Re: [time-nuts] Subject: Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises on eBay
On 11 September 2012 05:46, gary li...@lazygranch.com wrote: Any chance the sellers name is Mark Bailey? No, it's not Mark Bailey. I assume he is someone else to avoid. Dave ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Subject: Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises on eBay
Shortly after I started bidding on eBay back in the 90's, I quickly learned that many of the sellers are not knowledgeable equipment shippers. My very first experience included a shipment from Britain of a very expensive communications receiver where the seller simply wrapped cardboard around it and dropped it off at the local shipping store. After sustaining a couple of damage incidents from things like this, I quickly started emailing a boilerplate clause after paying for the item stating how I wanted the item packed including types of packing and minimum clearances. I always asked for double boxing with at least 3 to 4 inches of dense material between boxes for the more heavier items. Packing requirements varied for the size, weight and type of items. And I was surprised how the sellers would work hard to meet those requirements. In a few instances where items weighed upwards of 100 lbs, I would obtain dimensions of the item(s) being sent, create a cardboard mockup of approximately the size and profile of the item, have my own container foamed-in-place at a local friendly company shipping department (paid them a few $$$) and send that container to the seller to use to ship the item to me. Now, after over 700 purchases on eBay, I can safely say that I have only received less than ten or so items that contained some form of damage. Never underestimate the transportation companies and their propensity to damage equipment. I had a piece of military electronics shipped from the east coast in it's original shipping container that consisted of 1/8 inch aluminum plate on the inside and outside of the container with 3/8 plywood sandwiched in between. The unit itself rested in a retainer of rigid foam at all corners that spaced it approximately 1-1/2 inches from the inside walls to absorb shock while in transit. The shipper placed the container and its contents in a cardboard box with reasonable packing. All told, the entire weight of the shipment was around 50 pounds. When received, I opened the package and found that the entire container apparently had received what was estimated to be a 15 or 20 foot drop onto concrete (probably off of a conveyor belt on to the floor) driving the front panel knobs of the unit entirely through the inside aluminum, the plywood and the exterior aluminum of the shipping container. The knobs were literally sticking out through the exterior of the container!! The transit company (UPS) tried to tell me that it was poorly packed for shipment. Greg On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 23:16:55 +0100, David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: I hope the list admin does not mind this email, but I think it will be useful to any time nut buying test equipment from eBay. orzel-enterprises sells electronic test equipment on eBay. I would advise anyone to think twice before purchasing from him. This is how he shipped a vector network analyzer and S-parameter test set which I won on an auction for $2750. It was shipped from the USA to the UK. Remainder snipped ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Subject: Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises on eBay
On 11 September 2012 01:19, Gregory Muir engineer...@mt.net wrote: After sustaining a couple of damage incidents from things like this, I quickly started emailing a boilerplate clause after paying for the item stating how I wanted the item packed including types of packing and minimum clearances. I always asked for double boxing with at least 3 to 4 inches of dense material between boxes for the more heavier items. Packing requirements varied for the size, weight and type of items. And I was surprised how the sellers would work hard to meet those requirements. That sounds a good idea. In a few instances where items weighed upwards of 100 lbs, I would obtain dimensions of the item(s) being sent, create a cardboard mockup of approximately the size and profile of the item, have my own container foamed-in-place at a local friendly company shipping department (paid them a few $$$) and send that container to the seller to use to ship the item to me. Another good idea! Now, after over 700 purchases on eBay, I can safely say that I have only received less than ten or so items that contained some form of damage. I've not has as many transactions has you (about 250 in my case), but I think this is the first where any damage has occured in shipping. I've had numerous items poorly packed, but more by luck than anything else, they have survied. I've had hard-drives stuck in jiffy bags, so they drop on the flaw when the post lady puts them in the door. I think the issues I have here are: 1) The item was expensive ($2750) 2) The item was heavy (60 lbs) 3) Despite what I think is obviously the sellers fault, he seems to want to get away with paying out as little as possible. (Personally, if I realized I'd messed up, I would not expect someone else to pay for my mistakes. He does not have such an attitude). I don't know the US law, but I'm very tempted to try to report him for lying about the value of the item he exported. I'm not sure if that sort of thing is taken seriously in the USA. Dave ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Subject: Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises on eBay
Emailing shipping instructions after paying is pointless. The seller is not bound by post-facto conditions and can ignore them with impunity. OTOH, if you demand them in advance, the seller can refuse your bid. I'd guess most (all) of the guts of the thing are intact. You may well be able to disassemble the thing and sell some of the subassemblies on eBay for far more than the unit cost, especially since it is in the UK. In the case of an 8753D, the subassemblies will bring maybe $10k and up. A complete working unit can probably be bought for $6k. YMMV, -John Shortly after I started bidding on eBay back in the 90's, I quickly learned that many of the sellers are not knowledgeable equipment shippers. My very first experience included a shipment from Britain of a very expensive communications receiver where the seller simply wrapped cardboard around it and dropped it off at the local shipping store. After sustaining a couple of damage incidents from things like this, I quickly started emailing a boilerplate clause after paying for the item stating how I wanted the item packed including types of packing and minimum clearances. I always asked for double boxing with at least 3 to 4 inches of dense material between boxes for the more heavier items. Packing requirements varied for the size, weight and type of items. And I was surprised how the sellers would work hard to meet those requirements. In a few instances where items weighed upwards of 100 lbs, I would obtain dimensions of the item(s) being sent, create a cardboard mockup of approximately the size and profile of the item, have my own container foamed-in-place at a local friendly company shipping department (paid them a few $$$) and send that container to the seller to use to ship the item to me. Now, after over 700 purchases on eBay, I can safely say that I have only received less than ten or so items that contained some form of damage. Never underestimate the transportation companies and their propensity to damage equipment. I had a piece of military electronics shipped from the east coast in it's original shipping container that consisted of 1/8 inch aluminum plate on the inside and outside of the container with 3/8 plywood sandwiched in between. The unit itself rested in a retainer of rigid foam at all corners that spaced it approximately 1-1/2 inches from the inside walls to absorb shock while in transit. The shipper placed the container and its contents in a cardboard box with reasonable packing. All told, the entire weight of the shipment was around 50 pounds. When received, I opened the package and found that the entire container apparently had received what was estimated to be a 15 or 20 foot drop onto concrete (probably off of a conveyor belt on to the floor) driving the front panel knobs of the unit entirely through the inside aluminum, the plywood and the exterior aluminum of the shipping c! ontainer. The knobs were literally sticking out through the exterior of the container!! The transit company (UPS) tried to tell me that it was poorly packed for shipment. Greg On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 23:16:55 +0100, David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: I hope the list admin does not mind this email, but I think it will be useful to any time nut buying test equipment from eBay. orzel-enterprises sells electronic test equipment on eBay. I would advise anyone to think twice before purchasing from him. This is how he shipped a vector network analyzer and S-parameter test set which I won on an auction for $2750. It was shipped from the USA to the UK. Remainder snipped ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Subject: Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises on eBay
I'm surprised that it has worked for me so many times and there were instances when the seller thanked me for helping them pack the item properly. It doesn't hurt to help educate those who don't understand. Others may benefit from it. Ignorance can be fixed. Stupidity can't. I worked in a position in industry where I had to frequently pack very delicate scientific instrumentation I had designed for shipment. I would bring the smaller packages down to the shipping receiving department for dispatch. The sage old department supervisor would hold the package above his head and say If I drop this, will the contents survive? In my earlier times, I would silently take the package back to my office and give more careful consideration to how it was packed. That was my education and the payoff was a few years later when I became responsible for overseeing the packing and loading of entire aircraft to deliver scientific experiments around the world. Nothing ever got damaged on my watch. Greg On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 18:17:44 -0700 (PDT), J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: Emailing shipping instructions after paying is pointless. The seller is not bound by post-facto conditions and can ignore them with impunity. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Subject: Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises on eBay
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