Re: [time-nuts] NIST time and frequency seminar - 11-14 June in Boulder, CO
Here is a write up from when I attended the NIST Time & Frequency Seminar last year (2018). Coincidentally, I had just had a tour of the NIST T facilities a month or two before as part of another event. In the spirit of full disclosure: I’m an embedded software developer who routinely deals with precision frequency references (e.g. when I wrote firmware for ATM products) and geolocation (for many different applications). I like to say “I’m not a hardware engineer, but I keep a hardware engineer on speed dial”. I got a lot out of the seminar, but a EE specializing in T would likely get even more. https://coverclock.blogspot.com/2018/06/wibbley-wobbley-timey-wimey.html :John Sloan ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] NIST time and frequency seminar - 11-14 June in Boulder, CO
On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 23:06:36 -0800 "Tom Van Baak" wrote: > > Mother of God, John, what makes this meeting worth the price? > > Yes, it sounds high but perhaps not out of line for multi-day professional > conferences / seminars these days. True, you have to factor in Denver flights > and Boulder hotels. But when you consider where it's held and who's speaking > and how long it lasts, it starts to look like something between a bargain and > a worthy bucket list item. NIST takes T seriously; this is not some sort of > cheap corporate or product marketing show. I concur! I have not done the NIST T seminar, but the EFTS[1] and it was well worth the money. I learned more about time and frequency in that week alone than in the many years before, reading books and papers. If you do not want to spend that amount of money and you cannot get the student discount (for the EFTS, _any_ student ID is enough, no matter what kind), The turorials before IFCS and EFTF are usually condensed versions of the same or similar presentations by the very same people. BTW: If a time-nut goes to the NIST T seminar, I'd be interested in the handouts. (Unfortunately, I don't have the time to go myself) Attila Kinali [1] http://efts.eu/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=current:03_registration -- It is upon moral qualities that a society is ultimately founded. All the prosperity and technological sophistication in the world is of no use without that foundation. -- Miss Matheson, The Diamond Age, Neal Stephenson ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] NIST time and frequency seminar - 11-14 June in Boulder, CO
Hi Over the course of decades, we sent a lot of people to this workshop. It was typical to have a new engineer head out to it after a year or so on the job. I don’t remember any of them coming back saying that they had found it all way past their ability to comprehend. Compared to doing the same sort of training in-house, the NIST workshop is dirt cheap …. Indeed *some* of what was presented each year was a challenge. I would be very surprised if that was not the case. NIST is targeting a wide range of people and thus presents a lot of information as part of the workshop. Some of it (inevitably) will be targeted in an area that is not your primary focus. Bob > On Feb 18, 2019, at 8:39 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) > wrote: > > I'm actually debating on whether to attend this or not. I really > need to understand a lot of the things related to time and Frequency > better, and it looks like this covers pretty much all of the bases. > The price, although high, isn't out of the range of expectations for > this type of workshop. > > For those who have attended in the past, I'd appreciate it if someone > could characterize how much underlying time and frequency knowledge is > needed to be able to at least follow along. Based on Tom's > description and the topic titles in the agenda, I suspect that I'll be > better than ok, but it is $1900 and I'd really hate to show up and > find out that I'm lost 30 seconds into the first session on the first > day. > > > On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 12:09 AM Tom Van Baak wrote: >> https://www.nist.gov/news-events/events/2019/06/2019-nist-time-and-frequency-seminar >>> >>> Mother of God, John, what makes this meeting worth the price? >> >> Hi Bill, >> >> Yes, it sounds high but perhaps not out of line for multi-day professional >> conferences / seminars these days. True, you have to factor in Denver >> flights and Boulder hotels. But when you consider where it's held and who's >> speaking and how long it lasts, it starts to look like something between a >> bargain and a worthy bucket list item. NIST takes T seriously; this is not >> some sort of cheap corporate or product marketing show. >> >> Look over the agenda and note both the wide range of topics covered and the >> personnel doing so. The sessions tend to be very high quality. A portion of >> attendees are the kind sent by their companies to "learn about time & >> frequency" this week, so as a practicing time nut you are well above that. >> On the other hand, NIST keeps the conference current and practical and >> detailed so even the most seasoned time nut will learn a great deal. You may >> also meet lifelong contacts. I have attended and highly recommend it. >> >> If it's just registration price that keeps an energetic curious time nut >> from attending let me know. In years past I've recommended NIST allow a >> limited time nut discount and that's worked. Let me know off-list if this is >> something you'd like to be considered for. >> >> /tvb >> >> >> ___ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com >> and follow the instructions there. > > > > -- > - Forrest > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] NIST time and frequency seminar - 11-14 June in Boulder, CO
I'm actually debating on whether to attend this or not. I really need to understand a lot of the things related to time and Frequency better, and it looks like this covers pretty much all of the bases. The price, although high, isn't out of the range of expectations for this type of workshop. For those who have attended in the past, I'd appreciate it if someone could characterize how much underlying time and frequency knowledge is needed to be able to at least follow along. Based on Tom's description and the topic titles in the agenda, I suspect that I'll be better than ok, but it is $1900 and I'd really hate to show up and find out that I'm lost 30 seconds into the first session on the first day. On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 12:09 AM Tom Van Baak wrote: > > >> https://www.nist.gov/news-events/events/2019/06/2019-nist-time-and-frequency-seminar > > > > Mother of God, John, what makes this meeting worth the price? > > Hi Bill, > > Yes, it sounds high but perhaps not out of line for multi-day professional > conferences / seminars these days. True, you have to factor in Denver flights > and Boulder hotels. But when you consider where it's held and who's speaking > and how long it lasts, it starts to look like something between a bargain and > a worthy bucket list item. NIST takes T seriously; this is not some sort of > cheap corporate or product marketing show. > > Look over the agenda and note both the wide range of topics covered and the > personnel doing so. The sessions tend to be very high quality. A portion of > attendees are the kind sent by their companies to "learn about time & > frequency" this week, so as a practicing time nut you are well above that. On > the other hand, NIST keeps the conference current and practical and detailed > so even the most seasoned time nut will learn a great deal. You may also meet > lifelong contacts. I have attended and highly recommend it. > > If it's just registration price that keeps an energetic curious time nut from > attending let me know. In years past I've recommended NIST allow a limited > time nut discount and that's worked. Let me know off-list if this is > something you'd like to be considered for. > > /tvb > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. -- - Forrest ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] NIST time and frequency seminar - 11-14 June in Boulder, CO
Hi, On 2019-02-16 18:06, jimlux wrote: On 2/15/19 11:06 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: https://www.nist.gov/news-events/events/2019/06/2019-nist-time-and-frequency-seminar Mother of God, John, what makes this meeting worth the price? Hi Bill, Yes, it sounds high but perhaps not out of line for multi-day professional conferences / seminars these days. True, you have to factor in Denver flights and Boulder hotels. But when you consider where it's held and who's speaking and how long it lasts, it starts to look like something between a bargain and a worthy bucket list item. NIST takes T seriously; this is not some sort of cheap corporate or product marketing show. Hotels in Boulder aren't that expensive, compared to other places. Govt per diem is $159/lodging, Meals & Incidentals $66. The implication is that you'll find plenty of places where hotel is <=$159/night (Compare Boston for IMS at $273 + $71 and let's not even get started on Silicon Valley hotel costs) Denver is a big hub airport so you can get there non-stop from lots of places. Particularly if you're going to it as part of "work", the cost is quite reasonable in the context of your salary - which is how conference organizers look at it. When I was on the organizing committee for a conference last year, we struggled with the whole "what should it cost" thing. Obviously, you'd like it as cheap as possible, but there are significant costs associated with putting on a conference. Since NIST is US Government, there's probably GSA rules about how much they have to charge for the use of the resources. I took the Green Ride Boulder shuttle service to the airport last time I was there in January. That is also a way to save money compared to renting car. I was staying at Best Western Boulder, which is from walking distance from NIST office. I really enjoyed the NIST Time and Frequency Seminar, and it helped me with connections to this day with the serious and good folks at NIST T and related. Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] NIST time and frequency seminar - 11-14 June in Boulder, CO
If you are interested in checking out Boulder while you are there, two hotels to look at are the Boulderado at 13th and Spruce, and the Broker Inn, which is now apparently owned by Rodeway, on 30th St. Staying at the Boulderado affords close access to the Pearl St. Mall, an old open-air mall (not like the new ones springing up everywhere) with lots of restaurants with outdoor seating, other strange shops and various performers (if you do go there and see a guy named Bongo tying balloons for children, please tell him Dave Daniel said “hi”; I believe he was a physicist in a former life) I’ve stayed in both hotels, many times (StorageTek used to put employees up in the Broker). I have no idea what the rates are these days, but one can look them up online. They are probably more expensive than your run-of-the-mill Holiday Inn, but if the difference is not that great, it would be worth staying at one of them. There is also the historic Stanley hotel in Estes Park of “The Shining” fame (built by the famous Stanley brothers). Estes Park is a bit of a drive from Boulder (but not too bad) and Estes Park is a stone’s throw from Rocky Mountain National Park, another cool place to visit if one is considering things in addition to the NIST conference. When StorageTek used to send me to Colorado for business I used to always tack on a weekend at my expense to visit these sorts of places. If I still lived there, I’d attend the conference in a heartbeat. DaveD Sent from a small flat thingy > On Feb 16, 2019, at 12:06, jimlux wrote: > > On 2/15/19 11:06 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: https://www.nist.gov/news-events/events/2019/06/2019-nist-time-and-frequency-seminar >>> >>> Mother of God, John, what makes this meeting worth the price? >> Hi Bill, >> Yes, it sounds high but perhaps not out of line for multi-day professional >> conferences / seminars these days. True, you have to factor in Denver >> flights and Boulder hotels. But when you consider where it's held and who's >> speaking and how long it lasts, it starts to look like something between a >> bargain and a worthy bucket list item. NIST takes T seriously; this is not >> some sort of cheap corporate or product marketing show. > > Hotels in Boulder aren't that expensive, compared to other places. Govt per > diem is $159/lodging, Meals & Incidentals $66. The implication is that you'll > find plenty of places where hotel is <=$159/night (Compare Boston for IMS at > $273 + $71 and let's not even get started on Silicon Valley hotel costs) > > Denver is a big hub airport so you can get there non-stop from lots of places. > > Particularly if you're going to it as part of "work", the cost is quite > reasonable in the context of your salary - which is how conference organizers > look at it. When I was on the organizing committee for a conference last > year, we struggled with the whole "what should it cost" thing. Obviously, > you'd like it as cheap as possible, but there are significant costs > associated with putting on a conference. > > Since NIST is US Government, there's probably GSA rules about how much they > have to charge for the use of the resources. > > >> Look over the agenda and note both the wide range of topics covered and the >> personnel doing so. The sessions tend to be very high quality. A portion of >> attendees are the kind sent by their companies to "learn about time & >> frequency" this week, so as a practicing time nut you are well above that. >> On the other hand, NIST keeps the conference current and practical and >> detailed so even the most seasoned time nut will learn a great deal. You may >> also meet lifelong contacts. I have attended and highly recommend it. >> If it's just registration price that keeps an energetic curious time nut >> from attending let me know. In years past I've recommended NIST allow a >> limited time nut discount and that's worked. Let me know off-list if this is >> something you'd like to be considered for. >> /tvb >> ___ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com >> and follow the instructions there. > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] NIST time and frequency seminar - 11-14 June in Boulder, CO
On 2/15/19 11:06 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: https://www.nist.gov/news-events/events/2019/06/2019-nist-time-and-frequency-seminar Mother of God, John, what makes this meeting worth the price? Hi Bill, Yes, it sounds high but perhaps not out of line for multi-day professional conferences / seminars these days. True, you have to factor in Denver flights and Boulder hotels. But when you consider where it's held and who's speaking and how long it lasts, it starts to look like something between a bargain and a worthy bucket list item. NIST takes T seriously; this is not some sort of cheap corporate or product marketing show. Hotels in Boulder aren't that expensive, compared to other places. Govt per diem is $159/lodging, Meals & Incidentals $66. The implication is that you'll find plenty of places where hotel is <=$159/night (Compare Boston for IMS at $273 + $71 and let's not even get started on Silicon Valley hotel costs) Denver is a big hub airport so you can get there non-stop from lots of places. Particularly if you're going to it as part of "work", the cost is quite reasonable in the context of your salary - which is how conference organizers look at it. When I was on the organizing committee for a conference last year, we struggled with the whole "what should it cost" thing. Obviously, you'd like it as cheap as possible, but there are significant costs associated with putting on a conference. Since NIST is US Government, there's probably GSA rules about how much they have to charge for the use of the resources. Look over the agenda and note both the wide range of topics covered and the personnel doing so. The sessions tend to be very high quality. A portion of attendees are the kind sent by their companies to "learn about time & frequency" this week, so as a practicing time nut you are well above that. On the other hand, NIST keeps the conference current and practical and detailed so even the most seasoned time nut will learn a great deal. You may also meet lifelong contacts. I have attended and highly recommend it. If it's just registration price that keeps an energetic curious time nut from attending let me know. In years past I've recommended NIST allow a limited time nut discount and that's worked. Let me know off-list if this is something you'd like to be considered for. /tvb ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] NIST time and frequency seminar - 11-14 June in Boulder, CO
>> https://www.nist.gov/news-events/events/2019/06/2019-nist-time-and-frequency-seminar > > Mother of God, John, what makes this meeting worth the price? Hi Bill, Yes, it sounds high but perhaps not out of line for multi-day professional conferences / seminars these days. True, you have to factor in Denver flights and Boulder hotels. But when you consider where it's held and who's speaking and how long it lasts, it starts to look like something between a bargain and a worthy bucket list item. NIST takes T seriously; this is not some sort of cheap corporate or product marketing show. Look over the agenda and note both the wide range of topics covered and the personnel doing so. The sessions tend to be very high quality. A portion of attendees are the kind sent by their companies to "learn about time & frequency" this week, so as a practicing time nut you are well above that. On the other hand, NIST keeps the conference current and practical and detailed so even the most seasoned time nut will learn a great deal. You may also meet lifelong contacts. I have attended and highly recommend it. If it's just registration price that keeps an energetic curious time nut from attending let me know. In years past I've recommended NIST allow a limited time nut discount and that's worked. Let me know off-list if this is something you'd like to be considered for. /tvb ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] NIST time and frequency seminar - 11-14 June in Boulder, CO
On 2/15/19 3:33 PM, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. wrote: Jim, ... Please register by June 4, 2019 to ensure your spot at this event. The registration fee is $1,900. Thanks for the heads up. Best Regards, John W. It *is* a bit pricey - - I didn't see if there's a time-nuts promo code. IEEE IMS is about the same this year ($1130 if you preregister, and given that IEEE membership is about $200, you'd be insane to pay the non-member registration for IMS of $1700).. However IMS is a much bigger deal - it's also the week before this, if you're looking to keep busy in June.. The weather in Boulder will be better than the weather in Boston. On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 3:00 PM jimlux wrote: https://www.nist.gov/news-events/events/2019/06/2019-nist-time-and-frequency-seminar ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] NIST time and frequency seminar - 11-14 June in Boulder, CO
Mother of God, John, what makes this meeting worth the price? On Friday, February 15, 2019, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. < j...@westmorelandengineering.com> wrote: > Jim, > ... > Please register by June 4, 2019 to ensure your spot at this event. The > registration fee is $1,900. > > Thanks for the heads up. > > Best Regards, > John W. > > > On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 3:00 PM jimlux wrote: > > > > > https://www.nist.gov/news-events/events/2019/06/2019- > nist-time-and-frequency-seminar > > > > ___ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to > > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > > and follow the instructions there. > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/ > listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. > -- ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] NIST time and frequency seminar - 11-14 June in Boulder, CO
Jim, ... Please register by June 4, 2019 to ensure your spot at this event. The registration fee is $1,900. Thanks for the heads up. Best Regards, John W. On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 3:00 PM jimlux wrote: > > https://www.nist.gov/news-events/events/2019/06/2019-nist-time-and-frequency-seminar > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there.
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