RE: Tomcat on windows platform?

[Turner, John]

Don't forget the licensing and mandatory upgrade costs and fees.

John

> -Original Message-
> From: Robert L Sowders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 6:57 PM
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> Subject: Re: Tomcat on windows platform?
> 
> 
> Take it from someone who knows,
> 
> First off, for all those Windows faithful flamers out there, 
> don't get me 
> wrong, I do both at my site.  Both OS's have their place.  
> But I spend 
> more time and money on the Windows segments which actually 
> comprise less 
> of my architecture than my Solaris, Linux, FreeBSD machines.
> 
> I don't want to start the OS wars again, or a flame contest.  
> Most Unix 
> shops will just sit back and smile when someone says their 
> thinking of 
> going to windows to solve some problem.
> 
> But,,, From personal experience.
> 
> If you go the Microsoft route you will end up spending the 
> same if not 
> more on administration fees.  Toss in the requirement to 
> purchase beefier 
> hardware to get the same performance, not to mention the 
> creep that comes 
> with anything Microsoft.  By creep I mean, you start with one 
> server, then 
> someone gets the bright idea to do .NET or install AD, or horror of 
> horrors, do both, so everyone can work "seamlessly" on the new IIS 
> webserver.  Which BTW has now turned into a farm.  Then you'll end up 
> doing Microsoft exchange for email.  Ahhh the nightmares of 
> security too. 
> That by itself is almost a full time job.  IIS probably has the worst 
> reputation and track record of any internet server ever made.  You'll 
> spend lots of time running around fighting email worms and 
> system upgrades 
> to cover newly discovered security holes, only to have your 
> entire site 
> brought down by some script kiddie in Sweden, if not 
> completely erased by 
> some worm.
> 

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Re: Tomcat on windows platform?

[Robert L Sowders]

Take it from someone who knows,

First off, for all those Windows faithful flamers out there, don't get me 
wrong, I do both at my site.  Both OS's have their place.  But I spend 
more time and money on the Windows segments which actually comprise less 
of my architecture than my Solaris, Linux, FreeBSD machines.

I don't want to start the OS wars again, or a flame contest.  Most Unix 
shops will just sit back and smile when someone says their thinking of 
going to windows to solve some problem.

But,,, From personal experience.

If you go the Microsoft route you will end up spending the same if not 
more on administration fees.  Toss in the requirement to purchase beefier 
hardware to get the same performance, not to mention the creep that comes 
with anything Microsoft.  By creep I mean, you start with one server, then 
someone gets the bright idea to do .NET or install AD, or horror of 
horrors, do both, so everyone can work "seamlessly" on the new IIS 
webserver.  Which BTW has now turned into a farm.  Then you'll end up 
doing Microsoft exchange for email.  Ahhh the nightmares of security too. 
That by itself is almost a full time job.  IIS probably has the worst 
reputation and track record of any internet server ever made.  You'll 
spend lots of time running around fighting email worms and system upgrades 
to cover newly discovered security holes, only to have your entire site 
brought down by some script kiddie in Sweden, if not completely erased by 
some worm.

Two years after you've started you'll look back at Linux and wish you'd 
never left.

just my two $.02

rls






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01/15/2003 09:15 AM
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Hi,

We are currently running a web server using apache + tomcat on a linux
machine, but we want to move the web server to a windows machine to avoid
linux system administration. Could anybody share some ideas on how well
apache+tomcat work on windows platform, and how is the security compared
with Linux machine? If apache+tomcat doesn't work well, is there an
alternative solution to run the JSP and Servlet on windows without 
degrading
the performance?

Any help will be greatly appreciated!
 
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Re: Tomcat on windows platform?

[Jason Pyeron]

oh yea, forgot about the second bug.

iis security cannot be applied to files served by iis_redirector

see post under "iis basic authentication"

On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, Jason Pyeron wrote:


no the priorities does not solve this problem.

I belive the redirector claims a request if it finds '.jsp' in a file 
name not as a suffix.

and for files in the _vti_cnf folder, it follows the rules to the tee.

http:/dir/StaffRosters.jsp
http:/dir/_vti_cnf/StaffRosters.jsp
http:/dir/_overlay/staffrosters_edit.jsp.shtml_nav_pyerotechnicsdevelopment-ca15010_bnr.gif


On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, David Boyer wrote:

Does it help to change the priority of the ISAPI filters for each?





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Re: Tomcat on windows platform?

[Jason Pyeron]

no the priorities does not solve this problem.

I belive the redirector claims a request if it finds '.jsp' in a file 
name not as a suffix.

and for files in the _vti_cnf folder, it follows the rules to the tee.

http:/dir/StaffRosters.jsp
http:/dir/_vti_cnf/StaffRosters.jsp
http:/dir/_overlay/staffrosters_edit.jsp.shtml_nav_pyerotechnicsdevelopment-ca15010_bnr.gif


On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, David Boyer wrote:

Does it help to change the priority of the ISAPI filters for each?



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Re: Tomcat on windows platform?

[David Boyer]

Does it help to change the priority of the ISAPI filters for each?

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/15/03 11:25AM >>>

When on windows, do like windows I say.

For windows (nt4/2k) machines we use IIS-Tomcat 4.12

it works like a charm, except one issue found.

that is the redirector (logic) sends frontpage stuff to tomcat as well
i.e. for the page:

http:/dir/StaffRosters.jsp

tomcat also gets the requests, among many others

http:/dir/_vti_cnf/StaffRosters.jsp
http:/dir/_overlay/staffrosters_edit.jsp.shtml_nav_pyerotechnicsdevelopment-ca15010_bnr.gif

-jason

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On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, Yaogeng Cheng wrote:

Hi,

We are currently running a web server using apache + tomcat on a linux
machine, but we want to move the web server to a windows machine to
avoid
linux system administration. Could anybody share some ideas on how
well
apache+tomcat work on windows platform, and how is the security
compared
with Linux machine? If apache+tomcat doesn't work well, is there an
alternative solution to run the JSP and Servlet on windows without
degrading
the performance?

Any help will be greatly appreciated!

Yaogeng

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Re: Tomcat on windows platform?

[Jason Pyeron]

When on windows, do like windows I say.

For windows (nt4/2k) machines we use IIS-Tomcat 4.12

it works like a charm, except one issue found.

that is the redirector (logic) sends frontpage stuff to tomcat as well
i.e. for the page:

 http:/dir/StaffRosters.jsp

tomcat also gets the requests, among many others

 http:/dir/_vti_cnf/StaffRosters.jsp
 
http:/dir/_overlay/staffrosters_edit.jsp.shtml_nav_pyerotechnicsdevelopment-ca15010_bnr.gif

-jason

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On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, Yaogeng Cheng wrote:

Hi,

We are currently running a web server using apache + tomcat on a linux
machine, but we want to move the web server to a windows machine to avoid
linux system administration. Could anybody share some ideas on how well
apache+tomcat work on windows platform, and how is the security compared
with Linux machine? If apache+tomcat doesn't work well, is there an
alternative solution to run the JSP and Servlet on windows without degrading
the performance?

Any help will be greatly appreciated!
 
Yaogeng

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Tomcat on windows platform?

[Yaogeng Cheng]

Hi,

We are currently running a web server using apache + tomcat on a linux
machine, but we want to move the web server to a windows machine to avoid
linux system administration. Could anybody share some ideas on how well
apache+tomcat work on windows platform, and how is the security compared
with Linux machine? If apache+tomcat doesn't work well, is there an
alternative solution to run the JSP and Servlet on windows without degrading
the performance?

Any help will be greatly appreciated!
 
Yaogeng

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