Re: [time-nuts] WTB: Older Version of LabView

2010-08-18 Thread Brent Gordon
 I found version 8.0 bloated and slow, especially compared to version 
7.1.  It also slowed my computer to a crawl, even when it wasn't 
running.  Version 8.0 was even worse than 7.0.  Version 8.2 was a little 
bit better.  Version 8.6 was usable, however NI dropped support for 
older systems, which is what I was supporting at the time.  The LabVIEW 
Project (which was added in 8.6, I think) made life easier.  LabVIEW 
2009 is pretty good.  I haven't had a chance to really test LV2010.  I'm 
working with real-time systems and LV2010 isn't recognizing them yet.


For quick and easy use of GPIB, LabVIEW can't be beat.  It also gives 
you easy graphing and saving of data.


In a separate email to the list you said that you wanted to play with 
PCMCIA GPIB on an older Thinkpad.  I recommend you use version 7.1  It 
will do everything you need without bogging down your computer.  For 
hobby use, 8.6 doesn't really get you anything and may be too much for 
your laptop.  I used to run 7.1 on a 1.4 GHz Pentium M laptop, talking 
to three Keithley meters and a switch chassis over GPIB without any 
performance issues.  I also ran the same test systems with 600 MHz 
Celeron processors and 256 MB of memory on Win98, Win2000, and NT 3.5 
systems using 7.1.  On those slow, memory-short systems, screen updates 
were a little slow but I never missed any data.


Note that none of NI's PCMCIA products work with Vista or Win 7.

Brent

On 8/17/2010 8:15 PM, J. Forster wrote:

I guess you snooze, you loose. There was just one copy w/o CDs just now.

Why don't you like about Rev 8, if I may ask?

Thank you,

-John

==


Three copies of the Version 7.1 Student Edition are available here
(found by a froogle search):

http://www.textbooks.com/BooksDescription.php?CSID=DW2BW33KOOKBZKOMODUKCACQSBKN=715789#mplistings


I was going to sell my copy until I saw the prices.  As a long-time
LabVIEW programmer, version 7.1 is my favorite.  I really disliked all
of the 8.x versions.  The 2009 version isn't bad and I only installed
the 2010 version today.

Brent

On 8/16/2010 11:36 PM, J. Forster wrote:

Hi,

Does anybody have an older version of NI LabView SW they'd like to sell?
If so, please contact me off list.

Thanks,

-John

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Re: [time-nuts] WTB: Older Version of LabView

2010-08-18 Thread Bob Camp
Hi

Continuing education at the local community collage is your friend. Do it 
online and you don't even spend gas money.

Bob



On Aug 17, 2010, at 10:26 PM, J. Forster j...@quik.com wrote:

 Sadly, it looks like you have to be a student though.
 
 Thanks,
 
 -John
 
 ===
 
 
 Yes, the student edition is fully functional. Printed results will include
 a Student Edition water mark to remind you it's not for publication.
 
 Pete Rawson
 
 On Aug 17, 2010, at 9:07 AM, J. Forster wrote:
 
 Do the Student Versions allow full access and use of the NI Driver
 library?
 I want to control some definitely non-student hardware.
 
 Best,
 
 -John
 
 
 
 Student versions of LabView are in bounds for personal use.
 
 Using the results for publication might get NI's attention, but
 otherwise they have no problem with individual use. I have
 registered my copy of LabView 8.5 Student Edition  gotten
 direct technical help from them with very good results.
 
 Student versions have been on *bay for less than $90.
 
 Pete Rawson
 
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Re: [time-nuts] WTB: Older Version of LabView

2010-08-18 Thread J. Forster
Thank you very much.

I just bought a NI PCMCIA card and seperately the cable on eBay for a
total of $115 to use in a T-20 or T-30 series Thinkpad. They are available
for about $100 w/ 500 MB + memory and a 20 GB+ HD.

Having an upper limit on the useful LabVIEW Rev numbers is very useful.
I'm basically playing and am not trying to build a high performance ATE
system.

Best,

-John

==


   I found version 8.0 bloated and slow, especially compared to version
 7.1.  It also slowed my computer to a crawl, even when it wasn't
 running.  Version 8.0 was even worse than 7.0.  Version 8.2 was a little
 bit better.  Version 8.6 was usable, however NI dropped support for
 older systems, which is what I was supporting at the time.  The LabVIEW
 Project (which was added in 8.6, I think) made life easier.  LabVIEW
 2009 is pretty good.  I haven't had a chance to really test LV2010.  I'm
 working with real-time systems and LV2010 isn't recognizing them yet.

 For quick and easy use of GPIB, LabVIEW can't be beat.  It also gives
 you easy graphing and saving of data.

 In a separate email to the list you said that you wanted to play with
 PCMCIA GPIB on an older Thinkpad.  I recommend you use version 7.1  It
 will do everything you need without bogging down your computer.  For
 hobby use, 8.6 doesn't really get you anything and may be too much for
 your laptop.  I used to run 7.1 on a 1.4 GHz Pentium M laptop, talking
 to three Keithley meters and a switch chassis over GPIB without any
 performance issues.  I also ran the same test systems with 600 MHz
 Celeron processors and 256 MB of memory on Win98, Win2000, and NT 3.5
 systems using 7.1.  On those slow, memory-short systems, screen updates
 were a little slow but I never missed any data.

 Note that none of NI's PCMCIA products work with Vista or Win 7.

 Brent

 On 8/17/2010 8:15 PM, J. Forster wrote:
 I guess you snooze, you loose. There was just one copy w/o CDs just
 now.

 Why don't you like about Rev 8, if I may ask?

 Thank you,

 -John

 ==

 Three copies of the Version 7.1 Student Edition are available here
 (found by a froogle search):

 http://www.textbooks.com/BooksDescription.php?CSID=DW2BW33KOOKBZKOMODUKCACQSBKN=715789#mplistings


 I was going to sell my copy until I saw the prices.  As a long-time
 LabVIEW programmer, version 7.1 is my favorite.  I really disliked all
 of the 8.x versions.  The 2009 version isn't bad and I only installed
 the 2010 version today.

 Brent

 On 8/16/2010 11:36 PM, J. Forster wrote:
 Hi,

 Does anybody have an older version of NI LabView SW they'd like to
 sell?
 If so, please contact me off list.

 Thanks,

 -John

 ==





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Re: [time-nuts] WTB: Older Version of LabView

2010-08-18 Thread jimlux

Bob Camp wrote:

Hi

Continuing education at the local community collage is your friend. Do it 
online and you don't even spend gas money.

Bob




Not always.. e.g. Matlab says: The product is solely for use in 
connection with courses offered at degree-granting institutions, either 
by students working toward a degree, or by continuing education 
students. They are not for personal, professional, or commercial use.



and they do check ID
Proof of student status is documentation that confirms that you are 
currently a student enrolled in a degree-granting institution. To 
successfully authenticate as a student, you must provide us with 
acceptable proof of student status by uploading a digital copy of any 
one of these documents:



I doubt that they'd call the school to see if you're taking a class that 
actually could use matlab (Aha, we see you're taking 17th century 
English literature, how ARE you using Matlab in that?  Why, I'm using 
it to do statistical analysis on the works allegedly written by 
Shakespeare to determine the actual author.)



So, you'd be splitting hairs a bit... (not likely that the mathworks 
police are coming after you)




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Re: [time-nuts] WTB: Older Version of LabView

2010-08-18 Thread Bob Camp
Hi

I sort of assumed this group was more likely to be brushing up on tech than on 
English Lit.

One other thing some outfits check - they will only email the activation codes 
to an account at the school you claim to attend.

Bob



On Aug 18, 2010, at 10:40 AM, jimlux jim...@earthlink.net wrote:

 Bob Camp wrote:
 Hi
 Continuing education at the local community collage is your friend. Do it 
 online and you don't even spend gas money.
 Bob
 
 Not always.. e.g. Matlab says: The product is solely for use in connection 
 with courses offered at degree-granting institutions, either by students 
 working toward a degree, or by continuing education students. They are not 
 for personal, professional, or commercial use.
 
 
 and they do check ID
 Proof of student status is documentation that confirms that you are currently 
 a student enrolled in a degree-granting institution. To successfully 
 authenticate as a student, you must provide us with acceptable proof of 
 student status by uploading a digital copy of any one of these documents:
 
 
 I doubt that they'd call the school to see if you're taking a class that 
 actually could use matlab (Aha, we see you're taking 17th century English 
 literature, how ARE you using Matlab in that?  Why, I'm using it to do 
 statistical analysis on the works allegedly written by Shakespeare to 
 determine the actual author.)
 
 
 So, you'd be splitting hairs a bit... (not likely that the mathworks police 
 are coming after you)
 
 
 
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Re: [time-nuts] WTB: Older Version of LabView

2010-08-17 Thread clock trust

I have an 1999 version

Best wishes Paul
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Hi,

Does anybody have an older version of NI LabView SW they'd like to sell?
If so, please contact me off list.

Thanks,

-John

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Re: [time-nuts] WTB: Older Version of LabView

2010-08-17 Thread paul swed
I was able to pick up a year 2000 or so one from Bert. This worked for the
things that I was trying to do and the types of gear I have. HP etc.
May he have more. ve2...@yahoo.ca

Missed you at the MIT
Reagrds
Paul



On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 1:36 AM, J. Forster j...@quik.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Does anybody have an older version of NI LabView SW they'd like to sell?
 If so, please contact me off list.

 Thanks,

 -John

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Re: [time-nuts] WTB: Older Version of LabView

2010-08-17 Thread J. L. Trantham
I, too, would be interested in getting an older version of Labview.  I have
1980's HP equipment that I would love to be able to communicate with
efficiently using my NI GPIB cards.

Joe

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Behalf Of paul swed
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:05 AM
To: j...@quik.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] WTB: Older Version of LabView


I was able to pick up a year 2000 or so one from Bert. This worked for the
things that I was trying to do and the types of gear I have. HP etc. May he
have more. ve2...@yahoo.ca

Missed you at the MIT
Reagrds
Paul



On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 1:36 AM, J. Forster j...@quik.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Does anybody have an older version of NI LabView SW they'd like to 
 sell? If so, please contact me off list.

 Thanks,

 -John

 ==


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Re: [time-nuts] WTB: Older Version of LabView

2010-08-17 Thread Pete Rawson
Student versions of LabView are in bounds for personal use.

Using the results for publication might get NI's attention, but 
otherwise they have no problem with individual use. I have
registered my copy of LabView 8.5 Student Edition  gotten
direct technical help from them with very good results.

Student versions have been on *bay for less than $90. 

Pete Rawson 

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Re: [time-nuts] WTB: Older Version of LabView

2010-08-17 Thread J. Forster
I recently bought a gen-u-ine NI PCMCIA GPIB card and cable (two separate
lots) on eBay for about $120 and basically want to play some using an
older ThinkPad as a platform. Nothing fancy. Really just a toy.

Best,

-John

=

 I, too, would be interested in getting an older version of Labview.  I
 have
 1980's HP equipment that I would love to be able to communicate with
 efficiently using my NI GPIB cards.

 Joe

 -Original Message-
 From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On
 Behalf Of paul swed
 Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:05 AM
 To: j...@quik.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] WTB: Older Version of LabView


 I was able to pick up a year 2000 or so one from Bert. This worked for the
 things that I was trying to do and the types of gear I have. HP etc. May
 he
 have more. ve2...@yahoo.ca

 Missed you at the MIT
 Reagrds
 Paul



 On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 1:36 AM, J. Forster j...@quik.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Does anybody have an older version of NI LabView SW they'd like to
 sell? If so, please contact me off list.

 Thanks,

 -John

 ==


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Re: [time-nuts] WTB: Older Version of LabView

2010-08-17 Thread J. Forster
Do the Student Versions allow full access and use of the NI Driver library?
I want to control some definitely non-student hardware.

Best,

-John



 Student versions of LabView are in bounds for personal use.

 Using the results for publication might get NI's attention, but
 otherwise they have no problem with individual use. I have
 registered my copy of LabView 8.5 Student Edition  gotten
 direct technical help from them with very good results.

 Student versions have been on *bay for less than $90.

 Pete Rawson

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Re: [time-nuts] WTB: Older Version of LabView

2010-08-17 Thread Stanley Reynolds
Their forums are good source of info, I don't think the student version is 
limited but you can ask there : http://forums.ni.com/

In a past life I was a programmer but found the virtual instrument hard to 
understand, could be it's too easy.

CTL T which brings up two windows was one key, learning the menus was another.

User group meetings help also.

Stanley





From: J. Forster j...@quik.com
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 10:07:03 AM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] WTB: Older Version of LabView

Do the Student Versions allow full access and use of the NI Driver library?
I want to control some definitely non-student hardware.

Best,

-John



 Student versions of LabView are in bounds for personal use.

 Using the results for publication might get NI's attention, but
 otherwise they have no problem with individual use. I have
 registered my copy of LabView 8.5 Student Edition  gotten
 direct technical help from them with very good results.

 Student versions have been on *bay for less than $90.

 Pete Rawson

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Re: [time-nuts] WTB: Older Version of LabView

2010-08-17 Thread Brent Gordon
Three copies of the Version 7.1 Student Edition are available here 
(found by a froogle search):


http://www.textbooks.com/BooksDescription.php?CSID=DW2BW33KOOKBZKOMODUKCACQSBKN=715789#mplistings 



I was going to sell my copy until I saw the prices.  As a long-time 
LabVIEW programmer, version 7.1 is my favorite.  I really disliked all 
of the 8.x versions.  The 2009 version isn't bad and I only installed 
the 2010 version today.


Brent

On 8/16/2010 11:36 PM, J. Forster wrote:

Hi,

Does anybody have an older version of NI LabView SW they'd like to sell?
If so, please contact me off list.

Thanks,

-John

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Re: [time-nuts] WTB: Older Version of LabView

2010-08-17 Thread Pete Rawson
Yes, the student edition is fully functional. Printed results will include
a Student Edition water mark to remind you it's not for publication.

Pete Rawson

On Aug 17, 2010, at 9:07 AM, J. Forster wrote:

 Do the Student Versions allow full access and use of the NI Driver library?
 I want to control some definitely non-student hardware.
 
 Best,
 
 -John
 
 
 
 Student versions of LabView are in bounds for personal use.
 
 Using the results for publication might get NI's attention, but
 otherwise they have no problem with individual use. I have
 registered my copy of LabView 8.5 Student Edition  gotten
 direct technical help from them with very good results.
 
 Student versions have been on *bay for less than $90.
 
 Pete Rawson
 
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Re: [time-nuts] WTB: Older Version of LabView

2010-08-17 Thread paul swed
OK I see my typos. Should have used spell check

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 9:12 AM, J. L. Trantham jlt...@att.net wrote:

 I, too, would be interested in getting an older version of Labview.  I have
 1980's HP equipment that I would love to be able to communicate with
 efficiently using my NI GPIB cards.

 Joe

 -Original Message-
 From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On
 Behalf Of paul swed
 Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:05 AM
 To: j...@quik.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] WTB: Older Version of LabView


 I was able to pick up a year 2000 or so one from Bert. This worked for the
 things that I was trying to do and the types of gear I have. HP etc. May he
 have more. ve2...@yahoo.ca

 Missed you at the MIT
 Reagrds
 Paul



 On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 1:36 AM, J. Forster j...@quik.com wrote:

  Hi,
 
  Does anybody have an older version of NI LabView SW they'd like to
  sell? If so, please contact me off list.
 
  Thanks,
 
  -John
 
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Re: [time-nuts] WTB: Older Version of LabView

2010-08-17 Thread paul swed
As a heads up. What I ran into is that different versions of NI may or may
not support the various cards we find on epay or at hamfests. Thats why I
picked up a circa 2000 vintage of NI. It supported the ethernet gpib
adapters that I ran across and the ISA cards...
After about 2002 these drivers and interfaces were obsolete.
I am sure there are experts in this group that know far more then I do.
Just a caution.

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 9:12 AM, J. L. Trantham jlt...@att.net wrote:

 I, too, would be interested in getting an older version of Labview.  I have
 1980's HP equipment that I would love to be able to communicate with
 efficiently using my NI GPIB cards.

 Joe

 -Original Message-
 From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On
 Behalf Of paul swed
 Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:05 AM
 To: j...@quik.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] WTB: Older Version of LabView


 I was able to pick up a year 2000 or so one from Bert. This worked for the
 things that I was trying to do and the types of gear I have. HP etc. May he
 have more. ve2...@yahoo.ca

 Missed you at the MIT
 Reagrds
 Paul



 On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 1:36 AM, J. Forster j...@quik.com wrote:

  Hi,
 
  Does anybody have an older version of NI LabView SW they'd like to
  sell? If so, please contact me off list.
 
  Thanks,
 
  -John
 
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Re: [time-nuts] WTB: Older Version of LabView

2010-08-17 Thread J. Forster
I guess you snooze, you loose. There was just one copy w/o CDs just now.

Why don't you like about Rev 8, if I may ask?

Thank you,

-John

==

 Three copies of the Version 7.1 Student Edition are available here
 (found by a froogle search):

 http://www.textbooks.com/BooksDescription.php?CSID=DW2BW33KOOKBZKOMODUKCACQSBKN=715789#mplistings


 I was going to sell my copy until I saw the prices.  As a long-time
 LabVIEW programmer, version 7.1 is my favorite.  I really disliked all
 of the 8.x versions.  The 2009 version isn't bad and I only installed
 the 2010 version today.

 Brent

 On 8/16/2010 11:36 PM, J. Forster wrote:
 Hi,

 Does anybody have an older version of NI LabView SW they'd like to sell?
 If so, please contact me off list.

 Thanks,

 -John

 ==



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Re: [time-nuts] WTB: Older Version of LabView

2010-08-17 Thread J. Forster
It appears you have to have student status (an ID, course schedule,
etc), and alum doesn't count.

Best,

-John

===


 the LabView 2009 student edition seems to be either $79.95 as a dvd or
 $115 as a textbook bundle.

 http://www.ni.com/labviewse/select.htm

 looking at the FAQ:

 http://www.ni.com/labviewse/labviewse_faq.htm

 it appears that there's no limitation to the student edition except
 that it puts a watermark on your screen.



 On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Brent Gordon time-n...@adobe-labs.com
 wrote:
 Three copies of the Version 7.1 Student Edition are available here
 (found by
 a froogle search):

 http://www.textbooks.com/BooksDescription.php?CSID=DW2BW33KOOKBZKOMODUKCACQSBKN=715789#mplistings

 I was going to sell my copy until I saw the prices.  As a long-time
 LabVIEW
 programmer, version 7.1 is my favorite.  I really disliked all of the
 8.x
 versions.  The 2009 version isn't bad and I only installed the 2010
 version
 today.

 Brent

 On 8/16/2010 11:36 PM, J. Forster wrote:

 Hi,

 Does anybody have an older version of NI LabView SW they'd like to
 sell?
 If so, please contact me off list.

 Thanks,

 -John

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Re: [time-nuts] WTB: Older Version of LabView

2010-08-17 Thread J. Forster
Sadly, it looks like you have to be a student though.

Thanks,

-John

===


 Yes, the student edition is fully functional. Printed results will include
 a Student Edition water mark to remind you it's not for publication.

 Pete Rawson

 On Aug 17, 2010, at 9:07 AM, J. Forster wrote:

 Do the Student Versions allow full access and use of the NI Driver
 library?
 I want to control some definitely non-student hardware.

 Best,

 -John

 

 Student versions of LabView are in bounds for personal use.

 Using the results for publication might get NI's attention, but
 otherwise they have no problem with individual use. I have
 registered my copy of LabView 8.5 Student Edition  gotten
 direct technical help from them with very good results.

 Student versions have been on *bay for less than $90.

 Pete Rawson

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[time-nuts] WTB: Older Version of LabView

2010-08-16 Thread J. Forster
Hi,

Does anybody have an older version of NI LabView SW they'd like to sell?
If so, please contact me off list.

Thanks,

-John

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