Re: [time-nuts] Yukon to make Daylight Saving Time permanent after final time change Sunday
Temps atomique international toujours et partout! On Friday, March 6, 2020, Brian Lloyd wrote: > On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 10:12 AM David Van Horn via time-nuts < > time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > > GMT EVERYWHERE!! > > > > TAI everywhere! > > -- > > > > Brian Lloyd > 706 Flightline > Spring Branch, TX 78070 > br...@lloyd.aero > +1.210.802-8FLY (1.210.802-8359) > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/ > listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. > -- Homo sum humani a me nihil alienum puto. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Yukon to make Daylight Saving Time permanent after final time change Sunday
I still maintain that if people want another hour in the evening, they can get up an hour earlier. Why do they think they need to change the clocks? Some people just can't deal with reality and need someone else to make their decisions for them. OK, I will step off my soapbox now. :-) David N1HAC On 3/6/20 1:41 PM, Peter Loron wrote: This is really shouldn’t be an issue. Many car manufacturers are leveraging and improving already existing cellular data systems in their cars to provide software and firmware updates over the air. I suspect the issue is more the long supply chain lead times…there is a several year lag between deciding to have a feature and getting the car hardware and software out to the public. Unless you are Tesla. -Pete On Mar 6, 2020, at 07:10, GERRY ASHTON wrote: I just got a 2020 car which offers to sync the clock on the instrument panel to the GPS receiver. But the time zone and observance of DST must be set manually. In principle, if the position is known, the time zone and DST can be looked up. But since the software in the car is not routinely updated and the various national, state, and provincial legislatures like to monkey with this, look up is not feasible. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.febo.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Ftime-nuts_lists.febo.comdata=02%7C01%7Cdavid.g.mcgaw%40dartmouth.edu%7Cb5c3ff5971844896197108d7c1fe05b0%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C0%7C637191169071271398sdata=SB%2Fh3Jl%2FDSrKykbyjKNMCyuSQSKUbyjWIm3yszWTP5s%3Dreserved=0 and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.febo.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Ftime-nuts_lists.febo.comdata=02%7C01%7Cdavid.g.mcgaw%40dartmouth.edu%7Cb5c3ff5971844896197108d7c1fe05b0%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C0%7C637191169071271398sdata=SB%2Fh3Jl%2FDSrKykbyjKNMCyuSQSKUbyjWIm3yszWTP5s%3Dreserved=0 and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Yukon to make Daylight Saving Time permanent after final time change Sunday
This is really shouldn’t be an issue. Many car manufacturers are leveraging and improving already existing cellular data systems in their cars to provide software and firmware updates over the air. I suspect the issue is more the long supply chain lead times…there is a several year lag between deciding to have a feature and getting the car hardware and software out to the public. Unless you are Tesla. -Pete > On Mar 6, 2020, at 07:10, GERRY ASHTON wrote: > > I just got a 2020 car which offers to sync the clock on the instrument panel > to the GPS receiver. But the time zone and observance of DST must be set > manually. In principle, if the position is known, the time zone and DST can > be looked up. But since the software in the car is not routinely updated and > the various national, state, and provincial legislatures like to monkey with > this, look up is not feasible. > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Yukon to make Daylight Saving Time permanent after final time change Sunday
Since the borders are political rather than purely geographical, the obvious answer is to put the data in the GPS receiver's map database. It has both the relevant borderlines and the most frequent update strategy. On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 6:36 PM Steve Allen wrote: > On Fri 2020-03-06T10:10:28-0500 GERRY ASHTON hath writ: > > I just got a 2020 car which offers to sync the clock on the > > instrument panel to the GPS receiver. But the time zone and > > observance of DST must be set manually. In principle, if the position > > is known, the time zone and DST can be looked up. > > Take this over to the IANA tz list where even there they will assert > that the last sentence is beyond their purview and therefore "somebody > else's problem". Better strategy is to sync the clock to cell phone > signals and let that "somebody else" be the phone company who are at > least being paid to address the problem. > > -- > Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) > UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat > +36.99855 > 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng > -122.06015 > Santa Cruz, CA 95064 https://www.ucolick.org/~sla/ Hgt +250 m > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Yukon to make Daylight Saving Time permanent after final time change Sunday
On Fri 2020-03-06T10:10:28-0500 GERRY ASHTON hath writ: > I just got a 2020 car which offers to sync the clock on the > instrument panel to the GPS receiver. But the time zone and > observance of DST must be set manually. In principle, if the position > is known, the time zone and DST can be looked up. Take this over to the IANA tz list where even there they will assert that the last sentence is beyond their purview and therefore "somebody else's problem". Better strategy is to sync the clock to cell phone signals and let that "somebody else" be the phone company who are at least being paid to address the problem. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA 95064 https://www.ucolick.org/~sla/ Hgt +250 m ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Yukon to make Daylight Saving Time permanent after final time change Sunday
Yikes. I guess we still have UTC. > On Mar 6, 2020, at 10:31, Adrian Godwin wrote: > > Sadly, there's a substantial part of the British public that wants us to > change to DST and double-DST. So we might end up with Greenwich not > being on GMT. > > > On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 4:12 PM David Van Horn via time-nuts < > time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > >> GMT EVERYWHERE!! >> >> -- >> David VanHorn >> Lead Hardware Engineer >> >> Backcountry Access, Inc. >> 2820 Wilderness Pl, Unit H >> Boulder, CO 80301 USA >> phone: 303-417-1345 x110 >> email: david.vanh...@backcountryaccess.com >> >> >> ___ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com >> and follow the instructions there. >> > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Yukon to make Daylight Saving Time permanent after final time change Sunday
Sadly, there's a substantial part of the British public that wants us to change to DST and double-DST. So we might end up with Greenwich not being on GMT. On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 4:12 PM David Van Horn via time-nuts < time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > GMT EVERYWHERE!! > > -- > David VanHorn > Lead Hardware Engineer > > Backcountry Access, Inc. > 2820 Wilderness Pl, Unit H > Boulder, CO 80301 USA > phone: 303-417-1345 x110 > email: david.vanh...@backcountryaccess.com > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Yukon to make Daylight Saving Time permanent after final time change Sunday
I just got a 2020 car which offers to sync the clock on the instrument panel to the GPS receiver. But the time zone and observance of DST must be set manually. In principle, if the position is known, the time zone and DST can be looked up. But since the software in the car is not routinely updated and the various national, state, and provincial legislatures like to monkey with this, look up is not feasible. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Yukon to make Daylight Saving Time permanent after final time change Sunday
GMT EVERYWHERE!! -- David VanHorn Lead Hardware Engineer Backcountry Access, Inc. 2820 Wilderness Pl, Unit H Boulder, CO 80301 USA phone: 303-417-1345 x110 email: david.vanh...@backcountryaccess.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Yukon to make Daylight Saving Time permanent after final time change Sunday
Think the idea is to have the entire west coast from Alaska, BC and all the way down to California on one time zone. What I am not sure is how they incorporate this time change into electronic devices that auto adjust. If software driven no big deal I suppose. -=Bryan=- From: time-nuts on behalf of Richard Solomon Sent: March 5, 2020 3:46 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Yukon to make Daylight Saving Time permanent after final time change Sunday Or, you could be in Arizona. Most of the state, but not all, does not do DST. 73, Dick, W1KSZ On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 4:32 PM Bryan _ wrote: > In Canada apparently DST can be amended at the provincial level. Ongoing > right now in BC is to follow what the Yukon is doing and get away from DST, > but with trade to our neighbours to the south it's preferable everyone be > the same. As I understand Washington and Oregon and I think California are > following suit but require congress approval. If approved by Congress then > BC will follow through. > > -=Bryan=- > > > From: time-nuts on behalf of Bob kb8tq > > Sent: March 5, 2020 3:17 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement < > time-nuts@lists.febo.com> > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Yukon to make Daylight Saving Time permanent > after final time change Sunday > > Hi > > I suspect that DST is a decision you can make at the provincial / > territorial level and that > time zones are a federal level sort of thing …… > > Bob > > > On Mar 5, 2020, at 4:13 PM, Adrian Godwin wrote: > > > > Would it be too pedantic to say they're ending DST but changing > > their timezone ? > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 9:03 PM Peter Vince > wrote: > > > >> I've just seen a news item on the Ganadian Global News website > announcing > >> that the Yukon will remain on Daylight Saving Time indefinitely after > the > >> forthcoming change to DST. See: > >> > >> > >> > https://globalnews.ca/news/6633447/yukon-permanent-daylight-saving-time/ > >> > >> Peter > >> ___ > >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > >> To unsubscribe, go to > >> http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > >> and follow the instructions there. > >> > > ___ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > > and follow the instructions there. > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Yukon to make Daylight Saving Time permanent after final time change Sunday
There is a committee of our state legislature here in Massachusetts considering a switch to Atlantic Standard Time year round.Not sure how far it will get unless we can get other nearby states to change with us. -Joe Fitzgerald Boston MA ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Yukon to make Daylight Saving Time permanent after final time change Sunday
Or, you could be in Arizona. Most of the state, but not all, does not do DST. 73, Dick, W1KSZ On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 4:32 PM Bryan _ wrote: > In Canada apparently DST can be amended at the provincial level. Ongoing > right now in BC is to follow what the Yukon is doing and get away from DST, > but with trade to our neighbours to the south it's preferable everyone be > the same. As I understand Washington and Oregon and I think California are > following suit but require congress approval. If approved by Congress then > BC will follow through. > > -=Bryan=- > > > From: time-nuts on behalf of Bob kb8tq > > Sent: March 5, 2020 3:17 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement < > time-nuts@lists.febo.com> > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Yukon to make Daylight Saving Time permanent > after final time change Sunday > > Hi > > I suspect that DST is a decision you can make at the provincial / > territorial level and that > time zones are a federal level sort of thing …… > > Bob > > > On Mar 5, 2020, at 4:13 PM, Adrian Godwin wrote: > > > > Would it be too pedantic to say they're ending DST but changing > > their timezone ? > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 9:03 PM Peter Vince > wrote: > > > >> I've just seen a news item on the Ganadian Global News website > announcing > >> that the Yukon will remain on Daylight Saving Time indefinitely after > the > >> forthcoming change to DST. See: > >> > >> > >> > https://globalnews.ca/news/6633447/yukon-permanent-daylight-saving-time/ > >> > >> Peter > >> ___ > >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > >> To unsubscribe, go to > >> http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > >> and follow the instructions there. > >> > > ___ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > > and follow the instructions there. > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Yukon to make Daylight Saving Time permanent after final time change Sunday
In Canada apparently DST can be amended at the provincial level. Ongoing right now in BC is to follow what the Yukon is doing and get away from DST, but with trade to our neighbours to the south it's preferable everyone be the same. As I understand Washington and Oregon and I think California are following suit but require congress approval. If approved by Congress then BC will follow through. -=Bryan=- From: time-nuts on behalf of Bob kb8tq Sent: March 5, 2020 3:17 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Yukon to make Daylight Saving Time permanent after final time change Sunday Hi I suspect that DST is a decision you can make at the provincial / territorial level and that time zones are a federal level sort of thing …… Bob > On Mar 5, 2020, at 4:13 PM, Adrian Godwin wrote: > > Would it be too pedantic to say they're ending DST but changing > their timezone ? > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 9:03 PM Peter Vince wrote: > >> I've just seen a news item on the Ganadian Global News website announcing >> that the Yukon will remain on Daylight Saving Time indefinitely after the >> forthcoming change to DST. See: >> >> >> https://globalnews.ca/news/6633447/yukon-permanent-daylight-saving-time/ >> >> Peter >> ___ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com >> and follow the instructions there. >> > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Yukon to make Daylight Saving Time permanent after final time change Sunday
Hi I suspect that DST is a decision you can make at the provincial / territorial level and that time zones are a federal level sort of thing …… Bob > On Mar 5, 2020, at 4:13 PM, Adrian Godwin wrote: > > Would it be too pedantic to say they're ending DST but changing > their timezone ? > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 9:03 PM Peter Vince wrote: > >> I've just seen a news item on the Ganadian Global News website announcing >> that the Yukon will remain on Daylight Saving Time indefinitely after the >> forthcoming change to DST. See: >> >> >> https://globalnews.ca/news/6633447/yukon-permanent-daylight-saving-time/ >> >> Peter >> ___ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com >> and follow the instructions there. >> > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Yukon to make Daylight Saving Time permanent after final time change Sunday
Would it be too pedantic to say they're ending DST but changing their timezone ? On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 9:03 PM Peter Vince wrote: > I've just seen a news item on the Ganadian Global News website announcing > that the Yukon will remain on Daylight Saving Time indefinitely after the > forthcoming change to DST. See: > > > https://globalnews.ca/news/6633447/yukon-permanent-daylight-saving-time/ > > Peter > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there.
