Re: Topband: and KDKA

2013-09-11 Thread Cliff K3LL
De Grant Saviers, KZ1W...
Pieces of the 1939 tower were sold to benefit local charities.

Yes, I have one of those.  They were sold to benefit Children's Hospital of
Pittsburgh.  Pictures and background can be found at:

http://antiqueradio.org/kdka01.htm

73,

Cliff K3LL/6



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Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 3:27 PM
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Subject: Re: Topband: and KDKA

I haven't heard the farmer story, but in the 60's lived 1000yds from the
KDKA radio tower in Allison Park, PA.  That area is rough up and down small
hills, not much farming.  KDKA/Westinghouse did experiment with 400kw short
wave at the old Saxonburg site.  We didn't have any RF problems, but I was
QRT at that home.

My uncle George Saviers(SK), last call W2NPR, was an RF engineer at KDKA in
the 1930's.  KDKA moved the transmitter to a site in Saxonburg and began
construction of a 718' Franklin antenna, center fed, 135deg per side.  That
tower collapsed under construction due to the failure of a guy end potting
(molten zinc poured around flayed out wires into a reverse taper cavity
according to George). This tower was rebuilt by American Bridge on the same
site, but poor coverage caused them to dismantle it and move it in 1939 to
Allison Park, north of Pittsburgh, east of Rt 8.  In 1994, after 55 years
service, the tower was replaced with a new 718' radiator fed as 90deg bottom
and 180deg top.  Pieces of the 1939 tower were sold to benefit local
charities.

I collect KDKA radio stuff, so let me know if you have some looking for a
new home.  My dad was also a briefly KDKA employee on the studio side pre
WWII and the two brothers roomed with Dave Garroway who started his
broadcasting career at KDKA.

Grant Saviers KZ1W


On 9/10/2013 12:32 PM, Herb Schoenbohm wrote:
 There is an old story about KDKA's antenna system that was told to be 
 a long time ago. During WWII KDKA along with a frew other stations was 
 allowed to operate with 250,000 watts to the antenna system. A farmer 
 across from the KDKA's arrays was plagued by RF on everything 
 including hearing the station in his kitchen sink.  A friend of his 
 was a ham and came up with the idea of tuning all the lamps in the 
 barn and house into a tuned circuit to resonate and provide a means of 
 lighting for free.  It work so well that the farmer would brag about 
 it at a local tavern and was overheard by one of KDKA's engineers who 
 told the management who called the FCC Field offices.  So the dispute 
 insued that the farmer claimed the radiation  was on his land without 
 permission and he had rights to it no matter what.  The whole matter 
 ended up in the DC Circuit with KDKA claiming it could not comply with 
 its required radiation pattern  because the farmer was distorting 
 their pattern.  The court came up with an unusual conclusion that 
 there was merit to both arguments.  But since the station was required 
 to have a precise RF level at a measuring point the court offer the 
 farmer the option of leaving his lights on all the time or completely 
 turning the lights off permanently. Since the lights were constantly 
 flickering with modulation he chose the later solution if KDKA agreed 
 to pay for his lawyer.

 I would be interested if anyone else has heard this story before and 
 if there is any veracity to it.

 Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ










 On 9/10/2013 1:34 PM, Bill Cromwell wrote:
 Hi Ed,

 The engineer at WTIC responded. That station does not have a Franklin 
 antenna but has series fed halfwave during the day and switches in 
 a second one at night, phased to change the radiation pattern. He 
 also told me that their 'sister station', KDKA in Pittsburgh, does 
 use a Franklin antenna. Some members near Pittsburgh may want to roll 
 by for a peek at it.

 73,

 Bill  KU8H


 On 09/06/2013 04:13 PM, Edwin Karl wrote:
 There are several interesting articles if you Google Franklin Antenna
 they are mechanically BIG and require feeding ingenuity (hams are 
 known for this feature ...) but are stacked verticals, note- phase 
 the top element to avoid cancellation.

 If memory serves me right WTIC in Hartford phased two of these 
 puppies, but it's been a long time ...


 73!

 ed k0kl
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Topband: The Quest to save AM radio

2013-09-11 Thread Ken Claerbout
Exactly right. Isn't small government wonderful? That's really not the 
problem. Many federal agencies, including the one I work at, have plenty of 
money and personnel. It's more a function of priorities and who sets them.

Years ago when I was in a Master's program, one of the courses I took was 
Telecommunications Law taught at the George Mason University School of Law. It 
was taught by an adjunct professor who was an attorney at the FCC. I was the 
only engineer in the class. It was a fantastic class, the best one of the 
program! One of the things we looked at was expanding broadband access in the 
US. BPL was prominent at the time. I remember trying to make the case about its 
interference potential to existing services and I was basically told I hear 
you, your right, but you are barking up the wrong tree. It was clear many of 
the decisions were being made by policy types and not by people that understood 
its implications, especially the technical part. If BPL was going to be 
defeated, it would happen because it wasn't financially viable, not on 
technical merits, because it harmed existing services. Who could be against 
greater broadband access for the public? Are other services like guys with t
 heir ham radios and AM broadcast stations (who listens to AM) going to trump 
that objective?

I'm more dubious about greater enforcement than some it appears. It's an uphill 
battle on many fronts. Aren't there powerline RFI cases that have gone 
unresolved for years because the FCC won't step in or won't enforce their own 
standards? Besides, how long have guys like K1MAN and KZ8O been on double 
secret probation, and nothing can be done about them? 

Ken K4ZW
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Re: Topband: Stacked verticals - followup

2013-09-11 Thread David Raymond
We have a Franklin antenna at WHO, 1040 KHZ, here in Des Moines.  I've been 
told it is one of the few remaining in the country.


73. . . Dave
W0FLS
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To: topband@contesting.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: Stacked verticals - followup



Hi Ed,

The engineer at WTIC responded. That station does not have a Franklin 
antenna but has series fed halfwave during the day and switches in a 
second one at night, phased to change the radiation pattern. He also told 
me that their 'sister station', KDKA in Pittsburgh, does use a Franklin 
antenna. Some members near Pittsburgh may want to roll by for a peek at 
it.


73,

Bill  KU8H


On 09/06/2013 04:13 PM, Edwin Karl wrote:

There are several interesting articles if you Google Franklin Antenna
they are mechanically BIG and require feeding ingenuity (hams are known
for this feature ...) but are stacked verticals, note- phase the top 
element

to avoid cancellation.

If memory serves me right WTIC in Hartford phased two of these puppies,
but it's been a long time ...


73!

ed k0kl
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