Re: [time-nuts] Reverse Engineering FTS/Datum/Symmetricom 1050A or 1150A

2019-11-26 Thread ew via time-nuts
We are spending most of our time to find the best clean up loop, work includes 
EFOS 3 and 4. If would be nice if some one can share info on the 1050A we would 
duplicate and test

Thanks   Bert Kehren


In a message dated 11/25/2019 9:39:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
act...@hotmail.com writes:

Hi Jim;This may be best to go back to Time-Nuts for this.A properly working 
1050A is still one of the best Quartz Standards/Clean-Up Oscillators ever made 
and most likely will be for the foreseeable future making it well worth the 
effort of building extensive documentation - I for one would really enjoy 
contributing to that effort. Actually I think this logic could apply to a 
number of products.Now may be a good time if other Time-Nuts are interest in 
the same thing. A group of Time-Nuts could create a schematic of the basic 
design and the various revisions/options. Add photos, voltages, and signals at 
various test points, and how problems were resolved. I have found that most 
instruments have "The Usual Suspects" a few areas where in the unlikely event 
they have an issue it will often be the same part.  On the short term problem 
you are seeing I would test the 1000B out of circuit first and follow the 
signal path from there. Which options and what are the approximate build dates 
of yours.My main point is years ago there were third party companies like Sam 
Photo Fax offering tech and repair data on a wide range of electronics, and in 
this era where more and more companies are unwilling to share schematics and 
repair info we are seeing communities like the Time-Nuts, Volt-Nuts, and XDevs 
doing just that. Perhaps it is time to bring a more systemic and structured 
approach to that end. I would really enjoy being a part of such an 
effort.Cheers;
Tom Knox
SR Test and Measurement Engineer
Ascent Concepts and Technology
4475 Whitney Place
Boulder Colorado 80305
303-554-0307
act...@hotmail.com
"Peace is not the absence of violence, but the presence of Justice" Both MLK 
and Albert Einstein
From: AC0XU (Jim) 
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 4:26 PMTo: Tom Knox 
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Service manuial for FTS 1050A or 
1150A
Tom-
Thanks for that. There is normal power in to the controller board and no power 
out. Shouldn't be too hard to track down, but the power board suprises me in 
its complexity. Was hoping to find a schematic...
BTW, I also have a few of these units. One works really well. Another has very 
poor short time stability.  I am guessing that there is something wrong with 
it, but do you have any ideas what could cause the behavior?
Jim

At 01:22 PM 11/25/2019, you wrote:Hi Jim;Let me know if you have any luck on 
the 1050A manual and I will do the same, I think the 1050A and 5071A are the 
holy Grail of service manuals. I have a couple 1050A's with issues. These are 
great cleanup oscillators, they often far exceed PN specs, I one better then 
128dB @ 1Hz which puts them up there with BVA's. The power board should not be 
to much trouble, If you need me to measure any voltages on a working 1050A let 
me know.Cheers;
Tom Knox
SR Test and Measurement Engineer
NIST/Ascent Concepts and Technology
4475 Whitney Place
Boulder Colorado 80305
303-554-0307
act...@hotmail.com"Peace is not the absence of violence, but the presence of 
Justice" Both MLK and Albert Einstein
From: time-nuts 
 on behalf of AC0XU (Jim) 
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 9:55 AMTo: 
time-nuts@lists.febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Service 
manuial for FTS 1050A or 1150A
Does anyone have a service manual for either FTS 1050A or 1150A (they are 
almost identical)? I have an 1150A with a bad power board
Thanks!
Jim

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[time-nuts] Reverse Engineering FTS/Datum/Symmetricom 1050A or 1150A

2019-11-25 Thread Tom Knox
Hi Jim;
This may be best to go back to Time-Nuts for this.
A properly working 1050A is still one of the best Quartz Standards/Clean-Up 
Oscillators ever made and most likely will be for the foreseeable future making 
it well worth the effort of building extensive documentation - I for one would 
really enjoy contributing to that effort. Actually I think this logic could 
apply to a number of products.
Now may be a good time if other Time-Nuts are interest in the same thing. A 
group of Time-Nuts could create a schematic of the basic design and the various 
revisions/options. Add photos, voltages, and signals at various test points, 
and how problems were resolved. I have found that most instruments have "The 
Usual Suspects" a few areas where in the unlikely event they have an issue it 
will often be the same part.
  On the short term problem you are seeing I would test the 1000B out of 
circuit first and follow the signal path from there. Which options and what are 
the approximate build dates of yours.
My main point is years ago there were third party companies like Sam Photo Fax 
offering tech and repair data on a wide range of electronics, and in this era 
where more and more companies are unwilling to share schematics and repair info 
we are seeing communities like the Time-Nuts, Volt-Nuts, and XDevs doing just 
that. Perhaps it is time to bring a more systemic and structured approach to 
that end. I would really enjoy being a part of such an effort.
Cheers;

Tom Knox

SR Test and Measurement Engineer

Ascent Concepts and Technology

4475 Whitney Place

Boulder Colorado 80305

303-554-0307

act...@hotmail.com

"Peace is not the absence of violence, but the presence of Justice" Both MLK 
and Albert Einstein


From: AC0XU (Jim) 
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 4:26 PM
To: Tom Knox 
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Service manuial for FTS 1050A or 1150A

Tom-

Thanks for that. There is normal power in to the controller board and no power 
out. Shouldn't be too hard to track down, but the power board suprises me in 
its complexity. Was hoping to find a schematic...

BTW, I also have a few of these units. One works really well. Another has very 
poor short time stability.  I am guessing that there is something wrong with 
it, but do you have any ideas what could cause the behavior?

Jim


At 01:22 PM 11/25/2019, you wrote:
Hi Jim;
Let me know if you have any luck on the 1050A manual and I will do the same, I 
think the 1050A and 5071A are the holy Grail of service manuals. I have a 
couple 1050A's with issues. These are great cleanup oscillators, they often far 
exceed PN specs, I one better then 128dB @ 1Hz which puts them up there with 
BVA's. The power board should not be to much trouble, If you need me to measure 
any voltages on a working 1050A let me know.
Cheers;

Tom Knox

SR Test and Measurement Engineer

NIST/Ascent Concepts and Technology

4475 Whitney Place

Boulder Colorado 80305

303-554-0307

act...@hotmail.com
"Peace is not the absence of violence, but the presence of Justice" Both MLK 
and Albert Einstein


From: time-nuts  on behalf of AC0XU (Jim) 

Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 9:55 AM
To: time-nuts@lists.febo.com 
Subject: [time-nuts] Service manuial for FTS 1050A or 1150A

Does anyone have a service manual for either FTS 1050A or 1150A (they are 
almost identical)? I have an 1150A with a bad power board

Thanks!

Jim


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