Re: [Tn5250j-general] [Fwd: Fw: TN5250J License]

2005-12-15 Thread Wim . Van . Leuven

Hello Pete,

As you explain LGPL, it seems to me
that this is the way to go!







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Wim (and all).

Sorry not to weigh in until now. I have been very, very busy. Hoping things
will slow down a bit over the next 2 or three weeks so I can do more on
the tn5250j stuff.

I am not a licensing expert but as I understand the LGPL, a company can
integrate the java classes/jars (library is what the LGPL language says)
into their application and can charge for the the application as long as
they don't charge for whatever they use from tn5250j. It
is a fine line in my opinion but they still need to indicate in their copyrights
that some of the application is dependent upon tn5250j and licensed under
LGPL (if we go that way). So they can use the tn5250j as part of
their solution. They cannot use any source from the project in their
own code or build a derived application from tn5250j and charge for it.
They can only use complete components that are identifiable
as such from tn5250j (like the protocolBean).

What I don't know is that if they decide to enhance the tn5250j code are
they obligated to contribute that code back to the project? I *think*
they are but I am not sure. Where things get fuzzy is
how to determine what component is being used.

No doubt some of the tn5250j code has found it's way into a commercial
product or two already. Not everybody plays by the rules. But
I think there is little risk in this approach.

In any case it speaks highly of what you guys have accomplished!

Pete


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Hello all, 

as I understood it, the people from Help/Systems were looking for a 5250
protocol to embed into their product. Of course they will be charging their
customers for this. As I interpret this, it's not a question of not OSS'ing
the project anymore, but establishing a licensing policy on the project
that allows them to integrate it. 






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Matt 

If you are on the list now here was a personal e-mail sent to me from one
of the people. I ony copied pasted a part of the e-mail as there
was some personal info and do not want to get him/her in trouble.

Could you maybe give some answers to the questions.

I want to open this conversation up and let everyone decide.

Sorry to put you in this but all the others that I have done this too has
backed down answering the questions in a public format. You guys
have been the most up front and honest so far which is why I have even
considered it.


Regards

Kenneth

Email below:
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Kenneth - - 

Wow!! No kidding!! Help/Systems!! MOST INTERESTING (yes
I am
shouting).

Since I am only a user, not a developer on this project, my 2 cents is
from a different perspective. My concerns are the life of the product.
As you know and I have said repeatedly - tn5250j rocks! Its great!

I want it to survive as an oss product. I would understand if the
developers needed to generate a cash flow, as sad as that would make me.

Do you know what Help/Systems is up to? Are they planning on putting
out the 5250 emulation and trying to charge for it? Do they want
to use
it as an oss product?



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Re: [Tn5250j-general] [Fwd: Fw: TN5250J License]

2005-12-15 Thread Richard Houston
I would agree with Pete here.

The only thing I would like to have clarified is if mods and bug fixes,
done but hep/systems, would have to be give back to project. Even if not
it would be nice to have the fixes back and to be able to say a commercial
out fit officially contributing to the project. :)



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 Hello Pete,


 As you explain LGPL, it seems to me that this is the way to go!






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 Wim (and all).


 Sorry not to weigh in until now. I have been very, very busy. Hoping
 things will slow down a bit over the next 2 or three weeks so I can do more
 on the tn5250j stuff.

 I am not a licensing expert but as I understand the LGPL, a company can
 integrate the java classes/jars (library is what the LGPL language says)
 into their application and can charge for the the application as long as
 they don't charge for whatever they use from tn5250j.  It is a fine
 line in my opinion but they still need to indicate in their copyrights
 that some of the application is dependent upon tn5250j and licensed under
 LGPL
 (if we go that way).  So they can use the tn5250j as part of their
 solution.  They cannot use any source from the project in their own code or
 build a derived application from tn5250j and charge for it.  They can only
 use complete components that are identifiable as such from tn5250j (like
 the protocolBean).

 What I don't know is that if they decide to enhance the tn5250j code are
 they obligated to contribute that code back to the project?  I *think* they
 are but I am not sure.  Where things get fuzzy is how to determine what
 component is being used.


 No doubt some of the tn5250j code has found it's way into a commercial
 product or two already.  Not everybody plays by the rules.  But I think
 there is little risk in this approach.

 In any case it speaks highly of what you guys have accomplished!


 Pete



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 Hello all,


 as I understood it, the people from Help/Systems were looking for a 5250
 protocol to embed into their product. Of course they will be charging
 their customers for this. As I interpret this, it's not a question of not
  OSS'ing the project anymore, but establishing a licensing policy on the
 project that allows them to integrate it.




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 Matt


 If you are on the list now here was a personal e-mail sent to me from one
  of the people.  I ony copied pasted a part of the e-mail as there was
 some personal info and do not want to get him/her in trouble.

 Could you maybe give some answers to the questions.


 I want to open this conversation up and let everyone decide.


 Sorry to put you in this but all the others that I have done this too has
  backed down answering the questions in a public format.  You guys have
 been the most up front and honest so far which is why I have even
 considered it.


 Regards


 Kenneth


 Email below:
 ---


 Kenneth - -


 Wow!!  No kidding!!  Help/Systems!!  MOST INTERESTING (yes I am
 shouting).

 Since I am only a user, not a developer on this project, my 2 cents is
 from a different perspective.  My concerns are the life of the product. As
 you know and I have said repeatedly - tn5250j rocks!  Its great!

 I want it to survive as an oss product.  I would understand if the
 developers needed to generate a cash flow, as sad as that would make me.

 Do you know what Help/Systems is up to?  Are they planning on putting
 out the 5250 emulation and trying to charge for it?  Do they want to use it
 as an oss product?



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