RE: Bit off topic : What happened to RedHat?
In reference to c I'd like to point people to: Fedora.redhat.com/about/objectives.html look at number 7. I think people are getting confused by the new direction and the use of the words release and update. Wade -Original Message- From: Gerald Henriksen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 11:08 PM To: Tomcat Users List Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bit off topic : What happened to RedHat? On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:54:01 +1100, you wrote: Hi, does anyone know what happened to RedHat, its mailing list and forum? They are all still available through the Red Hat website. You can also check out http://fedora.redhat.com for more info about the new distribution Red Hat is putting out. Haven't used it for a while and it seems they are no more. Also, I run JVM and TC4 on RH7.1 kernel 2.4.2 and thinking about RH9, but someone said that's the last version and there won't be a *stability* version coming out after that. Red Hat is splitting into 2 product lines: 1) Red Hat Enterprise Linux. Available on a subscription bases in both Workstation and Server versions. Errata updates available for 5 years after release. While Red Hat does not offer binary releases of the Enterprise Line for download they do go beyond the package license requirements and offer the source RPMS for download is you can if you desire simply compile them to create your own version. 2) Fedora Linux. This is the replacement for the old Red Hat Linux line, and Fedora Core 1 is equivalent to Red Hat 10 (the testing process for FC1 actually started out as the beta for RH10). There are 3 big changes with Fedora: a) the name. Purpose of this is to allow for 3rd parties to make cd's, etc and distribute them (trademark law prohibited 3rd party making of Red Hat cdroms and calling them Red Hat when selling them). b) they will be a lot more aggressive in adding in new software/releases on a more flexible schedule (ie. releases won't necessarily be 6 months apart anymore, they will be determined by developments in the Linux community and not on shifting boxes in the retail channel. This means that binary compatibility between releases is no longer guaranteed. c) given b) support for bug fixes is dramatically shortened. While Red Hat 7.* lasted for years support is now for 3 months after the following release of Fedora. So support for Fedora Core 1 will end 3 months after the release of Fedora Core 2. This makes Fedora unsuitable for most commercial uses. Also, rumour has it RH8 is full of bugs ? Can someone share their experience please ? Red Hat 8 errata ends at the end of December and so should not even be considered. The big change in Red Hat 8 that caused some minor problems for some people was the move to gcc 3.2 Red Hat 9 has errata support until end of March 2004 and is very similar to Red Hat 8 (major change was the addition of NPTL). - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bit off topic : What happened to RedHat?
Hi, does anyone know what happened to RedHat? Haven't used it for a while and it seems they are no more. Yeah, they decided to stop giving away their operating system under the name RedHat. RH 9 is the last one. You can still purchase RedHat Enterprise, of course. They're not going out of business, just changing the way they do business. And since they are legally required to give it away in some form of another (it is a derivative work), they have created the Fedora project (http://fedora.redhat.com/). Apparently, reviews of the Core 1, released just recently, where pretty weak. Also, I run JVM and TC4 on RH7.1 kernel 2.4.2 and thinking about RH9, but someone said that's the last version and there won't be a *stability* version coming out after that. You should upgrade to *anything* from RH 7.1. I assume that you have the oops, we hosed glibc RPM upgrade already. RH 7.1 was probably the worst release of RH ever. I've used 7.3 on many servers running Java/Tomcat apps, and it does just fine. RH 8 and RH 9 were pretty much desktop releases, designed to work with more hardware and have nicer GUIs. Assuming that you're running a server, there's very little difference between 7.3, 8.0, and 9. Of course, the newer ones have newer kernels, but in general you can upgrade those yourself. Also, rumour has it RH8 is full of bugs? This isn't my experience, but I don't use a lot of the stuff that comes with RH. Pretty much just the raw network stuff and bash. :) One reason to go with RH 9 is the fact that it will be supported for a bit longer: RH 8.0 and earier will lose support (that is, RPM patches) on 31 December of this year. RH 9 will survive until April 2004. Or, you could bail on RH and go with another Distro. Feel free to start a flame war by asking which one :) -chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bit off topic : What happened to RedHat?
Or, you could bail on RH and go with another Distro. Feel free to start a flame war by asking which one :) Please don't. :-o RH 7.3 has been a rock for us. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Bit off topic : What happened to RedHat?
Rumor was they were not going to allow free downloading of binaries. They have launched http://fedora.redhat.com as an open source project. It has binaries under a different naming/numbering scheme. I expect they will shut down ftp.redhat.org to the public. So, they may be stopping/re-organizing public forums as well. Don't know anything more. Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Bit off topic : What happened to RedHat? Hi, does anyone know what happened to RedHat, its mailing list and forum? Haven't used it for a while and it seems they are no more. Also, I run JVM and TC4 on RH7.1 kernel 2.4.2 and thinking about RH9, but someone said that's the last version and there won't be a *stability* version coming out after that. Also, rumour has it RH8 is full of bugs ? Can someone share their experience please ? can anyone shed some light please. TIA:-) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bit off topic : What happened to RedHat?
Thanks. Since they are servers (Apache + TC4 + database setup) , most are custom installs without the bloat ware. In any case, BSD-Unix is *my* only other acceptable choice, so there's no flame war ;-) I've not come across anyone willing to stick his neck out on NT/W2000 $erver running Apache and TC4. Think I might just splurge and *buy* a copy of RH9. And now this is very strange indeed: I was asked to implement a WLAN, and after some research, I found that 3Com does *not support* Linux/Unix, I got it from the local-presales. On the other hand Linksys is very proud of the ease with which people can integrate their wireless routers with Linux... Is this your experience ? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bit off topic : What happened to RedHat?
Think I might just splurge and *buy* a copy of RH9. Well, there's no reason to buy it, unless you want to pay RedHat extra to support it for you (which they might do). You can still get the RH iso images online, right? And now this is very strange indeed: I was asked to implement a WLAN, and after some research, I found that 3Com does *not support* Linux/Unix, I got it from the local-presales. On the other hand Linksys is very proud of the ease with which people can integrate their wireless routers with Linux... Is this your experience ? I have never had a problem with 3Com or Linksys hardware. Excuse my ignorance, but what do you mean by 'WLAN'? IS this hardware different from standard 100baseT etnernet? -chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bit off topic : What happened to RedHat?
I have never had a problem with 3Com or Linksys hardware. Excuse my ignorance, but what do you mean by 'WLAN'? IS this hardware different from standard 100baseT etnernet? Wireless LAN IEEE802.11b/g operating at 2.4GHz spectrum and effective up to a distance of 100meters @ 54mbps, in this instance, it is the only solution. I'm not sure about attenuation. Think of total isolation and insulation. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bit off topic : What happened to RedHat?
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:54:01 +1100, you wrote: Hi, does anyone know what happened to RedHat, its mailing list and forum? They are all still available through the Red Hat website. You can also check out http://fedora.redhat.com for more info about the new distribution Red Hat is putting out. Haven't used it for a while and it seems they are no more. Also, I run JVM and TC4 on RH7.1 kernel 2.4.2 and thinking about RH9, but someone said that's the last version and there won't be a *stability* version coming out after that. Red Hat is splitting into 2 product lines: 1) Red Hat Enterprise Linux. Available on a subscription bases in both Workstation and Server versions. Errata updates available for 5 years after release. While Red Hat does not offer binary releases of the Enterprise Line for download they do go beyond the package license requirements and offer the source RPMS for download is you can if you desire simply compile them to create your own version. 2) Fedora Linux. This is the replacement for the old Red Hat Linux line, and Fedora Core 1 is equivalent to Red Hat 10 (the testing process for FC1 actually started out as the beta for RH10). There are 3 big changes with Fedora: a) the name. Purpose of this is to allow for 3rd parties to make cd's, etc and distribute them (trademark law prohibited 3rd party making of Red Hat cdroms and calling them Red Hat when selling them). b) they will be a lot more aggressive in adding in new software/releases on a more flexible schedule (ie. releases won't necessarily be 6 months apart anymore, they will be determined by developments in the Linux community and not on shifting boxes in the retail channel. This means that binary compatibility between releases is no longer guaranteed. c) given b) support for bug fixes is dramatically shortened. While Red Hat 7.* lasted for years support is now for 3 months after the following release of Fedora. So support for Fedora Core 1 will end 3 months after the release of Fedora Core 2. This makes Fedora unsuitable for most commercial uses. Also, rumour has it RH8 is full of bugs ? Can someone share their experience please ? Red Hat 8 errata ends at the end of December and so should not even be considered. The big change in Red Hat 8 that caused some minor problems for some people was the move to gcc 3.2 Red Hat 9 has errata support until end of March 2004 and is very similar to Red Hat 8 (major change was the addition of NPTL). - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bit off topic : What happened to RedHat?
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:51:27 -0500, you wrote: created the Fedora project (http://fedora.redhat.com/). Apparently, reviews of the Core 1, released just recently, where pretty weak. At least one review was picked apart on slashdot for many inaccuracies that led to an extremely flawed review. Fedora Core 1 is basically Red Hat 9 with a bump to gcc 3.3, Gnome 2.4, and exec-shield. In other words no real major changes if you are already used to Red Hat 8 or 9. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bit off topic : What happened to RedHat?
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:07:49 -0500, you wrote: There are 3 big changes with Fedora: Forgot, one more major change that hasn't yet show results but likely will be Fedora Core 2 or 3. The community is now actively participating in the development of Fedora Linux and work has begun to support it on non-IA32 platforms. Active work is being done on PowerPC and AMD64 versions of Fedora. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
