RE: [tips] Hey! Good At Problem Solving? Maybe You Can Win A Prize!
This is how I see it: (1) Get bunches of different sized animals and calculate the size and weight of the animals (I write "size" because one would probably want a single number that reflects height, width, and depth). (2) Calculate the correlation across species of "size" and weight. Determine for which species the correlation is large and for which it small/weak. (3) Using a examples from different bunches of animals, has a person use magnitude estimation to guess the weight. Compare estimates made for animals where the correlation is strong and animals where the correlation is weak. (4) Step 3 above should indicate how much error there is in the estimates for the two groups of animals, which would suggest a "correction" or "fudge" factor that is added/subtracted from the initial estimate. NOTE: first establish how precise the weight estimate has to be, that is, what is an acceptable error margin. Just a starting point but I have the feeling that men and women have been sizing each other up for a lng time and they might be reasonably accurate at estimating weight. :-) One could also interview the carnies who guess weights at sideshows about how they do it but they might not want to give such secrets away.;-) -Mike Palij New York University m...@nyu.edu -Original Message- On Thu, 01 Mar 2012 10:21:17 -0800,, Marie Helweg-Larsen wrote: Yeah - I want to win $50,000 and since I know nothing about pigs or live animals or how one could estimate their weight from afar I seem to be a perfect candidate for solving the problem (and I'm also a woman which should improve my odds). Or we can all solve the problem on TIPS and the TIPS community can share the prize! -Original Message- From: Michael Palij [mailto:m...@nyu.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 12:16 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Cc: Michael Palij Subject: [tips] Hey! Good At Problem Solving? Maybe You Can Win A Prize! There is an interesting article/opinion piece in the NY Times today that reviews the role of prizes in the development of science and technology. Today, many prizes are "retrospective" like the Noble Prize which provides a reward for past work. According to this article, prizes for solutions to problems (prospective prizes) were a common means for getting a solution to a problem in the 19th century and earlier. These prizes decreased as companies started up their own research laboratories (e.g., Bell Labs) but there is now new interest in reviving the practice. Consider the following quotes: |Winners tend not to be the people you expect. The principal scientific |adviser to the Board of Longitude - someone to be reckoned with, as it |was Isaac Newton - had said that the only solutions possible for the |longitude problem would come from astronomy. No one thought the answer |would be found in a new kind of clock. If the British had spent money |on grants |to the usual suspects, it would have been wasted. The |conventional wisdom is that if you want to solve a molecular biology |problem you ask only molecular biologists. Big mistake. and |At Harvard Business School, Lakhani led a study of hundreds |of scientific problems posted on InnoCentive. These were |problems that the laboratories of science-driven companies had mostly |failed to solve, which is why they turned to InnoCentive. |They found that InnoCentive's network solved nearly 30 percent of them. | |What made for success? InnoCentive asks solvers to check boxes |indicating the different scientific fields that interest them. |The more diverse the interests of the base of solvers, the more |likely the problem was to be solved.The study also found that |expertise in the field of the problem actually hurt a solver's chances. |"The further the problem from the solver's expertise, the more likely |they are to solve it," Lakhini and his co-authors concluded. |If the problem fell completely outside a solver's expertise, that |raised his or her chance of success by 10 percent. In addition |to being a technical outsider, being a social outsider also helped - |women did significantly better than men, perhaps because they tended to |be more marginalized in the scientific |community. Alph Bingham, one of InnoCentive's founders, told |McKinsey that "you wouldn't hire" a significant percentage of |successful solvers based on their credentials. The article is available here: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/29/prizes-with-an-eye-toward-the-future/?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=thab1 And a link to the InnoCentive is here: http://www.innocentive.com/ So, who's interested in solving the problem of weighing a live animal? --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=16375 or send a blank email to leave-16375-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE: [tips] Simulation of Marie's "Funny" Correlations
The other difficulty with the scatterplots is, when you are correlating two 5-point scales, there are a limited number of xy coordinates on the scatterplot and various numbers of cases can be hiding under each score. Marie's scatterplots evidenced some attempt to illustrate the number of cases at each coordinate (with bolding and some random spread of the plotted dots) but it still isn't as clear as it would be with a more continuous scale. So, some method of illustrating the number of cases at each coordinate would be helpful in seeing the pattern that resulted in an overall negative correlation from two separate subgroups with positive correlations. One thing that will make this pattern clear is including the three trendlines or lines of best fit with both individual data sets and the overall combined set. This will show the clear barbell pattern with the overall trendline going from upper left to lower right and each individual Red and Blue trendline going from lower left to upper right intersecting the overall trendline at different points (the Blue at a higher point on the y-axis on the overall negative trendline than the Red). Plotting the red mean xy coordinate (which is near the center of the plot) and the blue mean xy coordinate (which is closer to the upper left hand corner of the plot) will also show how offset the two groups are. Red Blue X 2.952.22 Y 3.1 4.31 Rick Dr. Rick Froman, Chair Division of Humanities and Social Sciences Professor of Psychology Box 3055 John Brown University 2000 W. University Siloam Springs, AR 72761 rfro...@jbu.edu (479)524-7295 http://bit.ly/DrFroman -Original Message- From: Paul C Bernhardt [mailto:pcbernha...@frostburg.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 1:09 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] Simulation of Marie's "Funny" Correlations I think you need to look at the scatterplot of the entire data set with each group identified with a different color or symbol. That should help. But, with small correlations, it can be tough. Paul On Mar 1, 2012, at 1:18 PM, Helweg-Larsen, Marie wrote: > Hi Jim > That is so cool! > What I'm more concerned with is how to actually detect or quantify that this > is what is going on in a given existing data set (I'm happy to lend mine). I > sure did not see this pattern in my scatterplot data (although John Kulig > interpreted the plot well). > Marie > > Marie Helweg-Larsen, Ph.D. > Associate Professor l Department of Psychology Kaufman 168 l Dickinson > College Phone 717.245.1562 l Fax 717.245.1971 Office Hours: Mondays > and Tuesdays 2:00-3:30 http://users.dickinson.edu/~helwegm/index.html > > > > -Original Message- > From: Jim Clark [mailto:j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca] > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 12:06 AM > To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) > Subject: [tips] Simulation of Marie's "Funny" Correlations > > Hi > > I played around a bit and found it quite easy to simulate Marie's > correlational quandary from a few days ago. There is an SPSS program and PDF > of one run at: > > http://ion.uwinnipeg.ca/~clark/2012/ > > Final graph shows clearly positive relationship within groups and negative > relationship overall. > > Take care > Jim > > > James M. Clark > Professor of Psychology > 204-786-9757 > 204-774-4134 Fax > j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: helw...@dickinson.edu. > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13234.b0e864a6eccfc779c8119f5a446879 > 7f&n=T&l=tips&o=16353 or send a blank email to > leave-16353-13234.b0e864a6eccfc779c8119f5a4468797f@fsulist.frostburg.e > du > > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: pcbernha...@frostburg.edu. > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13441.4e79e96ebb5671bdb50111f18f2630 > 03&n=T&l=tips&o=16371 or send a blank email to > leave-16371-13441.4e79e96ebb5671bdb50111f18f263003@fsulist.frostburg.e > du --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: rfro...@jbu.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13039.37a56d458b5e856d05bcfb3322db5f8a&n=T&l=tips&o=16373 or send a blank email to leave-16373-13039.37a56d458b5e856d05bcfb3322db5...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=16374 or send a blank email to leave-16374-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Simulation of Marie's "Funny" Correlations
I think you need to look at the scatterplot of the entire data set with each group identified with a different color or symbol. That should help. But, with small correlations, it can be tough. Paul On Mar 1, 2012, at 1:18 PM, Helweg-Larsen, Marie wrote: > Hi Jim > That is so cool! > What I'm more concerned with is how to actually detect or quantify that this > is what is going on in a given existing data set (I'm happy to lend mine). I > sure did not see this pattern in my scatterplot data (although John Kulig > interpreted the plot well). > Marie > > Marie Helweg-Larsen, Ph.D. > Associate Professor l Department of Psychology > Kaufman 168 l Dickinson College > Phone 717.245.1562 l Fax 717.245.1971 > Office Hours: Mondays and Tuesdays 2:00-3:30 > http://users.dickinson.edu/~helwegm/index.html > > > > -Original Message- > From: Jim Clark [mailto:j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca] > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 12:06 AM > To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) > Subject: [tips] Simulation of Marie's "Funny" Correlations > > Hi > > I played around a bit and found it quite easy to simulate Marie's > correlational quandary from a few days ago. There is an SPSS program and PDF > of one run at: > > http://ion.uwinnipeg.ca/~clark/2012/ > > Final graph shows clearly positive relationship within groups and negative > relationship overall. > > Take care > Jim > > > James M. Clark > Professor of Psychology > 204-786-9757 > 204-774-4134 Fax > j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: helw...@dickinson.edu. > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13234.b0e864a6eccfc779c8119f5a4468797f&n=T&l=tips&o=16353 > or send a blank email to > leave-16353-13234.b0e864a6eccfc779c8119f5a44687...@fsulist.frostburg.edu > > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: pcbernha...@frostburg.edu. > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13441.4e79e96ebb5671bdb50111f18f263003&n=T&l=tips&o=16371 > or send a blank email to > leave-16371-13441.4e79e96ebb5671bdb50111f18f263...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=16373 or send a blank email to leave-16373-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE: [tips] Hey! Good At Problem Solving? Maybe You Can Win A Prize!
Yeah - I want to win $50,000 and since I know nothing about pigs or live animals or how one could estimate their weight from afar I seem to be a perfect candidate for solving the problem (and I'm also a woman which should improve my odds). Or we can all solve the problem on TIPS and the TIPS community can share the prize! Marie Marie Helweg-Larsen, Ph.D. Associate Professor l Department of Psychology Kaufman 168 l Dickinson College Phone 717.245.1562 l Fax 717.245.1971 Office Hours: Mondays and Tuesdays 2:00-3:30 http://users.dickinson.edu/~helwegm/index.html -Original Message- From: Michael Palij [mailto:m...@nyu.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 12:16 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Cc: Michael Palij Subject: [tips] Hey! Good At Problem Solving? Maybe You Can Win A Prize! There is an interesting article/opinion piece in the NY Times today that reviews the role of prizes in the development of science and technology. Today, many prizes are "retrospective" like the Noble Prize which provides a reward for past work. According to this article, prizes for solutions to problems (prospective prizes) were a common means for getting a solution to a problem in the 19th century and earlier. These prizes decreased as companies started up their own research laboratories (e.g., Bell Labs) but there is now new interest in reviving the practice. Consider the following quotes: |Winners tend not to be the people you expect. The principal scientific |adviser to the Board of Longitude - someone to be reckoned with, as it |was Isaac Newton - had said that the only solutions possible for the |longitude problem would come from astronomy. No one thought the answer |would be found in a new kind of clock. If the British had spent money |on grants |to the usual suspects, it would have been wasted. The |conventional wisdom is that if you want to solve a molecular biology |problem you ask only molecular biologists. Big mistake. and |At Harvard Business School, Lakhani led a study of hundreds |of scientific problems posted on InnoCentive. These were |problems that the laboratories of science-driven companies had mostly |failed to solve, which is why they turned to InnoCentive. |They found that InnoCentive's network solved nearly 30 percent of them. | |What made for success? InnoCentive asks solvers to check boxes |indicating the different scientific fields that interest them. |The more diverse the interests of the base of solvers, the more |likely the problem was to be solved.The study also found that |expertise in the field of the problem actually hurt a solver's chances. |"The further the problem from the solver's expertise, the more likely |they are to solve it," Lakhini and his co-authors concluded. |If the problem fell completely outside a solver's expertise, that |raised his or her chance of success by 10 percent. In addition |to being a technical outsider, being a social outsider also helped - |women did significantly better than men, perhaps because they tended to |be more marginalized in the scientific |community. Alph Bingham, one of InnoCentive's founders, told |McKinsey that "you wouldn't hire" a significant percentage of |successful solvers based on their credentials. The article is available here: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/29/prizes-with-an-eye-toward-the-future/?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=thab1 And a link to the InnoCentive is here: http://www.innocentive.com/ So, who's interested in solving the problem of weighing a live animal? -Mike Palij New York University m...@nyu.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: helw...@dickinson.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13234.b0e864a6eccfc779c8119f5a4468797f&n=T&l=tips&o=16369 or send a blank email to leave-16369-13234.b0e864a6eccfc779c8119f5a44687...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=16372 or send a blank email to leave-16372-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE: [tips] Simulation of Marie's "Funny" Correlations
Hi Jim That is so cool! What I'm more concerned with is how to actually detect or quantify that this is what is going on in a given existing data set (I'm happy to lend mine). I sure did not see this pattern in my scatterplot data (although John Kulig interpreted the plot well). Marie Marie Helweg-Larsen, Ph.D. Associate Professor l Department of Psychology Kaufman 168 l Dickinson College Phone 717.245.1562 l Fax 717.245.1971 Office Hours: Mondays and Tuesdays 2:00-3:30 http://users.dickinson.edu/~helwegm/index.html -Original Message- From: Jim Clark [mailto:j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 12:06 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] Simulation of Marie's "Funny" Correlations Hi I played around a bit and found it quite easy to simulate Marie's correlational quandary from a few days ago. There is an SPSS program and PDF of one run at: http://ion.uwinnipeg.ca/~clark/2012/ Final graph shows clearly positive relationship within groups and negative relationship overall. Take care Jim James M. Clark Professor of Psychology 204-786-9757 204-774-4134 Fax j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: helw...@dickinson.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13234.b0e864a6eccfc779c8119f5a4468797f&n=T&l=tips&o=16353 or send a blank email to leave-16353-13234.b0e864a6eccfc779c8119f5a44687...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=16371 or send a blank email to leave-16371-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
[tips] Fw: The Teen Brain on Rage
Discovery - Original Message - From: Discovery News To: msylves...@copper.net Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 11:38 AM Subject: The Teen Brain on Rage Please add discov...@discoverymail.com to your address book to ensure delivery to your inbox. If you are having trouble viewing this email with images, click here. The Teen Brain on Rage: How It's Different An immature brain may play a role in making teens like the 17-year-old suspect in the Ohio shootings prone to violence. Read More WATCH VIDEO: Video Game Addiction Video games are notorious for their dedicated players, but is this going too far? Ancient Tomb Holds Jesus Mystery: Photos A carved out cave could be directly connected to Jesus' first followers. Read More WATCH VIDEO: Da Vinci Hid Biblical References Leonardo Da Vinci use mirrors to hide biblical images in his most famous masterpieces Bar-Coded Condoms Track Where You Have Sex QR-coded condoms link to a website so you can map where you had sex. Read More WATCH VIDEO: Science and Technology Help Find True Love Find out how this online dating site matches you to your future partner. Baby Stars Seen Throbbing Inside Orion A rainbow of color from the development of new stars is captured in infrared light by the Spitzer and Herschel space telescopes. Read More WATCH VIDEO: 3Qs: Star Aging Why does the age of a star even matter? Follow Discovery News on Facebook! Get your sci-tech headlines all day on Twitter too! Follow us @Discovery_News. At Discovery we value your privacy. If you would like to be removed from Discovery News emails like this, please click here to our subscription center, where you can manage your account. We recently updated our privacy policy. This policy is effective as of 10/30/07. To see new policy click here . Discovery Communications, LLC One Discovery Place Silver Spring, MD 20910 © 2010 Discovery Communications, LLC No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4844 - Release Date: 03/01/12 --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=16370 or send a blank email to leave-16370-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
[tips] Hey! Good At Problem Solving? Maybe You Can Win A Prize!
There is an interesting article/opinion piece in the NY Times today that reviews the role of prizes in the development of science and technology. Today, many prizes are "retrospective" like the Noble Prize which provides a reward for past work. According to this article, prizes for solutions to problems (prospective prizes) were a common means for getting a solution to a problem in the 19th century and earlier. These prizes decreased as companies started up their own research laboratories (e.g., Bell Labs) but there is now new interest in reviving the practice. Consider the following quotes: |Winners tend not to be the people you expect. The principal |scientific adviser to the Board of Longitude — someone to be |reckoned with, as it was Isaac Newton — had said that the only |solutions possible for the longitude problem would come from |astronomy. No one thought the answer would be found in a |new kind of clock. If the British had spent money on grants |to the usual suspects, it would have been wasted. The |conventional wisdom is that if you want to solve a molecular |biology problem you ask only molecular biologists. Big mistake. and |At Harvard Business School, Lakhani led a study of hundreds |of scientific problems posted on InnoCentive. These were |problems that the laboratories of science-driven companies |had mostly failed to solve, which is why they turned to InnoCentive. |They found that InnoCentive’s network solved nearly 30 percent of them. | |What made for success? InnoCentive asks solvers to check |boxes indicating the different scientific fields that interest them. |The more diverse the interests of the base of solvers, the more |likely the problem was to be solved.The study also found that |expertise in the field of the problem actually hurt a solver’s chances. |“The further the problem from the solver’s expertise, the more |likely they are to solve it,” Lakhini and his co-authors concluded. |If the problem fell completely outside a solver’s expertise, that |raised his or her chance of success by 10 percent. In addition |to being a technical outsider, being a social outsider also |helped — women did significantly better than men, perhaps |because they tended to be more marginalized in the scientific |community. Alph Bingham, one of InnoCentive’s founders, told |McKinsey that “you wouldn’t hire” a significant percentage of |successful solvers based on their credentials. The article is available here: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/29/prizes-with-an-eye-toward-the-future/?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=thab1 And a link to the InnoCentive is here: http://www.innocentive.com/ So, who's interested in solving the problem of weighing a live animal? -Mike Palij New York University m...@nyu.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=16369 or send a blank email to leave-16369-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE: [tips] What's what with weed, correction
But then, rarely has public policy been informed by the data Sigh. -- Marc Carter, PhD Associate Professor of Psychology Chair, Department of Behavioral and Health Sciences College of Arts & Sciences Baker University -- > -Original Message- > From: sbl...@ubishops.ca [mailto:sbl...@ubishops.ca] > Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 9:31 PM > To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) > Subject: [tips] What's what with weed, correction > > Dang. I sent you to page 2 of the article. You can get to the start > from there, or directly from here: > > http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=the-truth-about-pot > > The author regrets, etc. > > Stephen > > Stephen L. Black, Ph.D. > Professor of Psychology, Emeritus > Bishop's University > Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada > e-mail: sblack at ubishops.ca > - > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: marc.car...@bakeru.edu. > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13029.76c7c563b32ad9d8d09c72a2d17c90e > 1&n=T&l=tips&o=16349 > or send a blank email to leave-16349- > 13029.76c7c563b32ad9d8d09c72a2d17c9...@fsulist.frostburg.edu The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto ("e-mail") is sent by Baker University ("BU") and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify Baker University by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=16363 or send a blank email to leave-16363-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
[tips] infoSemester at sea
do students in those semester at sea programs get a Spring Break? I envision, that if they do, the ships' staff must be constantly on the alert to shout "S"TUDENT OVERBOARD!' Michael --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=16362 or send a blank email to leave-16362-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
[tips] The approximate number of neurons found in the human brain is ...
I'm not telling ... ;-) http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2012/feb/28/how-many-neurons-human-brain . Miguel --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=16360 or send a blank email to leave-16360-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu