JSP's compiling web.xml -webinc option on JspC

2004-07-11 Thread Laurence Arabia
Hi
At the moment I am using -webinc jspweb.xml with JspC and then I merge 
this with my web.xml which has all my servlets definition in it. But this is 
a bad way of doing it cause I am messing with 1000's of lines of text. What 
is the proper way to do this ?

Is there an option in web.xml that I can include jspweb.xml. So then I can 
build my jsp's and it will rewrite  jspweb.xml without having to change 
web.xml.

Or is there a merge option that I do not know about.
Using tomcat 5.0.12
Thanks
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RE: AGAIN: How can you deploy an application onto a specific host?

2004-07-07 Thread Laurence Arabia
I can only tell you how I do it Gents but I am not sure if its suitable. I 
have a NFS mount (Samba) which has my war but generall I dont jar it cause I 
can just use a file system with the same dir structure.

web/
web/WEB-INF
web/etc
then I go to the host I want to deploy it on
and type 
http://hosttodeployon/manager/deploy?path=somewebcontextwar=file://home/myhome/somewebcontext/build

somewebcontext being the  http://hosttodeployon/somewebcontext
also ant can do this for you automatically
Now the mount is over a number of machines so I can deploy and test over 
multiples. But if I want to upgrade a machine some where else I would use 
scp as the manager is not safe to have on a production enviroment (My 
paranoia not casting aspiritions (You say similar in your own docs Tomcat 
developers)) There is a attr in server.xml so that when somewebcontext.war 
is copied over it deploys over it again. Sorry cant find it now as I am at 
home.

I realise what you may have been looking for was someway to upload the war 
through the manager but to do that I would just copy over the existing war.


From: Ivan Jouikov [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: AGAIN:  How can you deploy an application onto a specific host?
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 14:30:29 -0700
I’ve asked this question before but nobody seemed to know the answer.  
So, I’ll ask again…

So, Tomcat has a maanger application, which allows you to dynamically 
deploy sutff. Nice.

But how can you deploy your stuff onto a SPECIFIC host?
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RE: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of the worstthingsto ever happen

2004-07-06 Thread Laurence Arabia
Exactly I agree when you are dealing with a team of 30+ delvelopers you 
either hold reviews every month and tie everyone down to a structure that 
evolves causing confusion and rewrites or the whole lot goes to pot. Which 
is fine if you work for a finance house with buckets of money but where 
productivity is more important than process C++ would not be my choice.
Degres of abstraction are more difficult to attain.  I would like to hear 
the opinion of a hardcore C++ programmer. Cause I would like to know the 
faults in this argument as I am sure there is. The performance question I 
think is almost irrelvant. If you want performance write C/Assembler in a 
kernel module perferably but ultimately its comes back to a some marshalling 
code whose structure has to be easily evolved and adapted its nature is 
almost disposable as protocols and business rules change.

Whats the opinion on gcj ?

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Subject: RE: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of the worstthingsto 
ever happen Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:22:25 -0500

If this is the case then I ask you why Java has been the number one 
programming language for 4 years now?  As was recognized long ago, 
performance is not everything.  And in fact, means little when you can't 
get your product out the door because you are still trying to chase down 
memory leaks, buffer overruns and corrupted pointers.  As somebody else 
said, C++ programmers will understand this.

Daniel
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le 4/07/04 14:27, SH Solutions à [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
 Right now, I would say that java applications (if well written) are at 
least
 half as fast as c applications (also well written).

Which means that when your java app is in competition with a native app,
youve lost the market.
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RE: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of the worstthingsto ever happenWOT

2004-07-06 Thread Laurence Arabia

I find your assertion that Jesus was a Software Developer a little 
challenging. Not to draw conclusions on those sources. I only suggest there 
is a lack of proof at my disposal.

gcj  --  jcg Yes I did get it.
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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:31:56 -0400

Is it? Hope you don't lie. Do you?
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Jesus agrees with me.
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 Exactly I agree when you are dealing with a team of 30+ delvelopers you
 either hold reviews every month and tie everyone down to a structure 
that
 evolves causing confusion and rewrites or the whole lot goes to pot. 
Which
 is fine if you work for a finance house with buckets of money but where
 productivity is more important than process C++ would not be my choice.
 Degres of abstraction are more difficult to attain.  I would like to 
hear
 the opinion of a hardcore C++ programmer. Cause I would like to know the
 faults in this argument as I am sure there is. The performance question 
I
 think is almost irrelvant. If you want performance write C/Assembler in 
a
 kernel module perferably but ultimately its comes back to a some
 marshalling
 code whose structure has to be easily evolved and adapted its nature is
 almost disposable as protocols and business rules change.

 Whats the opinion on gcj ?


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 Subject: RE: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of the
 worstthingsto
 ever happen Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:22:25 -0500
 
 If this is the case then I ask you why Java has been the number one
 programming language for 4 years now?  As was recognized long ago,
 performance is not everything.  And in fact, means little when you 
can't
 get your product out the door because you are still trying to chase 
down
 memory leaks, buffer overruns and corrupted pointers.  As somebody else
 said, C++ programmers will understand this.
 
 Daniel
 
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 Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 11:33 AM
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 le 4/07/04 14:27, SH Solutions Ю [EMAIL PROTECTED] a Иcrit :
 
   Right now, I would say that java applications (if well written) are 
at
 least
   half as fast as c applications (also well written).
 
 Which means that when your java app is in competition with a native 
app,
 youve lost the market.
 
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RE: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of the worst things to ever happen

2004-07-04 Thread Laurence Arabia
Hi
 After getting convinced to try JSTL, I learned the following things:
..
Having read points 1-6, I thought, there must be a truth in your remarks.
(I did'nt use JSTL or EL yet, but I am about to try.)
But then I got to:
 Why was C++ invented?  To give programmers jobs.  No other reason
whatsoever, C does whatever C++ does just as good, and better.
At that point, you just showed to be very closed-minded.
(C++ does have an accurate object model, which improves a lot. Yes, you can
do similar things with macros, but cumbersomely. From your point of view, 
go
ahead and programm assembly code. Believe me, it dies whatever C does just
as good, and better.)

I am inclined to agree but not for the same blanket reasons. I have worked 
on 2 very large C++ projects 30+ developers. And I did with another company 
the same thing with C and Java with 7 people in 1/4 the time. I have never 
touched C++ since. Why if you realise you made a design booboo (As I am sure 
I am not the only one)and it has to be changed ripping C++ apart is a more 
difficult than Java.  I know you can say thats down to good OO design but 
really in todays practical terms OO design is low on the priority of getting 
a product out the door. I have changed my doctrine to using small C files 
(less than 1000line) as drivers and then do all the business modelling in 
Java. A system becomes monolithic very quickly unless you are prepared to 
rip it apart and put it back together even before tomorrows deadline. Thats 
why I cannot see myself using C++ again because its too hard keep 
dependencies segregated and the number of layers while trying to do so 
increases. And developers becomes scared of changing anything.

Do you think my argumenr is fundamentally flawed?
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