Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Antenna

2014-11-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi

Pretty much all of the “timing” GPS antennas want to see 5V to work properly. 
About the only thing I’ve seen that likes 3.3V are the modern mag mount 
antennas. 

Bob

 On Nov 22, 2014, at 4:55 PM, Jim Sanford wb4...@wb4gcs.org wrote:
 
 All:
 
 Received my LTE-Lite and ready to play, EXCEPT, I'm in the basement.
 
 Does anyone know if the antenna which the ebay purveyor of the Nortel 
 Thunderbolts supplies will work on the 3.3 volts coming out of the LTE Lite?  
  (I measured the Nortel, it puts 4.95 volts on the coax.)  That antenna has 
 the advantage of being at altitude with a feedline run to the basement.
 
 Thanks,
 Jim
 wb4...@amsat.org
 
 
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Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Antenna

2014-11-22 Thread S. Jackson via time-nuts
Jim,
 
try it out. Check the C/No values in the GPGSV NMEA messages. If they are  
over 40dB, then it works just fine and there is no need to over-think the  
issue..
 
bye,
Said
 
 
In a message dated 11/22/2014 16:39:55 Pacific Standard Time, kb...@n1k.org 
 writes:

Hi

Pretty much all of the “timing” GPS antennas want to see  5V to work 
properly. About the only thing I’ve seen that likes 3.3V are the  modern mag 
mount antennas. 

Bob

 On Nov 22, 2014, at 4:55  PM, Jim Sanford wb4...@wb4gcs.org wrote:
 
 All:
  
 Received my LTE-Lite and ready to play, EXCEPT, I'm in the  basement.
 
 Does anyone know if the antenna which the ebay  purveyor of the Nortel 
Thunderbolts supplies will work on the 3.3 volts coming  out of the LTE Lite?  
 (I measured the Nortel, it puts 4.95 volts on  the coax.)  That antenna 
has the advantage of being at altitude with a  feedline run to the basement.
 
 Thanks,
 Jim
  wb4...@amsat.org
 
 
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Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Antenna

2014-11-22 Thread S. Jackson via time-nuts
Hi Jim,
 
not much harm should come to the 5V antenna if driven at only 3.3V.
 
However if you feed 5V into the LTE Lite antenna port then bad things will  
happen because it will back-feed into the 3.3V power rail, and possible 
damage  some of the 3.3V parts on the PCB. Running a 3.3V antenna port with 
external 5V  feeding in is never a good idea..
 
That said you can actually power the unit from 3.3V coming from another  
unit through just the antenna port. Don't ask me how I know..
 
bye,
Said
 
 
In a message dated 11/22/2014 18:09:16 Pacific Standard Time,  
wb4...@wb4gcs.org writes:

SAID:
After checking schematics, was contemplating exactly  this.  I wanted to 
make sure I can't do any harm, and it appears  not.
Will probably give it a try tomorrow
If it doesn't work, I've  come up with a bias-T and amplifier.  Will have 
to spin a PCB,  tho.

Will advise.

Jim

On 11/22/2014 8:46 PM, _SAIDJACK@aol.com_ (mailto:saidj...@aol.com)  wrote:


Jim,
 
try it out. Check the C/No values in the GPGSV NMEA messages. If they  are 
over 40dB, then it works just fine and there is no need to over-think  the 
issue..
 
bye,
Said
 
 
In a message dated 11/22/2014 16:39:55 Pacific Standard Time, 
_kb8tq@n1k.org_ (mailto:kb...@n1k.org)  writes:

Hi

Pretty much all of the “timing” GPS antennas want to  see 5V to work 
properly. About the only thing I’ve seen that likes 3.3V  are the modern mag 
mount antennas. 

Bob

 On Nov 22,  2014, at 4:55 PM, Jim Sanford _wb4...@wb4gcs.org_ 
(mailto:wb4...@wb4gcs.org)   wrote:
 
 All:
 
 Received my LTE-Lite and  ready to play, EXCEPT, I'm in the basement.
 
 Does anyone  know if the antenna which the ebay purveyor of the Nortel 
Thunderbolts  supplies will work on the 3.3 volts coming out of the LTE  Lite? 
  (I measured the Nortel, it puts 4.95 volts on the  coax.)  That antenna 
has the advantage of being at altitude with a  feedline run to the basement.
 
 Thanks,
 Jim
  _wb4gcs@amsat.org_ (mailto:wb4...@amsat.org) 
 
  
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Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Antenna

2014-11-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi
 On Nov 22, 2014, at 9:14 PM, S. Jackson via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Jim,
 
 not much harm should come to the 5V antenna if driven at only 3.3V.
 
 However if you feed 5V into the LTE Lite antenna port then bad things will  
 happen because it will back-feed into the 3.3V power rail, and possible 
 damage  some of the 3.3V parts on the PCB. Running a 3.3V antenna port with 
 external 5V  feeding in is never a good idea..
 
 That said you can actually power the unit from 3.3V coming from another  
 unit through just the antenna port. Don't ask me how I know..

I wonder how well that works with an OCXO based unit…..

Bob

 
 bye,
 Said
 
 
 In a message dated 11/22/2014 18:09:16 Pacific Standard Time,  
 wb4...@wb4gcs.org writes:
 
 SAID:
 After checking schematics, was contemplating exactly  this.  I wanted to 
 make sure I can't do any harm, and it appears  not.
 Will probably give it a try tomorrow
 If it doesn't work, I've  come up with a bias-T and amplifier.  Will have 
 to spin a PCB,  tho.
 
 Will advise.
 
 Jim
 
 On 11/22/2014 8:46 PM, _SAIDJACK@aol.com_ (mailto:saidj...@aol.com)  wrote:
 
 
 Jim,
 
 try it out. Check the C/No values in the GPGSV NMEA messages. If they  are 
 over 40dB, then it works just fine and there is no need to over-think  the 
 issue..
 
 bye,
 Said
 
 
 In a message dated 11/22/2014 16:39:55 Pacific Standard Time, 
 _kb8tq@n1k.org_ (mailto:kb...@n1k.org)  writes:
 
 Hi
 
 Pretty much all of the “timing” GPS antennas want to  see 5V to work 
 properly. About the only thing I’ve seen that likes 3.3V  are the modern mag 
 mount antennas. 
 
 Bob
 
 On Nov 22,  2014, at 4:55 PM, Jim Sanford _wb4...@wb4gcs.org_ 
 (mailto:wb4...@wb4gcs.org)   wrote:
 
 All:
 
 Received my LTE-Lite and  ready to play, EXCEPT, I'm in the basement.
 
 Does anyone  know if the antenna which the ebay purveyor of the Nortel 
 Thunderbolts  supplies will work on the 3.3 volts coming out of the LTE  
 Lite? 
  (I measured the Nortel, it puts 4.95 volts on the  coax.)  That antenna 
 has the advantage of being at altitude with a  feedline run to the basement.
 
 Thanks,
 Jim
 _wb4gcs@amsat.org_ (mailto:wb4...@amsat.org) 
 
 
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