Re: [tips] Happy Guy Fawkes Day!

2010-11-07 Thread Allen Esterson 
On 6 November 2010 Stephen Black wrote:
>This reminds me that I once did attend a Guy Fawkes
>fireworks celebration, in the coastal city of Swansea in Wales.
>Perhaps it was because the Welsh have never been too fond
>of the English

Oh, these stereotypical generalizations. :-)  (I'm talking about now, 
not past history.)

>and might have had mixed feelings about the failure
>of the Guy Fawkes plot

Hardly, given that Wales has a long Protestant tradition and the last 
census recorded that only 3 percent of the population were Catholics.

>possibly just because the weather was typically South
>Wales at this time of year, cold and drizzly.

Just possibly. :-)

Allen Esterson
Former lecturer, Science Department
Southwark College, London
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Re: [tips] Happy Guy Fawkes Day!

sblack
Sat, 06 Nov 2010 09:00:39 -0700

On 6 Nov 2010 at 6:30, Allen Esterson wrote:

> On the subject of Guy Fawkes night antics:
> > I wonder if the English celebrate by not having fireworks?
>
> The answer to Marc Carter's tongue-in-cheek question is vividly
> illustrated here:
> http://tinyurl.com/34vsfx4

This reminds me that I once did attend a Guy Fawkes fireworks
celebration, in the coastal city of Swansea in Wales. Perhaps it
was because the Welsh have never been too fond of the
English and might have had mixed feelings about the failure of
the Guy Fawkes plot, or possibly just because the weather was
typically South Wales at this time of year, cold and drizzly. But it
was not as joyous a celebration as the 4th of July or Canada
Day. We all stood around in the dark on a cricket pitch and
shivered until the display was over and we could, gratefully, go
home.

[...]

Stephen


Stephen L. Black, Ph.D.
Professor of Psychology, Emeritus
Bishop's University
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada
e-mail:  sblack at ubishops.ca
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Re: [tips] Happy Guy Fawkes Day!

2010-11-06 Thread sblack 
On 6 Nov 2010 at 6:30, Allen Esterson wrote:
 
> On the subject of Guy Fawkes night antics:
> > I wonder if the English celebrate by not having fireworks?
> 
> The answer to Marc Carter's tongue-in-cheek question is vividly 
> illustrated here:
> http://tinyurl.com/34vsfx4

This reminds me that I once did attend a Guy Fawkes fireworks 
celebration, in the coastal city of Swansea in Wales. Perhaps it 
was because the Welsh have never been too fond of the 
English and might have had mixed feelings about the failure of 
the Guy Fawkes plot, or possibly just because the weather was 
typically South Wales at this time of year, cold and drizzly. But it 
was not as joyous a celebration as the 4th of July or Canada 
Day. We all stood around in the dark on a cricket pitch and 
shivered until the display was over and we could, gratefully, go 
home.

> 
> On a more serious note, Stephen Black wrote in relation to the way 
> heretics were treated in seventeenth century England:
> >Nowadays, even in America they treat terrorists better than that.

I take Allen's point about other countries being more culpable. 
The Americans are amateurs at it compared to the staggering 
brutality exhibited by countries such as Iran.

At the same time, (some) Canadians are outraged at the torture 
and prosecution for war crimes of one of its citizens, Omar 
Khadr, by a U.S. military tribunal. Khadr was only 15 when he 
committed his alleged crime. US news reports, including the 
usually thorough NPR, have been decidely one-sided in 
reporting this contentious case. He did plead guilty but he really 
had no choice given the high probability that a trial by the 
military, with a military jury, would have given him a life 
sentence. They did give him a symbolic 40 years in prison, 
negated by his plea deal to admit guilt. Whether he really did 
what he admitted to is an open question, as is the question 
concerning whether someone whom the UN considers a child 
soldier should have been prosecuted at all. Wikipedia has a 
long summary of the case. A shorter and probably more reliable 
summary is here:

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/01/13/f-omar-khadr.html

Stephen



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Bishop's University
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Re:[tips] Happy Guy Fawkes Day!

2010-11-06 Thread Allen Esterson 
Apologies for my previous non-message under the heading "Re: tips 
digest: November 05, 2010", sent by accident!

Here's the real thing:

On the subject of Guy Fawkes night antics:
> I wonder if the English celebrate by not having fireworks?

The answer to Marc Carter's tongue-in-cheek question is vividly 
illustrated here:
http://tinyurl.com/34vsfx4

On a more serious note, Stephen Black wrote in relation to the way 
heretics were treated in seventeenth century England:
>Nowadays, even in America they treat terrorists better than that.

Whatever abominable methods the US have used in such instances, it is 
well to keep in mind that they really do pale into relative 
insignificance compared with the torture, beatings, raping, and killing 
practised elsewhere, e.g, in the Republic of Iran:

The Times 18 September 2009
'Torture, murder and rape' — Iran’s way of breaking the opposition
[…]

“The use of rape and torture was similar across prisons in Tehran and 
the provinces. It is difficult not to conclude that the highest 
authorities planned and ordered these actions. Local authorities would 
not dare take such actions without word from above,” wrote one 
investigator, in a coded reference to Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the 
Supreme Leader.

Mehdi Karoubi, 72, a defeated presidential candidate, said: “These 
crimes are a source of shame for the Islamic republic.”

Allen Esterson
Former lecturer, Science Department
Southwark College, London
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From:   Christopher D. Green 
Subject:Happy Guy Fawkes Day!
Date:   Fri, 05 Nov 2010 08:46:52 -0400

Americans have Independence Day, where fireworks represent the 
artillery of revolutionary battle.
Canadians have Canada Day, where fireworks represent... the signing a 
peacefully negotiated charter?
The English have Guy Fawkes day, which celebrates there NOT having been 
a big explosion at Parliament? :-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes

Chris
--

Christopher D. Green
Department of Psychology
York University
Toronto, ON M3J 1P3
Canada

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From:   sbl...@ubishops.ca
Subject:Re: Happy Guy Fawkes Day!
Date:   Fri, 05 Nov 2010 09:21:24 -0400

On 5 Nov 2010 at 8:46, Christopher D. Green wrote:

> Americans have Independence Day, where fireworks represent the 
artillery of revolutionary battle.
Canadians have Canada Day, where fireworks represent... the signing a 
peacefully negotiated charter?
The English have Guy Fawkes day, which celebrates there NOT having been 
a big explosion at Parliament? :-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes

...which doesn't necessarily mean that the British commemorate a 
kinder, gentler event.

According to the Wikipedia entry:

"Each of the condemned would be drawn backwards to his death, by a 
horse, his head near the ground. They were to be "put to death halfway 
between heaven and earth as unworthy of both". Their genitals would be 
cut off and burnt before their eyes, and their bowels and hearts 
removed. They would then be decapitated, and the dismembered parts of 
their bodies displayed so that they might become "prey for the fowls of 
the air".

Nowadays, even in America they treat terrorists better than that.

Stephen


Stephen L. Black, Ph.D.
Professor of Psychology, Emeritus
Bishop's University
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada
e-mail:  sblack at ubishops.ca
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re: [tips] Happy Guy Fawkes Day!

2010-11-05 Thread Mike Palij 
On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 05:44:25 -0700, Christopher D. Green wrote:
>Americans have Independence Day, where fireworks represent the artillery 
>of revolutionary battle.
>Canadians have Canada Day, where fireworks represent... the signing a 
>peacefully negotiated charter?
>The English have Guy Fawkes day, which celebrates there NOT having been 
>a big explosion at Parliament? :-)
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes 

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the graphic novel or film 
"V for Vendetta" in which the persona of Guy Fawkes plays a major
role; see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_for_Vendetta_%28film%29

In celebration of Guy Fawkes day I would suggest setting a barnfire
or blowing something up but, given the recent U.S. midterm elections,
perhaps it would be better to just watch "V for Vendetta" on DVD
or on demand/streaming.  You won't lose any fingers that way,
well, not if you are careful while snacking. ;-)

-Mike Palij
New York University
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Re: [tips] Happy Guy Fawkes Day!

2010-11-05 Thread michael sylvester 
Is Guy Fawkes day celebrated in  Commonwealth countries? Australia,New Zealand 
maybe? As  one having Afro-British root s I do not remember any celebration in 
St.Lucia.
I guess our current Guy Fawkes is the destruction brought about by Hurricane 
Tomas.

Michael "omnicentric" Sylvester,PhD
Daytona Beach,Florida


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Re: [tips] Happy Guy Fawkes Day!

2010-11-05 Thread sblack 


On 5 Nov 2010 at 8:46, Christopher D. Green wrote:

> Americans have Independence Day, where fireworks 
represent the artillery of revolutionary battle. 
Canadians have Canada Day, where fireworks represent... the 
signing a peacefully negotiated charter?
The English have Guy Fawkes day, which celebrates there NOT 
having been a big explosion at Parliament? :-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes

...which doesn't necessarily mean that the British commemorate 
a kinder, gentler event.

According to the Wikipedia entry:

"Each of the condemned would be drawn backwards to his 
death, by a horse, his head near the ground. They were to be 
"put to death halfway between heaven and earth as unworthy of 
both". Their genitals would be cut off and burnt before their 
eyes, and their bowels and hearts removed. They would then be 
decapitated, and the dismembered parts of their bodies 
displayed so that they might become "prey for the fowls of the 
air".

Nowadays, even in America they treat terrorists better than that.

Stephen


Stephen L. Black, Ph.D.  
Professor of Psychology, Emeritus   
Bishop's University
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada   
e-mail:  sblack at ubishops.ca
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RE: [tips] Happy Guy Fawkes Day!

2010-11-05 Thread Marc Carter 

Shoot.  I forgot my costume.

I wonder if the English celebrate by not having fireworks?

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Associate Professor and Chair
Department of Psychology
College of Arts & Sciences
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From: Christopher D. Green [mailto:chri...@yorku.ca]
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 7:47 AM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: [tips] Happy Guy Fawkes Day!




Americans have Independence Day, where fireworks represent the artillery of 
revolutionary battle.
Canadians have Canada Day, where fireworks represent... the signing a 
peacefully negotiated charter?
The English have Guy Fawkes day, which celebrates there NOT having been a big 
explosion at Parliament? :-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes

Chris
--

Christopher D. Green
Department of Psychology
York University
Toronto, ON M3J 1P3
Canada



416-736-2100 ex. 66164
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