[tips] lazy American students.........maybe not quite that bad

2009-12-22 Thread Pollak, Edward
I wish I could send TIPS some of the blog entries written by a young cousin of 
mine who was teaching English in China at some private schools for the children 
of fairly wealthy families. The poor work ethic, sense of entitlement,   lack 
of respect for authority that she described (for the majority of her students) 
was appalling even by modern American standards. Of course she also describes 
some outstanding students but these were a decided minority.  If you consider 
that only the cream of the Chinese crop get to come to the USA for study, the 
comparison made in the original article is not a fair one.

I don't mean to defend the lack of work ethic in the bulk of our modern student 
body you can't compare what are likely elite Chinese students with 
run-of-the-mill American students. Another factor: the Chinese students are 
likely from the privileged classes and don't have to hold down part or full 
time jobs while studying here. Many of our students do.

Ed


Edward I. Pollak, Ph.D.
Department of Psychology
West Chester University of Pennsylvania

Husband, father, grandfather, biopsychologist,  bluegrass fiddler.. in 
approximate order of importance.

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re: [tips] lazy American students.........maybe not quite that bad

2009-12-22 Thread Mike Palij
On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 06:31:53 -0800, Edward Pollak wrote:
I wish I could send TIPS some of the blog entries written by a 
young cousin of mine who was teaching English in China at some 
private schools for the children of fairly wealthy families. The poor 
work ethic, sense of entitlement,   lack of respect for authority 
that she described (for the majority of her students) was appalling 
even by modern American standards. Of course she also describes 
some outstanding students but these were a decided minority.  If you 
consider that only the cream of the Chinese crop get to come to 
the USA for study, the comparison made in the original article is 
not a fair one.

I don't mean to defend the lack of work ethic in the bulk of our 
modern student body you can't compare what are likely elite Chinese 
students with run-of-the-mill American students. Another factor: the 
Chinese students are likely from the privileged classes and don't have 
to hold down part or full time jobs while studying here. Many of our 
students do.

The issue of biased sampling in U.S. account of students should also
be kept in mind.  Consider the following article which talks about
U.S. students who are likely to be elite as well though the point of
the article is that trying to be elite may take a significant toll; see:

http://ed.stanford.edu/suse/faculty/displayFacultyNews.php?tablename=notify1id=401

In NYC, the financial and social elite often reckon the trajectory of
their children's educational and social life course at an early age.
This is what make stories about not getting one's child into the
right pre-school program so hilarious and so sad.

-Mike Palij
New York University
m...@nyu.edu




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Re: [tips] lazy American students.........maybe not quite that bad

2009-12-22 Thread Christopher D. Green
There are some good points in this article (although the irony of 
Stanford inveighing against elitism is pretty broad). When the author 
writes, however, that students today have no time to hang out or delve 
into deep problems or reflect on what they are learning, I suspect that 
she has strung together disparate aspects of her own mental life and 
theirs.

I only wish the problems I ran into were overworking students. 
Admittedly, York is not elite by any measure. I am still surprised 
(well, maybe just saddened) that in my stats class every year, some do 
not know what an exponent is, most do not know what a factorial is, and 
nearly all are unable to do (or even follow?) the three lines of algebra 
I perform each year to convert a simple power formula into one that 
gives the number of subjects required (I am so used to NOT losing them 
with the phrase solve for n that I can hardly say it anymore). Perhaps 
they have been too busy learning the finer points of soccer and piano. 
If so, I am content with that trade-off. Perhaps too many of them have 
full-time jobs on the side. If so, then it is one of the few problems 
that can be easily solved by the application of money (and we should do 
that). I fear, however, that too many have been too busy learning Grand 
Theft Auto and Call of Duty.

Chris
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Christopher D. Green
Department of Psychology
York University
Toronto, ON M3J 1P3
Canada

 

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http://www.yorku.ca/christo/

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Mike Palij wrote:
 On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 06:31:53 -0800, Edward Pollak wrote:
   
 I wish I could send TIPS some of the blog entries written by a 
 young cousin of mine who was teaching English in China at some 
 private schools for the children of fairly wealthy families. The poor 
 work ethic, sense of entitlement,   lack of respect for authority 
 that she described (for the majority of her students) was appalling 
 even by modern American standards. Of course she also describes 
 some outstanding students but these were a decided minority.  If you 
 consider that only the cream of the Chinese crop get to come to 
 the USA for study, the comparison made in the original article is 
 not a fair one.

 I don't mean to defend the lack of work ethic in the bulk of our 
 modern student body you can't compare what are likely elite Chinese 
 students with run-of-the-mill American students. Another factor: the 
 Chinese students are likely from the privileged classes and don't have 
 to hold down part or full time jobs while studying here. Many of our 
 students do.
 

 The issue of biased sampling in U.S. account of students should also
 be kept in mind.  Consider the following article which talks about
 U.S. students who are likely to be elite as well though the point of
 the article is that trying to be elite may take a significant toll; see:

 http://ed.stanford.edu/suse/faculty/displayFacultyNews.php?tablename=notify1id=401

 In NYC, the financial and social elite often reckon the trajectory of
 their children's educational and social life course at an early age.
 This is what make stories about not getting one's child into the
 right pre-school program so hilarious and so sad.

 -Mike Palij
 New York University
 m...@nyu.edu


   



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