Re: [time-nuts] Chinese credit card fraud
On 16 March 2012 16:22, Rix Seacord eseac...@verizon.net wrote: Luckily, I use PayPal for most of my online purchases. From the experience of a friend, who bought something eBay that needed refunding by Paypal, it was a long complex process 1) Buy bandbag from eBay she believed was a fake. 2) Ebay insist the bag is inspected by an expert - eBay tell her the expert to use 3) She pays the expert, who agrees its a fake. 4) She needs to *FAX* the documents from the expert to Paypal. by a certain (quite short) date. Few people use FAX machines now, so she had to pay a shop to FAX it. It seems Paypal make it hard, by requesting a FAX rather than accepting a scanned document, or asking the expert to send it directly. She finally got her money back, but never recovered the cost of paying the expert, or of the FAX charges. Dave ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Chinese credit card fraud
Some years ago, I bought some original IBM memory for a Thinkpad laptop. The stuff physically fit, but shorted out when installed, because the package profile was different. I complained to eBay and spent a bunch of money on Express Mail, etc. I got NOTHING. Conclusion: eBay protections are essentially worthless. That's why I use the USPS MOs. Complaints have always been resolved to my satisfaction. YMMV, -John == On 16 March 2012 16:22, Rix Seacord eseac...@verizon.net wrote: Luckily, I use PayPal for most of my online purchases. From the experience of a friend, who bought something eBay that needed refunding by Paypal, it was a long complex process 1) Buy bandbag from eBay she believed was a fake. 2) Ebay insist the bag is inspected by an expert - eBay tell her the expert to use 3) She pays the expert, who agrees its a fake. 4) She needs to *FAX* the documents from the expert to Paypal. by a certain (quite short) date. Few people use FAX machines now, so she had to pay a shop to FAX it. It seems Paypal make it hard, by requesting a FAX rather than accepting a scanned document, or asking the expert to send it directly. She finally got her money back, but never recovered the cost of paying the expert, or of the FAX charges. Dave ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Chinese credit card fraud
Did you buy anything directly from China with your card ? Raj, vu2zap At 16-03-2012, you wrote: Early this week I noticed two strange charges to my credit card account. An investigation indicates these charges were made in China. FYI. Vigilance advised. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R c...@omen.com www.omen.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Chinese credit card fraud
I paypal'ed what I did, and have only seen the direct charges to my paypal for the chinese purchases. I don't know if credit card works thru the ebay stuff I've bought, or the other sites when you use paypal / credit card option. Obviously if you go via credit card checkout, all bets are off. jim On 3/16/2012 5:12 AM, Raj wrote: Did you buy anything directly from China with your card ? Raj, vu2zap At 16-03-2012, you wrote: Early this week I noticed two strange charges to my credit card account. An investigation indicates these charges were made in China. FYI. Vigilance advised. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R c...@omen.com www.omen.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Chinese credit card fraud
Paypal doesn't send through your CC info so there is likely no correlation. Your CC info could have been captured anywhere, or even hacked from an online site. The charges could have been anywhere, in any country, including the USA. Over the years I have had card numbers stolen and used in the US, in China, and a number of countries in Europe. Just call your credit card provider, cancel that card, and get a new one. This is routine for them. On 03/16/12, jim sj...@jwsss.com wrote: I paypal'ed what I did, and have only seen the direct charges to my paypal for the chinese purchases. I don't know if credit card works thru the ebay stuff I've bought, or the other sites when you use paypal / credit card option. Obviously if you go via credit card checkout, all bets are off. jim On 3/16/2012 5:12 AM, Raj wrote: Did you buy anything directly from China with your card ? Raj, vu2zap At 16-03-2012, you wrote: Early this week I noticed two strange charges to my credit card account. An investigation indicates these charges were made in China. FYI. Vigilance advised. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R [1]c...@omen.com [2]www.omen.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- [3]time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to [4]https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- [5]time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to [6]https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. References 1. mailto:c...@omen.com 2. http://www.omen.com/ 3. mailto:time-nuts@febo.com 4. https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts 5. mailto:time-nuts@febo.com 6. https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Chinese credit card fraud
I second that Jim, Block your card quick! I am sure you would have already. At 16-03-2012, you wrote: Paypal doesn't send through your CC info so there is likely no correlation. Your CC info could have been captured anywhere, or even hacked from an online site. The charges could have been anywhere, in any country, including the USA. Over the years I have had card numbers stolen and used in the US, in China, and a number of countries in Europe. Just call your credit card provider, cancel that card, and get a new one. This is routine for them. On 03/16/12, jim sj...@jwsss.com wrote: I paypal'ed what I did, and have only seen the direct charges to my paypal for the chinese purchases. I don't know if credit card works thru the ebay stuff I've bought, or the other sites when you use paypal / credit card option. Obviously if you go via credit card checkout, all bets are off. jim On 3/16/2012 5:12 AM, Raj wrote: Did you buy anything directly from China with your card ? Raj, vu2zap At 16-03-2012, you wrote: Early this week I noticed two strange charges to my credit card account. An investigation indicates these charges were made in China. FYI. Vigilance advised. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R [1]c...@omen.com [2]www.omen.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Chinese credit card fraud
All: To get hit with charges on your credit card from either China or Africa, you do not have to have made purchase with your card there. There are some groups in both those areas that are doing brute force search attacks on credit card numbers. They generate small charges, typically less than USD $2.00 against a large number of potential credit card numbers, then watch which ones are paid or declined. If paid, you may expect to see much larger charges hit your card two months or so, later. So, watch for small inappropriate charges hitting your cards, it is likely these thieves pinging for good account numbers. Do not be tempted to do nothing, because the inappropriate charges are so small. Much more interesting things will happen soon thereafter. --- Graham / KE9H == On 3/16/2012 5:12 AM, Raj wrote: Did you buy anything directly from China with your card ? Raj, vu2zap ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Chinese credit card fraud
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 4:38 AM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R c...@omen.comwrote: Early this week I noticed two strange charges to my credit card account. An investigation indicates these charges were made in China. If you bought something on eBay there is no way the seller gets your CC info. You can prove this to yourself by selling something on eBay and then buying using a different account The #1 method for CC number text is to hand the card over to a waiter to pay for dinner. If the guy is smart he never uses those number himself but sells them in bulk. The number could trade hands a few times before they get to China I don't worry to much because the bank will reverse fraudulent charges. Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Chinese credit card fraud
Luckily, I use PayPal for most of my online purchases. In the rare event I use my credit card, Citibank supplies a program call called virtual account numbers. It creates for you a one time only credit card number. This guarantees no one can grab your number and use it. From what I've seen its also offered by other banks under different names. Good luck Rix ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Chinese credit card fraud
This is the only reason I still have a Citibank card and so far, it hasn't been cracked. I've used it nearly 10 years. I can buy fearlessly from anyone, knowing 2 things about this number: It can be used just once It expires in 1 month http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_payment_number Alas, the only one who has the best implementation is Citibank. The amexco version ceased operation in 2004-5, I used to use it regularly. The Discover card version generates numbers with 1 year expiration and is not user adjustable. If the numbers cannot be used, it will be rejected. Paypal for example, will not allow such numbers to be used as a source for payment. At 15:30 03/16/2012, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: -- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 12:22:45 -0400 From: Rix Seacord eseac...@verizon.net To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Chinese credit card fraud Message-ID: 4f6368d5.1030...@verizon.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Luckily, I use PayPal for most of my online purchases. In the rare event I use my credit card, Citibank supplies a program call called virtual account numbers. It creates for you a one time only credit card number. This guarantees no one can grab your number and use it. From what I've seen its also offered by other banks under different names. Good luck Rix -- ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Chinese credit card fraud
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Rix Seacord eseac...@verizon.net wrote: Luckily, I use PayPal for most of my online purchases. In the rare event I use my credit card, Citibank supplies a program call called virtual account numbers. It creates for you a one time only credit card number. On-line is not where most number are stolen. Mostly it is tone with in-person transactions in stores when you hand the card to cashier or waiter. Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
