboratoire de I’Horloge Atomique, CentreNational de la Recherche Scientifique, 
Universite Paris Sud, Orsay. From aphotocopy he had.


 
I tried to do this as its used price will cost you yourfirst born child.


 
The original copyright was 1989.  The copyright has expired and the document 
isnow in the public domain


 
So I digitally reproduced and translated it into AmericanEnglish in March 2016. 
 Additionalliberty in editing was taken. Many paragraphs contained more than 
one subjectso using standard writing guidelines they were split up for an 
easierunderstanding of the concepts being presented. 


 
Many formulae had to be transferred images, and are veryclear, as re-typing 
would have delayed this project to infinity. Lastly, textwas transferred by 
OCR. Many drawings had to be edited using PhotoShop  Elements as the originals 
were smeared. 


 
I spent about 200 hours doing this.


 
Some formula symbols were not accurately reproduced.  I don’t have the math 
ability needed toretype most formulae. No material was added or deleted


 
I can send to all who wish it a DVD with the 800+ Mbytes ofraw data and the 
partial (5%) I have accomplished.


 
Due to permanent changes in my life I will never be able tospend time on this 
again. I just don’t want delete the material.


 
Regards,


 
Perrier

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