Re: Mailing List Load.... Forum???
On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Hanks Mei wrote: Hi, Well ofcourse I know that the mailing list is heavily loaded, but it is going beyond my control... Can we have forum kind of mechanism instead, so that the users can log in to the net wherein queries/replies can be placed. This is my request. I feel that this approach will help the tomcat users a lot. Any other solutions are welcome... It is tooo... much for my mail client and net connection to handle, so I am signing off. Will look forward for the tomcat forum... ;-) I think there are a number of reasons why this won't be turned into a web forum, including some historical ones. However, with web archives of mailing lists, including this one, there essentially is a web forum version already (especially since this list doesn't require you to be a subscribe in order to post, so you can continue to post questions via email). Here are a couple of pages that talk about jakarta-related mailing lists and archives: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html I've found http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/ to be a good archive. Milt Epstein Research Programmer Systems and Technology Services (STS) Campus Information Technologies and Educational Services (CITES) University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mailing List Load.... Forum???
I think this list would make an excellent usenet group ( comp.lang.java.server-side ? ). I read the documents that you need to read before writing a usenet new newsgroup proposal. Those docs said it was VITAL to have good justifications for your proposed group in your proposal. According to the docs about the only universally accepted justification for a new usenetgroup would be a mailing list under HEAVY, HEAVY traffic. Thats this list. If the owners of the list are interested in working with me I'll pitch in some work in creating a proposal for a comp.lang.java-server-side Steve -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mailing List Load.... Forum???
How about just changing subscription options to digest mode instead? Easily done, and can be done on an individual basis. If this group were to switch to Usenet, I'd have to unsubscribe. In my opinion, the only way a Usenet group makes any sense is if it's moderated. John Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Steve Russell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:12 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Mailing List Load Forum??? I think this list would make an excellent usenet group ( comp.lang.java.server-side ? ). I read the documents that you need to read before writing a usenet new newsgroup proposal. Those docs said it was VITAL to have good justifications for your proposed group in your proposal. According to the docs about the only universally accepted justification for a new usenetgroup would be a mailing list under HEAVY, HEAVY traffic. Thats this list. If the owners of the list are interested in working with me I'll pitch in some work in creating a proposal for a comp.lang.java-server-side Steve -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mailing List Load.... Forum???
On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Steve Russell wrote: I think this list would make an excellent usenet group ( comp.lang.java.server-side ? ). I read the documents that you need to read before writing a usenet new newsgroup proposal. Those docs said it was VITAL to have good justifications for your proposed group in your proposal. According to the docs about the only universally accepted justification for a new usenetgroup would be a mailing list under HEAVY, HEAVY traffic. Thats this list. If the owners of the list are interested in working with me I'll pitch in some work in creating a proposal for a comp.lang.java-server-side There was a similar proposal done some time back. It failed -- barely -- not that there were a lot of dissenting votes, just not enough assenting ones. I don't recall how long ago that vote was, but I think it's been longer than the six month moratorium before you can retry it. If you're really interested in this, you should contact the person that tried it back then, and see what his plans are, whether he plans to retry with all the wisdom gained from that experience. If so, maybe you can join efforts. Even if he isn't planning on doing that, it'd probably be very useful to talk to him. You can search at groups.google.com to find out all about it. Milt Epstein Research Programmer Systems and Technology Services (STS) Campus Information Technologies and Educational Services (CITES) University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mailing List Load.... Forum???
On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Milt Epstein wrote: On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Steve Russell wrote: I think this list would make an excellent usenet group ( comp.lang.java.server-side ? ). I read the documents that you need to read before writing a usenet new newsgroup proposal. Those docs said it was VITAL to have good justifications for your proposed group in your proposal. According to the docs about the only universally accepted justification for a new usenetgroup would be a mailing list under HEAVY, HEAVY traffic. Thats this list. If the owners of the list are interested in working with me I'll pitch in some work in creating a proposal for a comp.lang.java-server-side There was a similar proposal done some time back. It failed -- barely -- not that there were a lot of dissenting votes, just not enough assenting ones. I don't recall how long ago that vote was, but I think it's been longer than the six month moratorium before you can retry it. If you're really interested in this, you should contact the person that tried it back then, and see what his plans are, whether he plans to retry with all the wisdom gained from that experience. If so, maybe you can join efforts. Even if he isn't planning on doing that, it'd probably be very useful to talk to him. You can search at groups.google.com to find out all about it. Oh, also, any such newsgroup would be totally separate from this mailing list, I don't think it's going away. Milt Epstein Research Programmer Systems and Technology Services (STS) Campus Information Technologies and Educational Services (CITES) University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mailing List Load.... Forum???
On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Steve Russell wrote: Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:11:45 -0400 From: Steve Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Mailing List Load Forum??? I think this list would make an excellent usenet group ( comp.lang.java.server-side ? ). A couple of big issues to overcome: * Newsgroups are not accessible to large numbers of people behind firewalls that prevent NNTP access. They are therefore not a good approach as the only solution. * Setting up and administering a mailing list mirrored two-way to newsgroups is not a trivial effort -- volunteers to do the grunt work would be required. Craig -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mailing List Load.... Forum???
Digest mode, I say! Digest mode!! :) John Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:52 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Mailing List Load Forum??? On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Steve Russell wrote: Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:11:45 -0400 From: Steve Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Mailing List Load Forum??? I think this list would make an excellent usenet group ( comp.lang.java.server-side ? ). A couple of big issues to overcome: * Newsgroups are not accessible to large numbers of people behind firewalls that prevent NNTP access. They are therefore not a good approach as the only solution. * Setting up and administering a mailing list mirrored two-way to newsgroups is not a trivial effort -- volunteers to do the grunt work would be required. Craig -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mailing List Load.... Forum???
Hello there, Milton, this is Steve Burrus again, and since you didn't see fit to respond back to my email message to u last nite, I thought that I would give you another electronic shout right now! Listen, I think that the proposal to create a comp.lang.java-server-side new newsgroup is A WONDERFUL IDEA!!!I simply cannot stress/emphasize this enough, as far as I am personally concerned!!! I mean, I have looked around ALL of the available newsgroups for some time now and found nothing at all in the way of a newsgroup that even remotely dealt with the server-side of Java Programming!! And, I will admit just to u that I am now actively studying to create a career for myself of being some kind of a server-side Java programmer! I was wondering why the hell is there not already a server-side Java Programming newsgroup floating around cyberspace?? Well Milt, will you please try to do a better job of responding back to me than the poor job that you apparently did last nite? Yours Truly, Steve R. Burrus --- Milt Epstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Steve Russell wrote: I think this list would make an excellent usenet group ( comp.lang.java.server-side ? ). I read the documents that you need to read before writing a usenet new newsgroup proposal. Those docs said it was VITAL to have good justifications for your proposed group in your proposal. According to the docs about the only universally accepted justification for a new usenetgroup would be a mailing list under HEAVY, HEAVY traffic. Thats this list. If the owners of the list are interested in working with me I'll pitch in some work in creating a proposal for a comp.lang.java-server-side There was a similar proposal done some time back. It failed -- barely -- not that there were a lot of dissenting votes, just not enough assenting ones. I don't recall how long ago that vote was, but I think it's been longer than the six month moratorium before you can retry it. If you're really interested in this, you should contact the person that tried it back then, and see what his plans are, whether he plans to retry with all the wisdom gained from that experience. If so, maybe you can join efforts. Even if he isn't planning on doing that, it'd probably be very useful to talk to him. You can search at groups.google.com to find out all about it. Milt Epstein Research Programmer Systems and Technology Services (STS) Campus Information Technologies and Educational Services (CITES) University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mailing List Load.... Forum???
If the owners of the list are interested in working with me I'll pitch in some work in creating a proposal for a comp.lang.java-server-side Thought this list was specifically for Tomcat and related issues - not the general java-server-side. If folks want to go and create a comp.lang.java-server-side independent of this list, I am all for that. das p.s. Once mod_jk and multipart messages are filtered out, the load is not too bad... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mailing List Load.... Forum???
Hey STEVE R BURRUS! (And anyone else that wants to adopt an I EXPECT you to help me! attitude.) It's really bad netiquette to say things like since you didn't see fit to respond to my email message to u last nite, and more especially will you please try to do a better job of responding back to me than the poor job that you apparently did last nite? Something more along the lines of My message may have gotten lost in the mix last night, so I'm resending in case someone can help me out. and I don't know if my previous reply got sent correctly, so here's a second try. are much more likely to get the desired response. Be a little courteous, a little humble, and little grateful, and you'd be amazed at how much support you'll get in return. My two cents. Jay -Original Message- From: STEVE R BURRUS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:03 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Mailing List Load Forum??? Hello there, Milton, this is Steve Burrus again, and since you didn't see fit to respond back to my email message to u last nite, I thought that I would give you another electronic shout right now! Listen, I think that the proposal to create a comp.lang.java-server-side new newsgroup is A WONDERFUL IDEA!!!I simply cannot stress/emphasize this enough, as far as I am personally concerned!!! I mean, I have looked around ALL of the available newsgroups for some time now and found nothing at all in the way of a newsgroup that even remotely dealt with the server-side of Java Programming!! And, I will admit just to u that I am now actively studying to create a career for myself of being some kind of a server-side Java programmer! I was wondering why the hell is there not already a server-side Java Programming newsgroup floating around cyberspace?? Well Milt, will you please try to do a better job of responding back to me than the poor job that you apparently did last nite? Yours Truly, Steve R. Burrus --- Milt Epstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Steve Russell wrote: I think this list would make an excellent usenet group ( comp.lang.java.server-side ? ). I read the documents that you need to read before writing a usenet new newsgroup proposal. Those docs said it was VITAL to have good justifications for your proposed group in your proposal. According to the docs about the only universally accepted justification for a new usenetgroup would be a mailing list under HEAVY, HEAVY traffic. Thats this list. If the owners of the list are interested in working with me I'll pitch in some work in creating a proposal for a comp.lang.java-server-side There was a similar proposal done some time back. It failed -- barely -- not that there were a lot of dissenting votes, just not enough assenting ones. I don't recall how long ago that vote was, but I think it's been longer than the six month moratorium before you can retry it. If you're really interested in this, you should contact the person that tried it back then, and see what his plans are, whether he plans to retry with all the wisdom gained from that experience. If so, maybe you can join efforts. Even if he isn't planning on doing that, it'd probably be very useful to talk to him. You can search at groups.google.com to find out all about it. Milt Epstein Research Programmer Systems and Technology Services (STS) Campus Information Technologies and Educational Services (CITES) University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mailing List Load.... Forum???
Milt, I'm probably coming into this a bit late in the game (and a bit uninvolved at that).. but I wound up at http://nagoya.apache.org/jive/index.jsp at one point in time, and that to me looks very much like a Tomcat forum. What am I missing? Liam Morley Milt Epstein wrote: On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Hanks Mei wrote: Hi, Well ofcourse I know that the mailing list is heavily loaded, but it is going beyond my control... Can we have forum kind of mechanism instead, so that the users can log in to the net wherein queries/replies can be placed. This is my request. I feel that this approach will help the tomcat users a lot. Any other solutions are welcome... It is tooo... much for my mail client and net connection to handle, so I am signing off. Will look forward for the tomcat forum... ;-) I think there are a number of reasons why this won't be turned into a web forum, including some historical ones. However, with web archives of mailing lists, including this one, there essentially is a web forum version already (especially since this list doesn't require you to be a subscribe in order to post, so you can continue to post questions via email). Here are a couple of pages that talk about jakarta-related mailing lists and archives: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html I've found http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/ to be a good archive. Milt Epstein Research Programmer Systems and Technology Services (STS) Campus Information Technologies and Educational Services (CITES) University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mailing List Load.... Forum???
Don't forget www.mail-archive.com. They have a great search tool for this list (and many many others): http://www.mail-archive.com/tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org/ -August --- Liam Morley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Milt, I'm probably coming into this a bit late in the game (and a bit uninvolved at that).. but I wound up at http://nagoya.apache.org/jive/index.jsp at one point in time, and that to me looks very much like a Tomcat forum. What am I missing? Liam Morley Milt Epstein wrote: On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Hanks Mei wrote: Hi, Well ofcourse I know that the mailing list is heavily loaded, but it is going beyond my control... Can we have forum kind of mechanism instead, so that the users can log in to the net wherein queries/replies can be placed. This is my request. I feel that this approach will help the tomcat users a lot. Any other solutions are welcome... It is tooo... much for my mail client and net connection to handle, so I am signing off. Will look forward for the tomcat forum... ;-) I think there are a number of reasons why this won't be turned into a web forum, including some historical ones. However, with web archives of mailing lists, including this one, there essentially is a web forum version already (especially since this list doesn't require you to be a subscribe in order to post, so you can continue to post questions via email). Here are a couple of pages that talk about jakarta-related mailing lists and archives: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html I've found http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/ to be a good archive. Milt Epstein Research Programmer Systems and Technology Services (STS) Campus Information Technologies and Educational Services (CITES) University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mailing List Load.... Forum???
On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Liam Morley wrote: Milt, I'm probably coming into this a bit late in the game (and a bit uninvolved at that).. but I wound up at http://nagoya.apache.org/jive/index.jsp at one point in time, and that to me looks very much like a Tomcat forum. What am I missing? I didn't say there weren't web forums for Tomcat and/or servlet stuff. I said (or I was trying to say :-) that this list won't be turned into a web forum, and I was offering a suggestion for how someone could read/participate in/use this list as a web forum. It's one thing to find just any Tomcat-related web forum, it's another thing to want this list to be turned into a web forum. Milt Epstein wrote: On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Hanks Mei wrote: Well ofcourse I know that the mailing list is heavily loaded, but it is going beyond my control... Can we have forum kind of mechanism instead, so that the users can log in to the net wherein queries/replies can be placed. This is my request. I feel that this approach will help the tomcat users a lot. Any other solutions are welcome... It is tooo... much for my mail client and net connection to handle, so I am signing off. Will look forward for the tomcat forum... ;-) I think there are a number of reasons why this won't be turned into a web forum, including some historical ones. However, with web archives of mailing lists, including this one, there essentially is a web forum version already (especially since this list doesn't require you to be a subscribe in order to post, so you can continue to post questions via email). Here are a couple of pages that talk about jakarta-related mailing lists and archives: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html I've found http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/ to be a good archive. Milt Epstein Research Programmer Systems and Technology Services (STS) Campus Information Technologies and Educational Services (CITES) University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
