Re: [time-nuts] John Fluke test equipment tutorial

2019-11-30 Thread Attila Kinali
On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 12:01:56 -0600
Steven Sommars  wrote:

> https://tycho.usno.navy.mil/ptti.html archived 2012 and earlier PTTI
> papers.  That site seems to be unavailable now, but the Internet Archive
> still holds copies.  

On Magnus' request, I put my copy online. You can find it at
http://time.kinali.ch/ptti/

> Circa 2013 PTTI and ION merged, new papers are paywalled.


And ION is the most *beep* publishing organisation I've ever seen.
Even if you are member, you get only 12 papers to download
per year. And apparently, they don't like giving universities
access either. So, publishing at PTTI has basically become
a black hole. As a scientist I have no incentive to publish
there, because nobody will be ever able to read my paper.


Attila Kinail

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Re: [time-nuts] John Fluke test equipment tutorial

2019-11-27 Thread Steven Sommars
https://tycho.usno.navy.mil/ptti.html archived 2012 and earlier PTTI
papers.  That site seems to be unavailable now, but the Internet Archive
still holds copies.  Circa 2013 PTTI and ION merged, new papers are
paywalled.



On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 11:20 AM Bob kb8tq  wrote:

> Hi
>
> Both the Frequency Control Symposium and the PTTI proceedings are archived
> by their respective parent organizations. DVD’s are available with the old
> versions
> on them. The papers done by NIST are on the NIST website. Much of the rest
> is
> protected / restricted.
>
> Bob
>
> > On Nov 27, 2019, at 7:58 AM, ew via time-nuts 
> wrote:
> >
> > Looking through piles of manuals I found proceedings of frequency and
> time and frequency meetings I attended as part of my job, between 75 and
> 79. Each at least an inch thick. Is some one archiving the proceedings.
> Like them to find a home. Contact me off list
> >
> > Bert Kehren
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 11/26/2019 8:39:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> paulsw...@gmail.com writes:
> >
> > Azelio really just looking at what methods were used back then. That
> helps
> > me understand what I am looking at at a hamfest. Can I use it and how. I
> > have seen some very nice Gen Rad equipment at bargain prices.
> Unfortunately
> > I already had the same Z bridge. But it was a really tempting price and
> > unit was in mint condition.
> > But there are many bridges and dividers that show up at $20 or less.
> > So they just add to the test bench.
> > Regards
> > Paul.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 3:00 PM Azelio Boriani  >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Indeed, and the 1980 edition might be the better choice if you're
> >> looking for circuits you can build.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 6:00 PM paul swed  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Azelio
> >>> A good point you make. From a slightly different perspective. The
> >>> technologies that are in the document show up at Hamfests around the
> east
> >>> coast of the US and with this book they make sense as to what they are
> >> and
> >>> how they are used. It also turns out that many of the devices have very
> >>> accurate resistors in them and somehow they have held tolerance over 60
> >>> years according to 5.5 digit HP meter.
> >>> Some of the devices are obvious in function others are not so clear.
> But
> >>> still a good read.
> >>> Regards
> >>> Paul
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 3:30 AM Azelio Boriani <
> azelio.bori...@gmail.com
> >>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  It is available here:
>  
>  This is the first edition (1980) and is almost completely out of date
>  regarding current metrology techniques. The time and frequency chapter
>  (17) is only 5 pages long and dedicated to the time transfer using the
>  Fluke VLF receiver/comparator. The second edition (1994) is a bit more
>  theoretical.
> 
>  On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 2:43 AM paul swed 
> wrote:
> >
> > Perry kindly shared it with me a week or so ago. Its a really good
> >> read.
> > Enjoy and thanks Perry.
> > Regards
> > Paul
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 6:00 PM Perry Sandeen via time-nuts <
> > time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Yo Bubba Dudes!,
> >> I've re-published the John Fluketutorial *Calibration Philosophy
> >> and
> >> Practice*  Circa 1980.
> >>
> >>   It describes how all the basicelectrical standards are derived and
> >> measured.  It is a 14 MbytePDF.  If anyone is interested in a copy
>  please
> >> send me an *original* emailoff list for a copy
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Perrier
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Re: [time-nuts] John Fluke test equipment tutorial

2019-11-27 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi

Both the Frequency Control Symposium and the PTTI proceedings are archived
by their respective parent organizations. DVD’s are available with the old 
versions
on them. The papers done by NIST are on the NIST website. Much of the rest is
protected / restricted. 

Bob

> On Nov 27, 2019, at 7:58 AM, ew via time-nuts  
> wrote:
> 
> Looking through piles of manuals I found proceedings of frequency and time 
> and frequency meetings I attended as part of my job, between 75 and 79. Each 
> at least an inch thick. Is some one archiving the proceedings. Like them to 
> find a home. Contact me off list
> 
> Bert Kehren
> 
> 
> In a message dated 11/26/2019 8:39:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
> paulsw...@gmail.com writes:
> 
> Azelio really just looking at what methods were used back then. That helps
> me understand what I am looking at at a hamfest. Can I use it and how. I
> have seen some very nice Gen Rad equipment at bargain prices. Unfortunately
> I already had the same Z bridge. But it was a really tempting price and
> unit was in mint condition.
> But there are many bridges and dividers that show up at $20 or less.
> So they just add to the test bench.
> Regards
> Paul.
> 
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 3:00 PM Azelio Boriani 
> wrote:
> 
>> Indeed, and the 1980 edition might be the better choice if you're
>> looking for circuits you can build.
>> 
>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 6:00 PM paul swed  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Azelio
>>> A good point you make. From a slightly different perspective. The
>>> technologies that are in the document show up at Hamfests around the east
>>> coast of the US and with this book they make sense as to what they are
>> and
>>> how they are used. It also turns out that many of the devices have very
>>> accurate resistors in them and somehow they have held tolerance over 60
>>> years according to 5.5 digit HP meter.
>>> Some of the devices are obvious in function others are not so clear. But
>>> still a good read.
>>> Regards
>>> Paul
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 3:30 AM Azelio Boriani >> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 It is available here:
 
 This is the first edition (1980) and is almost completely out of date
 regarding current metrology techniques. The time and frequency chapter
 (17) is only 5 pages long and dedicated to the time transfer using the
 Fluke VLF receiver/comparator. The second edition (1994) is a bit more
 theoretical.
 
 On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 2:43 AM paul swed  wrote:
> 
> Perry kindly shared it with me a week or so ago. Its a really good
>> read.
> Enjoy and thanks Perry.
> Regards
> Paul
> 
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 6:00 PM Perry Sandeen via time-nuts <
> time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote:
> 
>> Yo Bubba Dudes!,
>> I've re-published the John Fluketutorial *Calibration Philosophy
>> and
>> Practice*  Circa 1980.
>> 
>>   It describes how all the basicelectrical standards are derived and
>> measured.  It is a 14 MbytePDF.  If anyone is interested in a copy
 please
>> send me an *original* emailoff list for a copy
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Perrier
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Re: [time-nuts] John Fluke test equipment tutorial

2019-11-27 Thread ew via time-nuts
Looking through piles of manuals I found proceedings of frequency and time and 
frequency meetings I attended as part of my job, between 75 and 79. Each at 
least an inch thick. Is some one archiving the proceedings. Like them to find a 
home. Contact me off list

Bert Kehren


In a message dated 11/26/2019 8:39:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
paulsw...@gmail.com writes:

Azelio really just looking at what methods were used back then. That helps
me understand what I am looking at at a hamfest. Can I use it and how. I
have seen some very nice Gen Rad equipment at bargain prices. Unfortunately
I already had the same Z bridge. But it was a really tempting price and
unit was in mint condition.
But there are many bridges and dividers that show up at $20 or less.
So they just add to the test bench.
Regards
Paul.

On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 3:00 PM Azelio Boriani 
wrote:

> Indeed, and the 1980 edition might be the better choice if you're
> looking for circuits you can build.
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 6:00 PM paul swed  wrote:
> >
> > Azelio
> > A good point you make. From a slightly different perspective. The
> > technologies that are in the document show up at Hamfests around the east
> > coast of the US and with this book they make sense as to what they are
> and
> > how they are used. It also turns out that many of the devices have very
> > accurate resistors in them and somehow they have held tolerance over 60
> > years according to 5.5 digit HP meter.
> > Some of the devices are obvious in function others are not so clear. But
> > still a good read.
> > Regards
> > Paul
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 3:30 AM Azelio Boriani  >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > It is available here:
> > > 
> > > This is the first edition (1980) and is almost completely out of date
> > > regarding current metrology techniques. The time and frequency chapter
> > > (17) is only 5 pages long and dedicated to the time transfer using the
> > > Fluke VLF receiver/comparator. The second edition (1994) is a bit more
> > > theoretical.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 2:43 AM paul swed  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Perry kindly shared it with me a week or so ago. Its a really good
> read.
> > > > Enjoy and thanks Perry.
> > > > Regards
> > > > Paul
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 6:00 PM Perry Sandeen via time-nuts <
> > > > time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Yo Bubba Dudes!,
> > > > > I've re-published the John Fluketutorial *Calibration Philosophy
> and
> > > > > Practice*  Circa 1980.
> > > > >
> > > > >  It describes how all the basicelectrical standards are derived and
> > > > > measured.  It is a 14 MbytePDF.  If anyone is interested in a copy
> > > please
> > > > > send me an *original* emailoff list for a copy
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Perrier
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Re: [time-nuts] John Fluke test equipment tutorial

2019-11-26 Thread paul swed
Azelio really just looking at what methods were used back then. That helps
me understand what I am looking at at a hamfest. Can I use it and how. I
have seen some very nice Gen Rad equipment at bargain prices. Unfortunately
I already had the same Z bridge. But it was a really tempting price and
unit was in mint condition.
But there are many bridges and dividers that show up at $20 or less.
So they just add to the test bench.
Regards
Paul.

On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 3:00 PM Azelio Boriani 
wrote:

> Indeed, and the 1980 edition might be the better choice if you're
> looking for circuits you can build.
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 6:00 PM paul swed  wrote:
> >
> > Azelio
> > A good point you make. From a slightly different perspective. The
> > technologies that are in the document show up at Hamfests around the east
> > coast of the US and with this book they make sense as to what they are
> and
> > how they are used. It also turns out that many of the devices have very
> > accurate resistors in them and somehow they have held tolerance over 60
> > years according to 5.5 digit HP meter.
> > Some of the devices are obvious in function others are not so clear. But
> > still a good read.
> > Regards
> > Paul
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 3:30 AM Azelio Boriani  >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > It is available here:
> > > 
> > > This is the first edition (1980) and is almost completely out of date
> > > regarding current metrology techniques. The time and frequency chapter
> > > (17) is only 5 pages long and dedicated to the time transfer using the
> > > Fluke VLF receiver/comparator. The second edition (1994) is a bit more
> > > theoretical.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 2:43 AM paul swed  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Perry kindly shared it with me a week or so ago. Its a really good
> read.
> > > > Enjoy and thanks Perry.
> > > > Regards
> > > > Paul
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 6:00 PM Perry Sandeen via time-nuts <
> > > > time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Yo Bubba Dudes!,
> > > > > I've re-published the John Fluketutorial *Calibration Philosophy
> and
> > > > > Practice*  Circa 1980.
> > > > >
> > > > >  It describes how all the basicelectrical standards are derived and
> > > > > measured.  It is a 14 MbytePDF.  If anyone is interested in a copy
> > > please
> > > > > send me an *original* emailoff list for a copy
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Perrier
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Re: [time-nuts] John Fluke test equipment tutorial

2019-11-26 Thread Azelio Boriani
Indeed, and the 1980 edition might be the better choice if you're
looking for circuits you can build.

On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 6:00 PM paul swed  wrote:
>
> Azelio
> A good point you make. From a slightly different perspective. The
> technologies that are in the document show up at Hamfests around the east
> coast of the US and with this book they make sense as to what they are and
> how they are used. It also turns out that many of the devices have very
> accurate resistors in them and somehow they have held tolerance over 60
> years according to 5.5 digit HP meter.
> Some of the devices are obvious in function others are not so clear. But
> still a good read.
> Regards
> Paul
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 3:30 AM Azelio Boriani 
> wrote:
>
> > It is available here:
> > 
> > This is the first edition (1980) and is almost completely out of date
> > regarding current metrology techniques. The time and frequency chapter
> > (17) is only 5 pages long and dedicated to the time transfer using the
> > Fluke VLF receiver/comparator. The second edition (1994) is a bit more
> > theoretical.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 2:43 AM paul swed  wrote:
> > >
> > > Perry kindly shared it with me a week or so ago. Its a really good read.
> > > Enjoy and thanks Perry.
> > > Regards
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 6:00 PM Perry Sandeen via time-nuts <
> > > time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Yo Bubba Dudes!,
> > > > I've re-published the John Fluketutorial *Calibration Philosophy and
> > > > Practice*  Circa 1980.
> > > >
> > > >  It describes how all the basicelectrical standards are derived and
> > > > measured.  It is a 14 MbytePDF.  If anyone is interested in a copy
> > please
> > > > send me an *original* emailoff list for a copy
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Perrier
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Re: [time-nuts] John Fluke test equipment tutorial

2019-11-26 Thread paul swed
Azelio
A good point you make. From a slightly different perspective. The
technologies that are in the document show up at Hamfests around the east
coast of the US and with this book they make sense as to what they are and
how they are used. It also turns out that many of the devices have very
accurate resistors in them and somehow they have held tolerance over 60
years according to 5.5 digit HP meter.
Some of the devices are obvious in function others are not so clear. But
still a good read.
Regards
Paul

On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 3:30 AM Azelio Boriani 
wrote:

> It is available here:
> 
> This is the first edition (1980) and is almost completely out of date
> regarding current metrology techniques. The time and frequency chapter
> (17) is only 5 pages long and dedicated to the time transfer using the
> Fluke VLF receiver/comparator. The second edition (1994) is a bit more
> theoretical.
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 2:43 AM paul swed  wrote:
> >
> > Perry kindly shared it with me a week or so ago. Its a really good read.
> > Enjoy and thanks Perry.
> > Regards
> > Paul
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 6:00 PM Perry Sandeen via time-nuts <
> > time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Yo Bubba Dudes!,
> > > I've re-published the John Fluketutorial *Calibration Philosophy and
> > > Practice*  Circa 1980.
> > >
> > >  It describes how all the basicelectrical standards are derived and
> > > measured.  It is a 14 MbytePDF.  If anyone is interested in a copy
> please
> > > send me an *original* emailoff list for a copy
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Perrier
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Re: [time-nuts] John Fluke test equipment tutorial

2019-11-26 Thread Azelio Boriani
It is available here:

This is the first edition (1980) and is almost completely out of date
regarding current metrology techniques. The time and frequency chapter
(17) is only 5 pages long and dedicated to the time transfer using the
Fluke VLF receiver/comparator. The second edition (1994) is a bit more
theoretical.

On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 2:43 AM paul swed  wrote:
>
> Perry kindly shared it with me a week or so ago. Its a really good read.
> Enjoy and thanks Perry.
> Regards
> Paul
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 6:00 PM Perry Sandeen via time-nuts <
> time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote:
>
> > Yo Bubba Dudes!,
> > I've re-published the John Fluketutorial *Calibration Philosophy and
> > Practice*  Circa 1980.
> >
> >  It describes how all the basicelectrical standards are derived and
> > measured.  It is a 14 MbytePDF.  If anyone is interested in a copy please
> > send me an *original* emailoff list for a copy
> >
> > Regards,
> > Perrier
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Re: [time-nuts] John Fluke test equipment tutorial

2019-11-25 Thread paul swed
Perry kindly shared it with me a week or so ago. Its a really good read.
Enjoy and thanks Perry.
Regards
Paul

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 6:00 PM Perry Sandeen via time-nuts <
time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote:

> Yo Bubba Dudes!,
> I've re-published the John Fluketutorial *Calibration Philosophy and
> Practice*  Circa 1980.
>
>  It describes how all the basicelectrical standards are derived and
> measured.  It is a 14 MbytePDF.  If anyone is interested in a copy please
> send me an *original* emailoff list for a copy
>
> Regards,
> Perrier
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[time-nuts] John Fluke test equipment tutorial

2019-11-25 Thread Perry Sandeen via time-nuts
Yo Bubba Dudes!,
I've re-published the John Fluketutorial *Calibration Philosophy and Practice*  
Circa 1980.

 It describes how all the basicelectrical standards are derived and measured.  
It is a 14 MbytePDF.  If anyone is interested in a copy please send me an 
*original* emailoff list for a copy

Regards,
Perrier
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