RE: IIS Tomcat. Why?
First, Tomcat can perform all of the basic web server functionality that IIS can - it can serve static content over any port you configure it to. IIS, however, has one thing going for it - its much faster than Tomcat at the static stuff (I know, its amazing that anything Microsoft has created can be fast, but it seems to be true). So, the question of wether or not to use IIS with Tomcat usually comes down to one of a few reasons: 1. Must support legacy ASP code, therefore must use IIS. 2. Corporate policy dictates that all web servers must be IIS, therfore must use IIS. 3. Corportate security policy dicates that all web traffic must be on port 80 and the machine to run the application already has IIS on port 80, therefore use IIS. 4. Application contains large amounts of static content (images, JavaScript includes, Style Sheets, etc) and performance is a concern, therefore use IIS. 5. If you reach here without the need for IIS, you should be alright with just Tomcat. Since this question comes up a lot, is there any interest in coming up with a guide for the questions one should answer in order to determine when they should or need to use Tomcat with another web server? If so, is there any support for adding it to the CVS docs? Randy -Original Message- From: Tiseo, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 10:40 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: IIS Tomcat. Why? Please forgive a complete newbie, but I joined these lists to start building my knowledge of servlets and enterprise apps a few days ago and it has already been very fun. I see a lot of people trying to configure IIS to work with Tomcat. Being stuck in a mainly MS-oriented shop, this is of some interest to me. My project involves a research department database custom application, and having already dealt with ASP, I'd like to try another nightmare. :) (At a minimum, but maybe it'll turn into a good wet dream!) So, I installed Tomcat on a W2K Server box. I see that it can work pretty much alone. Why do I want to work it through IIS? Is it to be able to use JSP and servlets through port 80? I guess I'm just missing something fundamental here, but can't put my finger on it. TIA. Paul Tiseo, Intermediate Systems Programmer Birdsall 122, Mayo Clinic Jacksonville 4500 San Pablo Rd, FL, 32224 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- (904) 953-8254 / 953-7134 (fax) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IIS Tomcat. Why?
Let me ask you another question. Why would you use M$ products at all? Original Message On 2/14/01, 7:39:38 AM, "Tiseo, Paul" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding IIS Tomcat. Why?: Please forgive a complete newbie, but I joined these lists to start building my knowledge of servlets and enterprise apps a few days ago and it has already been very fun. I see a lot of people trying to configure IIS to work with Tomcat. Being stuck in a mainly MS-oriented shop, this is of some interest to me. My project involves a research department database custom application, and having already dealt with ASP, I'd like to try another nightmare. :) (At a minimum, but maybe it'll turn into a good wet dream!) So, I installed Tomcat on a W2K Server box. I see that it can work pretty much alone. Why do I want to work it through IIS? Is it to be able to use JSP and servlets through port 80? I guess I'm just missing something fundamental here, but can't put my finger on it. TIA. Paul Tiseo, Intermediate Systems Programmer Birdsall 122, Mayo Clinic Jacksonville 4500 San Pablo Rd, FL, 32224 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- (904) 953-8254 / 953-7134 (fax) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This communication may contain confidential or other privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you have received this communication in error, please do not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the information. Also, please indicate to the sender that you have received this email in error, and delete the copy you received. Any communication that does not relate to official Columbia business is that of the sender and is neither given nor endorsed by Columbia. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: IIS Tomcat. Why?
Just because someone is using an MS product doesn't mean they choose it. In my experience its still very difficult to sell open source products to management and accountants, not because of a lack of quality but because of the generally poor quality of support availalble for those products. Although working with them does generally present a challange. Some people like challenges. Also, today's business environment is not much different from that of the 70s and 80s. Then it was "You will never get fired for buying IBM" Today you can replace IBM with Microsoft. Its sad, but true. The marketing of Microsoft is able to overcome lots of the technological achievements of their competitition. That's just my perspective. Randy -Original Message- From: John Golubenko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 11:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IIS Tomcat. Why? Let me ask you another question. Why would you use M$ products at all? Original Message On 2/14/01, 7:39:38 AM, "Tiseo, Paul" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding IIS Tomcat. Why?: Please forgive a complete newbie, but I joined these lists to start building my knowledge of servlets and enterprise apps a few days ago and it has already been very fun. I see a lot of people trying to configure IIS to work with Tomcat. Being stuck in a mainly MS-oriented shop, this is of some interest to me. My project involves a research department database custom application, and having already dealt with ASP, I'd like to try another nightmare. :) (At a minimum, but maybe it'll turn into a good wet dream!) So, I installed Tomcat on a W2K Server box. I see that it can work pretty much alone. Why do I want to work it through IIS? Is it to be able to use JSP and servlets through port 80? I guess I'm just missing something fundamental here, but can't put my finger on it. TIA. Paul Tiseo, Intermediate Systems Programmer Birdsall 122, Mayo Clinic Jacksonville 4500 San Pablo Rd, FL, 32224 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- (904) 953-8254 / 953-7134 (fax) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This communication may contain confidential or other privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you have received this communication in error, please do not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the information. Also, please indicate to the sender that you have received this email in error, and delete the copy you received. Any communication that does not relate to official Columbia business is that of the sender and is neither given nor endorsed by Columbia. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IIS Tomcat. Why?
Any then for a REAL answer... If you had a box that had existing IIS applications running and you wanted to add servlets (and jsp if you really want a new nightmare). You could tie the two together.. Or if you have a high-access site and you need the performance for static pages and HTML you may want to tie in with IIS, Tomcat doesn't claim to compare to IIS or apache as a static web server for perfomance... And it definately doesn't compare with Apache in terms of configuration flexibility. If you are just doing relatively low access stuff that is mostly servlets and you have no use for asp or other IIS applications then by all means skip trying to get tomcat to work with IIS.. Simply put... Tomcat contains only a basic web front end for the servlet container, if you are dont' care about anything but servlets (and jsp) then you don't need IIS.. John Golubenko wrote: Let me ask you another question. Why would you use M$ products at all? Original Message On 2/14/01, 7:39:38 AM, "Tiseo, Paul" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding IIS Tomcat. Why?: Please forgive a complete newbie, but I joined these lists to start building my knowledge of servlets and enterprise apps a few days ago and it has already been very fun. I see a lot of people trying to configure IIS to work with Tomcat. Being stuck in a mainly MS-oriented shop, this is of some interest to me. My project involves a research department database custom application, and having already dealt with ASP, I'd like to try another nightmare. :) (At a minimum, but maybe it'll turn into a good wet dream!) So, I installed Tomcat on a W2K Server box. I see that it can work pretty much alone. Why do I want to work it through IIS? Is it to be able to use JSP and servlets through port 80? I guess I'm just missing something fundamental here, but can't put my finger on it. TIA. Paul Tiseo, Intermediate Systems Programmer Birdsall 122, Mayo Clinic Jacksonville 4500 San Pablo Rd, FL, 32224 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- (904) 953-8254 / 953-7134 (fax) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This communication may contain confidential or other privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you have received this communication in error, please do not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the information. Also, please indicate to the sender that you have received this email in error, and delete the copy you received. Any communication that does not relate to official Columbia business is that of the sender and is neither given nor endorsed by Columbia. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IIS Tomcat. Why?
you wanted to add servlets (and jsp if you really want a new nightmare). I constantly see folks on this list referring to JSP as 'a new nightmare'. I realize it's very easy to program 'poor' JSP, but what replacements are there to handle presentation logic as easily (and separately) as JSP? I hesitate to admit it but I come most recently from several Cold Fusion projects,THAT is a nightmare language if ever one were written. It's like JSP but without the power of Java on the backend, talk about nightmare. I readily admit I've not thoroughly investigated some of the Jakarta templating engines, but would someone do a Jakarta newbie a favor and paste a link to the 'better' option over use of JSP for template-based presentation? TIA, - jc - James Diggans Phone:301.987.1756 Gene Logic, Inc. FAX: 301.987.1701 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 301.908.2477 - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: IIS Tomcat. Why?
Have a look at the "Getting Started" bit in the Tomcat- A minimalistic User's Guide on http://jakarta.apache.org. The main point seems to be regarding scalability and stability - Tomcat on its own isn't beefy enough. Bear in mind this is the opinion of an almost complete newbie to Tomcat, so I could be wrong. -- Julie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
