Re: [time-nuts] antenna restrictions
Just hide the antenna in the whip... Takes care of non magnetic horse problem Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2012, at 9:45 PM, DaveH i...@blackmountainforge.com wrote: Not gonna work with my Amish neighbors a couple miles up the road. They have a dead horse up on blocks in their driveway. Non magnetic. Have a fantastic weekend everyone! Dave -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Chris Howard Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 12:39 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] antenna restrictions I don't see what the problem is with HOA's and antenna restrictions. I just put a mag-mount antenna on the car that's up on blocks in the driveway. ( a bit of Mississippi humor for your Friday afternoon :-) ) peace! Chris Columbus, MS ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] antenna restrictions
Sounds like we're back to flogging a dead horse:-) In a message dated 29/09/2012 17:32:41 GMT Daylight Time, scmcgr...@gmail.com writes: Just hide the antenna in the whip... Takes care of non magnetic horse problem Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2012, at 9:45 PM, DaveH i...@blackmountainforge.com wrote: Not gonna work with my Amish neighbors a couple miles up the road. They have a dead horse up on blocks in their driveway. Non magnetic. Have a fantastic weekend everyone! Dave -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Chris Howard Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 12:39 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] antenna restrictions I don't see what the problem is with HOA's and antenna restrictions. I just put a mag-mount antenna on the car that's up on blocks in the driveway. ( a bit of Mississippi humor for your Friday afternoon :-) ) peace! Chris Columbus, MS ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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:-) Sent from my iPhone On Sep 29, 2012, at 10:01 AM, gandal...@aol.com wrote: Sounds like we're back to flogging a dead horse:-) In a message dated 29/09/2012 17:32:41 GMT Daylight Time, scmcgr...@gmail.com writes: Just hide the antenna in the whip... Takes care of non magnetic horse problem Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2012, at 9:45 PM, DaveH i...@blackmountainforge.com wrote: Not gonna work with my Amish neighbors a couple miles up the road. They have a dead horse up on blocks in their driveway. Non magnetic. Have a fantastic weekend everyone! Dave -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Chris Howard Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 12:39 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] antenna restrictions I don't see what the problem is with HOA's and antenna restrictions. I just put a mag-mount antenna on the car that's up on blocks in the driveway. ( a bit of Mississippi humor for your Friday afternoon :-) ) peace! Chris Columbus, MS ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] antenna restrictions
I don't see what the problem is with HOA's and antenna restrictions. I just put a mag-mount antenna on the car that's up on blocks in the driveway. ( a bit of Mississippi humor for your Friday afternoon :-) ) peace! Chris Columbus, MS ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Chris - your solution worked for me - until the grass covered my old PU truck. -73 john k6iql ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] antenna restrictions
Not gonna work with my Amish neighbors a couple miles up the road. They have a dead horse up on blocks in their driveway. Non magnetic. Have a fantastic weekend everyone! Dave -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Chris Howard Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 12:39 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] antenna restrictions I don't see what the problem is with HOA's and antenna restrictions. I just put a mag-mount antenna on the car that's up on blocks in the driveway. ( a bit of Mississippi humor for your Friday afternoon :-) ) peace! Chris Columbus, MS ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Antenna Restrictions...
Bill Hawkins wrote: I can tell you that the vent stack exists solely to prevent siphoning water out of J and P traps while water is running. You could tell me that, but your statement would be in error. To wit, were it not for the stack vents, houses with septic systems (which because of their being buried, are sealed to the outside air), would have smelly sewer gas bubbles blow out of the water traps every time you flushed the loo. But, to help steer this unfortunate misdirection of the thread back on topic, I will reiterate: The stack vent is not a safe place to put sensitive electronics. The vented sewer gas is quite corrosive, and can render your electronics inert. If you want to use a vent like structure as camouflage for a GPS antenna, go to your local big box store, buy a roof seal, and a short piece of PVC drain pipe. Nail it to some likely looking position on your roof, and nobody, save for possibly a plumber, will ever guess that it doesn't belong there. You could even mount a bullet antenna on top of the stack, and most would assume it was just some sort of protective cap to keep the birds out. -Chuck Harris ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Antenna restrictions [was Lucent 40 dB Antenna]
Esteemed Time-nutters The religious answer. 1. Install antenna in as inconspicuous location as possible. 2. Go out once in a while with a white bed sheet covering your torso and head. Then (a) put a couple of cheap (even plastic) flowers near it for a day or so. Then (b) get some incense sticks (punk) from an oriental grocery store and burn one once a week by it at the same time. (Monotone humming is optional but highly recommended.) When or if anyone objects, tell them that you are practicing your constitutionally protected religious beliefs. Just like someone might put for example, a virgin Mary or some other deity statue in their yard. The device they see is part of following your beliefs. Smile benignly and don’t say anything more. Refuse to give an explanation. This keeps them from getting any leverage for objections. Objectors may piss and moan but can do nothing. Proof of concept: Look at the s**t that “calypso Louie” Farrakhan and the “reverend” Jeremiah Wright say in their “freedom of religion of hate to certain races”. No one bothers them no matter how outrageous their ranting’s. Regards, Perrier ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Perry Sandeen sandee...@yahoo.com wrote: Esteemed Time-nutters The religious answer. 1. Install antenna in as inconspicuous location as possible. A GPS timing antenna should fit INSIDE a 4 plumbing vent. The ABS plastic pipe will not effect the GPS signals. Some houses will have a 4 vent pipe, most will be smaller but it is easy to slip a larger diameter pipe over a small one. Buy a 30 inch length of 4 black ABS drain pipe and simply drop it on to of any smaller vent pipe. No one would ever notice and your plumbing system will not notice either. Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Antenna restrictions [was Lucent 40 dB Antenna]
Planted flowers round the base of mine Honest. Rob Kimberley -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Perry Sandeen Sent: 15 April 2012 07:02 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Antenna restrictions [was Lucent 40 dB Antenna] Esteemed Time-nutters The religious answer. 1. Install antenna in as inconspicuous location as possible. 2. Go out once in a while with a white bed sheet covering your torso and head. Then (a) put a couple of cheap (even plastic) flowers near it for a day or so. Then (b) get some incense sticks (punk) from an oriental grocery store and burn one once a week by it at the same time. (Monotone humming is optional but highly recommended.) When or if anyone objects, tell them that you are practicing your constitutionally protected religious beliefs. Just like someone might put for example, a virgin Mary or some other deity statue in their yard. The device they see is part of following your beliefs. Smile benignly and don t say anything more. Refuse to give an explanation. This keeps them from getting any leverage for objections. Objectors may piss and moan but can do nothing. Proof of concept: Look at the s**t that calypso Louie Farrakhan and the reverend Jeremiah Wright say in their freedom of religion of hate to certain races . No one bothers them no matter how outrageous their ranting s. Regards, Perrier ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I have to compliment you on this idea! And I have been hiding/protecting electrical stuff inside PVC for 40 years. But planning ahead is better. In 1973 for our vacation time I deposited wife and sons with in-laws and went hunting for land. Bought this place for vacation land and retirement. Spent $350/acre for 65 acres. Retirement is now here. I have 13 acre former corn field hill top for antennas and paid taxes for what the Dept. of Revenue says is now worth $3,500/acre. Since I was smart enough to choose a chronically depressed area cost of living is about as low as you can get in the northern tier of states. And I don't have to worry about hiding my GPS antenna! I only wish I had started buying more numismatic gold earlier! If you have children, warn them now! Lee Mushel - Original Message - From: Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 12:13 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Antenna restrictions [was Lucent 40 dB Antenna] On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Perry Sandeen sandee...@yahoo.com wrote: Esteemed Time-nutters The religious answer. 1. Install antenna in as inconspicuous location as possible. A GPS timing antenna should fit INSIDE a 4 plumbing vent. The ABS plastic pipe will not effect the GPS signals. Some houses will have a 4 vent pipe, most will be smaller but it is easy to slip a larger diameter pipe over a small one. Buy a 30 inch length of 4 black ABS drain pipe and simply drop it on to of any smaller vent pipe. No one would ever notice and your plumbing system will not notice either. Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Antenna restrictions [was Lucent 40 dB Antenna]
Yes, but you GPS antenna surely would notice the infusion with various fumes and chemicals that come from the vent pipe. Remember, the vent is open to the sewer, its purpose is to prevent pressure build up in the sewer from blowing (or sucking) the water out of the various traps and letting sewer gas into the house. However, one could add a dummy plumbing vent to the roof without anyone noticing. -Chuck Harris Chris Albertson wrote: On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Perry Sandeensandee...@yahoo.com wrote: Esteemed Time-nutters The religious answer. 1. Install antenna in as inconspicuous location as possible. A GPS timing antenna should fit INSIDE a 4 plumbing vent. The ABS plastic pipe will not effect the GPS signals. Some houses will have a 4 vent pipe, most will be smaller but it is easy to slip a larger diameter pipe over a small one. Buy a 30 inch length of 4 black ABS drain pipe and simply drop it on to of any smaller vent pipe. No one would ever notice and your plumbing system will not notice either. Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Antenna restrictions [was Lucent 40 dB Antenna]
The dummy pipe would be fine. In theory ABS makes a good radome, but in practice whatever you get at the hardware store effects antennas significantly. [ABS and PVC is the first thing that comes to mind when weather proofing home made antennas.] The AWACS uses S-2 glass for it's radome. The dielectric constant is worse than ABS, but perhaps when the dust settles, the S-2 glass can be thinner that ABS for the same strength. So perhaps in practice it is a better radome. S-2 glass is off the shelf if you have a Tap Plastics handy. S-2 tube forms are easy to make with a cardboard tube and some mylar. The result is a beige tube that is somewhat translucent. I haven't shot mine to test out the ballistic properties. On 4/15/2012 5:41 AM, Chuck Harris wrote: Yes, but you GPS antenna surely would notice the infusion with various fumes and chemicals that come from the vent pipe. Remember, the vent is open to the sewer, its purpose is to prevent pressure build up in the sewer from blowing (or sucking) the water out of the various traps and letting sewer gas into the house. However, one could add a dummy plumbing vent to the roof without anyone noticing. -Chuck Harris Chris Albertson wrote: On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Perry Sandeensandee...@yahoo.com wrote: Esteemed Time-nutters The religious answer. 1. Install antenna in as inconspicuous location as possible. A GPS timing antenna should fit INSIDE a 4 plumbing vent. The ABS plastic pipe will not effect the GPS signals. Some houses will have a 4 vent pipe, most will be smaller but it is easy to slip a larger diameter pipe over a small one. Buy a 30 inch length of 4 black ABS drain pipe and simply drop it on to of any smaller vent pipe. No one would ever notice and your plumbing system will not notice either. Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On 4/15/12 6:20 AM, gary wrote: The dummy pipe would be fine. In theory ABS makes a good radome, but in practice whatever you get at the hardware store effects antennas significantly. [ABS and PVC is the first thing that comes to mind when weather proofing home made antennas.] The AWACS uses S-2 glass for it's radome. The dielectric constant is worse than ABS, but perhaps when the dust settles, the S-2 glass can be thinner that ABS for the same strength. So perhaps in practice it is a better radome. black ABS Drain/Waste/Vent (DWV) pipe is typically actually foam with a skin on the inside and outside, so it's pretty transparent and low epsilon, EXCEPT.. they use carbon black as the pigment. PVC is something else to watch out for. The outside is white (or grey or purple) but the inside might not be. I was quite surprised when I was turning a piece of PVC pipe on a lathe and found the inside of the wall was a amazing variety of colors (hey, they recycle all manner of stuff, it's just ground up and extruded). the microwave oven test might be appropriate (2.45GHz vs 1.5GHz).. put a chunk in the oven and see if it gets hot. A cup of water somewhere if your oven needs a load. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I am on the Tesla email list and people there have noted that some of the black plumbing pipe actually has carbon black added to it -- this renders the pipe conductive and not good for a Tesla secondary form. Would not be good for RF either. Dave -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of gary Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 6:21 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Antenna restrictions [was Lucent 40 dB Antenna] The dummy pipe would be fine. In theory ABS makes a good radome, but in practice whatever you get at the hardware store effects antennas significantly. [ABS and PVC is the first thing that comes to mind when weather proofing home made antennas.] The AWACS uses S-2 glass for it's radome. The dielectric constant is worse than ABS, but perhaps when the dust settles, the S-2 glass can be thinner that ABS for the same strength. So perhaps in practice it is a better radome. S-2 glass is off the shelf if you have a Tap Plastics handy. S-2 tube forms are easy to make with a cardboard tube and some mylar. The result is a beige tube that is somewhat translucent. I haven't shot mine to test out the ballistic properties. On 4/15/2012 5:41 AM, Chuck Harris wrote: Yes, but you GPS antenna surely would notice the infusion with various fumes and chemicals that come from the vent pipe. Remember, the vent is open to the sewer, its purpose is to prevent pressure build up in the sewer from blowing (or sucking) the water out of the various traps and letting sewer gas into the house. However, one could add a dummy plumbing vent to the roof without anyone noticing. -Chuck Harris Chris Albertson wrote: On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Perry Sandeensandee...@yahoo.com wrote: Esteemed Time-nutters The religious answer. 1. Install antenna in as inconspicuous location as possible. A GPS timing antenna should fit INSIDE a 4 plumbing vent. The ABS plastic pipe will not effect the GPS signals. Some houses will have a 4 vent pipe, most will be smaller but it is easy to slip a larger diameter pipe over a small one. Buy a 30 inch length of 4 black ABS drain pipe and simply drop it on to of any smaller vent pipe. No one would ever notice and your plumbing system will not notice either. Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On 4/15/12 2:09 PM, DaveH wrote: I am on the Tesla email list and people there have noted that some of the black plumbing pipe actually has carbon black added to it -- this renders the pipe conductive and not good for a Tesla secondary form. Would not be good for RF either. It varies.. I've had ABS that was fairly conductive (terrible for an electrostatic charging machine) and ABS that's pretty good. Electrical and RF properties just aren't something they care about, so a lot depends on the mix of the day ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I can tell you from first hand experience - Do not restrict the air flow of a roof vent associated with plumbing, especially if it's associated with the Loo. Burt, K6OQK On 4/15/2012 5:41 AM, Chuck Harris wrote: Yes, but you GPS antenna surely would notice the infusion with various fumes and chemicals that come from the vent pipe. Remember, the vent is open to the sewer, its purpose is to prevent pressure build up in the sewer from blowing (or sucking) the water out of the various traps and letting sewer gas into the house. Burt I. Weiner Associates Broadcast Technical Services Glendale, California U.S.A. b...@att.net www.biwa.cc K6OQK ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I can tell you that the vent stack exists solely to prevent siphoning water out of J and P traps while water is running. When high winds produce a lower pressure at the roof vent than in the house, the traps will be sucked dry and you'll have to refill them to prevent odor in the house when the wind dies down. Yes, the sewer gases can be sucked out of the sewer, and sniffed in the breeze on the ground or deck below and downwind of the vent. Burt is right. Time marches on. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: Burt I. Weiner Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 8:45 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Antenna Restrictions... I can tell you from first hand experience - Do not restrict the air flow of a roof vent associated with plumbing, especially if it's associated with the Loo. Burt, K6OQK On 4/15/2012 5:41 AM, Chuck Harris wrote: Yes, but you GPS antenna surely would notice the infusion with various fumes and chemicals that come from the vent pipe. Remember, the vent is open to the sewer, its purpose is to prevent pressure build up in the sewer from blowing (or sucking) the water out of the various traps and letting sewer gas into the house. Burt I. Weiner Associates Broadcast Technical Services Glendale, California U.S.A. b...@att.net www.biwa.cc K6OQK ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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For a quick guide to the OTARD Rule, see http://www.fcc.gov/guides/over-air-reception-devices-rule. Interesting! Now I know I was right and my landlord was wrong, when they made me tear down my DBS dish. But now I own a house. For the Amateur Radio service there is also the PRB-1 federal preemption, which covers actions of local governments, but not private parties such as condo associations. Some states have extended it to such, and the ARRL is actively trying to get the remaining states to follow suit. http://www.arrl.org/prb-1 http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/index.htm?job=prb-1id=amateurpage=1 Who wants to make a test case to see if a working timebase or frequency standard, in the form of a GPSDO, is or might be necessary for proper operation of the Amateur Radio station? :-) The Amateur service does have rules governing frequency accuracy, after all, and how are you supposed to know? A judge might say buy a commercial transmitter, but that (arguably) violates an important principle of the Amateur Radio service. Then again, put up an Amateur antenna, and stick your GPS mushroom on top. They'd never know. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
