Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 93, Issue 96
Wouldn't get broken if you hand carried it. I've carried on similar equipment when flying across the US. I'm guessing you may not have to check it for an internationl flight... Dan On 4/18/2012 8:03 AM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: Almost worth flying to NYC for the weekend from Switzerland and checking in the scope as luggage on way back.. Yeah.. If i knew that i'd get a usable scope and would get it back in one piece i probably would do that... ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 93, Issue 96
On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:28:17 -0400 Dan Kemppainen d...@irtelemetrics.com wrote: Wouldn't get broken if you hand carried it. I've carried on similar equipment when flying across the US. I'm guessing you may not have to check it for an internationl flight... Thanks to Home Land Security, the rules on what you may carry on a plane got very much restricted, especially when flying from and to the US. Basically anything unusual is prohibited. Attila Kinali -- The trouble with you, Shev, is you don't say anything until you've saved up a whole truckload of damned heavy brick arguments and then you dump them all out and never look at the bleeding body mangled beneath the heap -- Tirin, The Dispossessed, U. Le Guin ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 93, Issue 96
On 4/18/12 6:56 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:28:17 -0400 Dan Kemppainend...@irtelemetrics.com wrote: Wouldn't get broken if you hand carried it. I've carried on similar equipment when flying across the US. I'm guessing you may not have to check it for an internationl flight... Thanks to Home Land Security, the rules on what you may carry on a plane got very much restricted, especially when flying from and to the US. Basically anything unusual is prohibited. Actually, it's not necessarily TSA/DHS that is the problem.. it's that other downstream consumers of the rules may have different interpretations. The guy standing at the gate or checkpoint gets to make an on the spot determination of what might be dangerous Example: The small roll of PVC electrical tape I had in my backpack being taken at secondary inspection (walking down the jetway) in Heathrow when getting on the plane home to Los Angeles. Am I going to argue with the guy from British Airways about specifically which rule he thinks my tape violates? When the plane is leaving 3 hours late already? Nope.. Example: the round pointed school scissors in my daughter's backpack getting on the plane in Rome? They were willing to let her take them, but we said, nope, just throw them away, because next stop is Zurich, and we KNOW that they won't make it past the inspection there. I got tagged in Zurich before for having my toothpaste tube in a gallon bag, instead of the required no more than 1 liter bag. So, carrying that oscilloscope on? If the inspector's fiance(e) just ran off with a EE/CS major the night before, you're doomed. However, in general, I've not had many problems with obvious commercially manufactured gear. And oddly, not much problem with random piles of protoboards and boxes with wires and cables stuffed into a backpack, as long as there were no large blobs in the X-ray that weren't obviously batteries on visual inspection. (Friends of mine say that trying to carry on a small lead acid battery that looks like a brick is often a challenge..especially if you've wrapped it in tape to hold it to the circuit board. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 93, Issue 96
Have to agree about what I have carried on parts. When I get to california and shop in a few old haunts I end up with strange looking parts. I through them in a clearer anti stat bag that I now bring along and send them through the screening in clear site. Never have an issue an occasional ? like what are those 3/4 catv cable connectors that look like a large shell. Regards Paul. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 4/18/12 6:56 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:28:17 -0400 Dan Kemppainendan@irtelemetrics.**com d...@irtelemetrics.com wrote: Wouldn't get broken if you hand carried it. I've carried on similar equipment when flying across the US. I'm guessing you may not have to check it for an internationl flight... Thanks to Home Land Security, the rules on what you may carry on a plane got very much restricted, especially when flying from and to the US. Basically anything unusual is prohibited. Actually, it's not necessarily TSA/DHS that is the problem.. it's that other downstream consumers of the rules may have different interpretations. The guy standing at the gate or checkpoint gets to make an on the spot determination of what might be dangerous Example: The small roll of PVC electrical tape I had in my backpack being taken at secondary inspection (walking down the jetway) in Heathrow when getting on the plane home to Los Angeles. Am I going to argue with the guy from British Airways about specifically which rule he thinks my tape violates? When the plane is leaving 3 hours late already? Nope.. Example: the round pointed school scissors in my daughter's backpack getting on the plane in Rome? They were willing to let her take them, but we said, nope, just throw them away, because next stop is Zurich, and we KNOW that they won't make it past the inspection there. I got tagged in Zurich before for having my toothpaste tube in a gallon bag, instead of the required no more than 1 liter bag. So, carrying that oscilloscope on? If the inspector's fiance(e) just ran off with a EE/CS major the night before, you're doomed. However, in general, I've not had many problems with obvious commercially manufactured gear. And oddly, not much problem with random piles of protoboards and boxes with wires and cables stuffed into a backpack, as long as there were no large blobs in the X-ray that weren't obviously batteries on visual inspection. (Friends of mine say that trying to carry on a small lead acid battery that looks like a brick is often a challenge..especially if you've wrapped it in tape to hold it to the circuit board. __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 93, Issue 96
In the 'good old days', before deregulation and 9/11 you could get almost anything onto a 'plane by giving a skycap $5. I brought back USAF shipping crates full of wine, an OMEGA receiver, among other things. -John === Have to agree about what I have carried on parts. When I get to california and shop in a few old haunts I end up with strange looking parts. I through them in a clearer anti stat bag that I now bring along and send them through the screening in clear site. Never have an issue an occasional ? like what are those 3/4 catv cable connectors that look like a large shell. Regards Paul. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 4/18/12 6:56 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:28:17 -0400 Dan Kemppainendan@irtelemetrics.**com d...@irtelemetrics.com wrote: Wouldn't get broken if you hand carried it. I've carried on similar equipment when flying across the US. I'm guessing you may not have to check it for an internationl flight... Thanks to Home Land Security, the rules on what you may carry on a plane got very much restricted, especially when flying from and to the US. Basically anything unusual is prohibited. Actually, it's not necessarily TSA/DHS that is the problem.. it's that other downstream consumers of the rules may have different interpretations. The guy standing at the gate or checkpoint gets to make an on the spot determination of what might be dangerous Example: The small roll of PVC electrical tape I had in my backpack being taken at secondary inspection (walking down the jetway) in Heathrow when getting on the plane home to Los Angeles. Am I going to argue with the guy from British Airways about specifically which rule he thinks my tape violates? When the plane is leaving 3 hours late already? Nope.. Example: the round pointed school scissors in my daughter's backpack getting on the plane in Rome? They were willing to let her take them, but we said, nope, just throw them away, because next stop is Zurich, and we KNOW that they won't make it past the inspection there. I got tagged in Zurich before for having my toothpaste tube in a gallon bag, instead of the required no more than 1 liter bag. So, carrying that oscilloscope on? If the inspector's fiance(e) just ran off with a EE/CS major the night before, you're doomed. However, in general, I've not had many problems with obvious commercially manufactured gear. And oddly, not much problem with random piles of protoboards and boxes with wires and cables stuffed into a backpack, as long as there were no large blobs in the X-ray that weren't obviously batteries on visual inspection. (Friends of mine say that trying to carry on a small lead acid battery that looks like a brick is often a challenge..especially if you've wrapped it in tape to hold it to the circuit board. __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 93, Issue 96
On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 07:31:21 -0700 Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: Example: the round pointed school scissors in my daughter's backpack getting on the plane in Rome? They were willing to let her take them, but we said, nope, just throw them away, because next stop is Zurich, and we KNOW that they won't make it past the inspection there. I got tagged in Zurich before for having my toothpaste tube in a gallon bag, instead of the required no more than 1 liter bag. Yes, Zürich has become a pain. I remember, not too long ago, we went to the airport not earlier than half an hour before take off. And still had plenty of time. Nowadays, i calculate at least 2 hours before boarding. And often have to hurry along the way. It's gotten to the point where taking the train is faster, if you travel to within western europe. Even as far as Paris or Berlin. But.. that's becoming way too OT. So, carrying that oscilloscope on? If the inspector's fiance(e) just ran off with a EE/CS major the night before, you're doomed. However, in general, I've not had many problems with obvious commercially manufactured gear. And oddly, not much problem with random piles of protoboards and boxes with wires and cables stuffed into a backpack, as long as there were no large blobs in the X-ray that weren't obviously batteries on visual inspection. (Friends of mine say that trying to carry on a small lead acid battery that looks like a brick is often a challenge..especially if you've wrapped it in tape to hold it to the circuit board. Ok. Good to know. I might consider flying over to the US for a short shopping tour then... Anyone willing to shelter a time-nut for a weekend? :-) Attila Kinali -- The trouble with you, Shev, is you don't say anything until you've saved up a whole truckload of damned heavy brick arguments and then you dump them all out and never look at the bleeding body mangled beneath the heap -- Tirin, The Dispossessed, U. Le Guin ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I've found it easier to just ship items rather than have to deal with the inconsistency and hassle of TSA security. You never know what will give a problem, even in checked luggage. That is one reason I am driving to Dayton this year (a 12 hour trip) rather than flying commercial. Besides, with the 1 hour drive to the airport, 2 hour before flight arrival there, 1.5 hour flight, 2.5 hour layover, 45 minute flight, 30 minutes to get rental car it's not all that much more time! Peter On 04/18/12, Attila Kinaliatt...@kinali.ch wrote: On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 07:31:21 -0700 Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: Example: the round pointed school scissors in my daughter's backpack getting on the plane in Rome? They were willing to let her take them, but we said, nope, just throw them away, because next stop is Zurich, and we KNOW that they won't make it past the inspection there. I got tagged in Zurich before for having my toothpaste tube in a gallon bag, instead of the required no more than 1 liter bag. Yes, Z�rich has become a pain. I remember, not too long ago, we went to the airport not earlier than half an hour before take off. And still had plenty of time. Nowadays, i calculate at least 2 hours before boarding. And often have to hurry along the way. It's gotten to the point where taking the train is faster, if you travel to within western europe. Even as far as Paris or Berlin. But.. that's becoming way too OT. So, carrying that oscilloscope on? If the inspector's fiance(e) just ran off with a EE/CS major the night before, you're doomed. However, in general, I've not had many problems with obvious commercially manufactured gear. And oddly, not much problem with random piles of protoboards and boxes with wires and cables stuffed into a backpack, as long as there were no large blobs in the X-ray that weren't obviously batteries on visual inspection. (Friends of mine say that trying to carry on a small lead acid battery that looks like a brick is often a challenge..especially if you've wrapped it in tape to hold it to the circuit board. Ok. Good to know. I might consider flying over to the US for a short shopping tour then... Anyone willing to shelter a time-nut for a weekend? :-) Attila Kinali -- The trouble with you, Shev, is you don't say anything until you've saved up a whole truckload of damned heavy brick arguments and then you dump them all out and never look at the bleeding body mangled beneath the heap -- Tirin, The Dispossessed, U. Le Guin ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 93, Issue 96
Where are you located? Maybe someone else could share the trip cost. Regards, Tom - Original Message - From: Peter Gottlieb n...@verizon.net To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 93, Issue 96 I've found it easier to just ship items rather than have to deal with the inconsistency and hassle of TSA security. You never know what will give a problem, even in checked luggage. That is one reason I am driving to Dayton this year (a 12 hour trip) rather than flying commercial. Besides, with the 1 hour drive to the airport, 2 hour before flight arrival there, 1.5 hour flight, 2.5 hour layover, 45 minute flight, 30 minutes to get rental car it's not all that much more time! Peter On 04/18/12, Attila Kinaliatt...@kinali.ch wrote: On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 07:31:21 -0700 Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: Example: the round pointed school scissors in my daughter's backpack getting on the plane in Rome? They were willing to let her take them, but we said, nope, just throw them away, because next stop is Zurich, and we KNOW that they won't make it past the inspection there. I got tagged in Zurich before for having my toothpaste tube in a gallon bag, instead of the required no more than 1 liter bag. Yes, Z�rich has become a pain. I remember, not too long ago, we went to the airport not earlier than half an hour before take off. And still had plenty of time. Nowadays, i calculate at least 2 hours before boarding. And often have to hurry along the way. It's gotten to the point where taking the train is faster, if you travel to within western europe. Even as far as Paris or Berlin. But.. that's becoming way too OT. So, carrying that oscilloscope on? If the inspector's fiance(e) just ran off with a EE/CS major the night before, you're doomed. However, in general, I've not had many problems with obvious commercially manufactured gear. And oddly, not much problem with random piles of protoboards and boxes with wires and cables stuffed into a backpack, as long as there were no large blobs in the X-ray that weren't obviously batteries on visual inspection. (Friends of mine say that trying to carry on a small lead acid battery that looks like a brick is often a challenge..especially if you've wrapped it in tape to hold it to the circuit board. Ok. Good to know. I might consider flying over to the US for a short shopping tour then... Anyone willing to shelter a time-nut for a weekend? :-) Attila Kinali -- The trouble with you, Shev, is you don't say anything until you've saved up a whole truckload of damned heavy brick arguments and then you dump them all out and never look at the bleeding body mangled beneath the heap -- Tirin, The Dispossessed, U. Le Guin ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 93, Issue 96
More people, less room for toys! :)) -John Where are you located? Maybe someone else could share the trip cost. Regards, Tom - Original Message - From: Peter Gottlieb n...@verizon.net To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 93, Issue 96 I've found it easier to just ship items rather than have to deal with the inconsistency and hassle of TSA security. You never know what will give a problem, even in checked luggage. That is one reason I am driving to Dayton this year (a 12 hour trip) rather than flying commercial. Besides, with the 1 hour drive to the airport, 2 hour before flight arrival there, 1.5 hour flight, 2.5 hour layover, 45 minute flight, 30 minutes to get rental car it's not all that much more time! Peter On 04/18/12, Attila Kinaliatt...@kinali.ch wrote: On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 07:31:21 -0700 Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: Example: the round pointed school scissors in my daughter's backpack getting on the plane in Rome? They were willing to let her take them, but we said, nope, just throw them away, because next stop is Zurich, and we KNOW that they won't make it past the inspection there. I got tagged in Zurich before for having my toothpaste tube in a gallon bag, instead of the required no more than 1 liter bag. Yes, Z�rich has become a pain. I remember, not too long ago, we went to the airport not earlier than half an hour before take off. And still had plenty of time. Nowadays, i calculate at least 2 hours before boarding. And often have to hurry along the way. It's gotten to the point where taking the train is faster, if you travel to within western europe. Even as far as Paris or Berlin. But.. that's becoming way too OT. So, carrying that oscilloscope on? If the inspector's fiance(e) just ran off with a EE/CS major the night before, you're doomed. However, in general, I've not had many problems with obvious commercially manufactured gear. And oddly, not much problem with random piles of protoboards and boxes with wires and cables stuffed into a backpack, as long as there were no large blobs in the X-ray that weren't obviously batteries on visual inspection. (Friends of mine say that trying to carry on a small lead acid battery that looks like a brick is often a challenge..especially if you've wrapped it in tape to hold it to the circuit board. Ok. Good to know. I might consider flying over to the US for a short shopping tour then... Anyone willing to shelter a time-nut for a weekend? :-) Attila Kinali -- The trouble with you, Shev, is you don't say anything until you've saved up a whole truckload of damned heavy brick arguments and then you dump them all out and never look at the bleeding body mangled beneath the heap -- Tirin, The Dispossessed, U. Le Guin ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 93, Issue 96
Yes A nursing home owner did that to get a cooler with two gallons of hydrogen peroxide on board. It leaked and set fire to the luggage. The aircraft got back OK but a couple of luggage handlers got chemical burns. Security has some advantages. If you really want to get locked up, try wrapping a stick of cracker barrel cheese with some electronics. I'm not joking, don't try it. Robert G8RPI. From: J. Forster j...@quikus.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Wednesday, 18 April 2012, 16:13 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 93, Issue 96 In the 'good old days', before deregulation and 9/11 you could get almost anything onto a 'plane by giving a skycap $5. I brought back USAF shipping crates full of wine, an OMEGA receiver, among other things. -John === Have to agree about what I have carried on parts. When I get to california and shop in a few old haunts I end up with strange looking parts. I through them in a clearer anti stat bag that I now bring along and send them through the screening in clear site. Never have an issue an occasional ? like what are those 3/4 catv cable connectors that look like a large shell. Regards Paul. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 4/18/12 6:56 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:28:17 -0400 Dan Kemppainendan@irtelemetrics.**com d...@irtelemetrics.com wrote: Wouldn't get broken if you hand carried it. I've carried on similar equipment when flying across the US. I'm guessing you may not have to check it for an internationl flight... Thanks to Home Land Security, the rules on what you may carry on a plane got very much restricted, especially when flying from and to the US. Basically anything unusual is prohibited. Actually, it's not necessarily TSA/DHS that is the problem.. it's that other downstream consumers of the rules may have different interpretations. The guy standing at the gate or checkpoint gets to make an on the spot determination of what might be dangerous Example: The small roll of PVC electrical tape I had in my backpack being taken at secondary inspection (walking down the jetway) in Heathrow when getting on the plane home to Los Angeles. Am I going to argue with the guy from British Airways about specifically which rule he thinks my tape violates? When the plane is leaving 3 hours late already? Nope.. Example: the round pointed school scissors in my daughter's backpack getting on the plane in Rome? They were willing to let her take them, but we said, nope, just throw them away, because next stop is Zurich, and we KNOW that they won't make it past the inspection there. I got tagged in Zurich before for having my toothpaste tube in a gallon bag, instead of the required no more than 1 liter bag. So, carrying that oscilloscope on? If the inspector's fiance(e) just ran off with a EE/CS major the night before, you're doomed. However, in general, I've not had many problems with obvious commercially manufactured gear. And oddly, not much problem with random piles of protoboards and boxes with wires and cables stuffed into a backpack, as long as there were no large blobs in the X-ray that weren't obviously batteries on visual inspection. (Friends of mine say that trying to carry on a small lead acid battery that looks like a brick is often a challenge..especially if you've wrapped it in tape to hold it to the circuit board. __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 93, Issue 96
In Boston, some flashing LEDs on a T shirt will get you nearly machine gunned. -John === Yes A nursing home owner did that to get a cooler with two gallons of hydrogen peroxide on board. It leaked and set fire to the luggage. The aircraft got back OK but a couple of luggage handlers got chemical burns. Security has some advantages. If you really want to get locked up, try wrapping a stick of cracker barrel cheese with some electronics. I'm not joking, don't try it. Robert G8RPI. From: J. Forster j...@quikus.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Wednesday, 18 April 2012, 16:13 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 93, Issue 96 In the 'good old days', before deregulation and 9/11 you could get almost anything onto a 'plane by giving a skycap $5. I brought back USAF shipping crates full of wine, an OMEGA receiver, among other things. -John === Have to agree about what I have carried on parts. When I get to california and shop in a few old haunts I end up with strange looking parts. I through them in a clearer anti stat bag that I now bring along and send them through the screening in clear site. Never have an issue an occasional ? like what are those 3/4 catv cable connectors that look like a large shell. Regards Paul. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 4/18/12 6:56 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:28:17 -0400 Dan Kemppainendan@irtelemetrics.**com d...@irtelemetrics.com wrote: Wouldn't get broken if you hand carried it. I've carried on similar equipment when flying across the US. I'm guessing you may not have to check it for an internationl flight... Thanks to Home Land Security, the rules on what you may carry on a plane got very much restricted, especially when flying from and to the US. Basically anything unusual is prohibited. Actually, it's not necessarily TSA/DHS that is the problem.. it's that other downstream consumers of the rules may have different interpretations. The guy standing at the gate or checkpoint gets to make an on the spot determination of what might be dangerous Example: The small roll of PVC electrical tape I had in my backpack being taken at secondary inspection (walking down the jetway) in Heathrow when getting on the plane home to Los Angeles. Am I going to argue with the guy from British Airways about specifically which rule he thinks my tape violates? When the plane is leaving 3 hours late already? Nope.. Example: the round pointed school scissors in my daughter's backpack getting on the plane in Rome? They were willing to let her take them, but we said, nope, just throw them away, because next stop is Zurich, and we KNOW that they won't make it past the inspection there. I got tagged in Zurich before for having my toothpaste tube in a gallon bag, instead of the required no more than 1 liter bag. So, carrying that oscilloscope on? If the inspector's fiance(e) just ran off with a EE/CS major the night before, you're doomed. However, in general, I've not had many problems with obvious commercially manufactured gear. And oddly, not much problem with random piles of protoboards and boxes with wires and cables stuffed into a backpack, as long as there were no large blobs in the X-ray that weren't obviously batteries on visual inspection. (Friends of mine say that trying to carry on a small lead acid battery that looks like a brick is often a challenge..especially if you've wrapped it in tape to hold it to the circuit board. __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Frequently fly with a spectrum analyzer it gets questions and a couple of trips through X-ray and I have had a couple of requests to power it up Most frequent question Is that a EKG machine. Ans yes but for radios not people Scott Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 12:19 PM, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: More people, less room for toys! :)) -John Where are you located? Maybe someone else could share the trip cost. Regards, Tom - Original Message - From: Peter Gottlieb n...@verizon.net To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 93, Issue 96 I've found it easier to just ship items rather than have to deal with the inconsistency and hassle of TSA security. You never know what will give a problem, even in checked luggage. That is one reason I am driving to Dayton this year (a 12 hour trip) rather than flying commercial. Besides, with the 1 hour drive to the airport, 2 hour before flight arrival there, 1.5 hour flight, 2.5 hour layover, 45 minute flight, 30 minutes to get rental car it's not all that much more time! Peter On 04/18/12, Attila Kinaliatt...@kinali.ch wrote: On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 07:31:21 -0700 Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: Example: the round pointed school scissors in my daughter's backpack getting on the plane in Rome? They were willing to let her take them, but we said, nope, just throw them away, because next stop is Zurich, and we KNOW that they won't make it past the inspection there. I got tagged in Zurich before for having my toothpaste tube in a gallon bag, instead of the required no more than 1 liter bag. Yes, Z�rich has become a pain. I remember, not too long ago, we went to the airport not earlier than half an hour before take off. And still had plenty of time. Nowadays, i calculate at least 2 hours before boarding. And often have to hurry along the way. It's gotten to the point where taking the train is faster, if you travel to within western europe. Even as far as Paris or Berlin. But.. that's becoming way too OT. So, carrying that oscilloscope on? If the inspector's fiance(e) just ran off with a EE/CS major the night before, you're doomed. However, in general, I've not had many problems with obvious commercially manufactured gear. And oddly, not much problem with random piles of protoboards and boxes with wires and cables stuffed into a backpack, as long as there were no large blobs in the X-ray that weren't obviously batteries on visual inspection. (Friends of mine say that trying to carry on a small lead acid battery that looks like a brick is often a challenge..especially if you've wrapped it in tape to hold it to the circuit board. Ok. Good to know. I might consider flying over to the US for a short shopping tour then... Anyone willing to shelter a time-nut for a weekend? :-) Attila Kinali -- The trouble with you, Shev, is you don't say anything until you've saved up a whole truckload of damned heavy brick arguments and then you dump them all out and never look at the bleeding body mangled beneath the heap -- Tirin, The Dispossessed, U. Le Guin ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Two rolls of U.S. dollar coins in a carry-on will drive the TSA X-ray inspector crazy! I know. Ed WA6RZW -Original Message- From: Robert Atkinson [mailto:robert8...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:44 To: j...@quikus.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 93, Issue 96 Yes A nursing home owner did that to get a cooler with two gallons of hydrogen peroxide on board. It leaked and set fire to the luggage. The aircraft got back OK but a couple of luggage handlers got chemical burns. Security has some advantages. If you really want to get locked up, try wrapping a stick of cracker barrel cheese with some electronics. I'm not joking, don't try it. Robert G8RPI. From: J. Forster j...@quikus.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Wednesday, 18 April 2012, 16:13 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 93, Issue 96 In the 'good old days', before deregulation and 9/11 you could get almost anything onto a 'plane by giving a skycap $5. I brought back USAF shipping crates full of wine, an OMEGA receiver, among other things. -John === Have to agree about what I have carried on parts. When I get to california and shop in a few old haunts I end up with strange looking parts. I through them in a clearer anti stat bag that I now bring along and send them through the screening in clear site. Never have an issue an occasional ? like what are those 3/4 catv cable connectors that look like a large shell. Regards Paul. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 4/18/12 6:56 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:28:17 -0400 Dan Kemppainendan@irtelemetrics.**com d...@irtelemetrics.com wrote: Wouldn't get broken if you hand carried it. I've carried on similar equipment when flying across the US. I'm guessing you may not have to check it for an internationl flight... Thanks to Home Land Security, the rules on what you may carry on a plane got very much restricted, especially when flying from and to the US. Basically anything unusual is prohibited. Actually, it's not necessarily TSA/DHS that is the problem.. it's that other downstream consumers of the rules may have different interpretations. The guy standing at the gate or checkpoint gets to make an on the spot determination of what might be dangerous Example: The small roll of PVC electrical tape I had in my backpack being taken at secondary inspection (walking down the jetway) in Heathrow when getting on the plane home to Los Angeles. Am I going to argue with the guy from British Airways about specifically which rule he thinks my tape violates? When the plane is leaving 3 hours late already? Nope.. Example: the round pointed school scissors in my daughter's backpack getting on the plane in Rome? They were willing to let her take them, but we said, nope, just throw them away, because next stop is Zurich, and we KNOW that they won't make it past the inspection there. I got tagged in Zurich before for having my toothpaste tube in a gallon bag, instead of the required no more than 1 liter bag. So, carrying that oscilloscope on? If the inspector's fiance(e) just ran off with a EE/CS major the night before, you're doomed. However, in general, I've not had many problems with obvious commercially manufactured gear. And oddly, not much problem with random piles of protoboards and boxes with wires and cables stuffed into a backpack, as long as there were no large blobs in the X-ray that weren't obviously batteries on visual inspection. (Friends of mine say that trying to carry on a small lead acid battery that looks like a brick is often a challenge..especially if you've wrapped it in tape to hold it to the circuit board. __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tim e-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
