Re: Topband: Rig Question
Much of the discussion of todays transceivers is like comparing apples to apples. My situation did not require a big box status symbol with over a hundred button features. My requirements were standard communications interface ala serial, USB or Ethernet control with a decent receiver. Sub menus via computer screen. My ten year remote project started before K3 days and most manufacturers could not satisfy the above requirement without silly interface boxes. Many of those who had the specific features had lack luster firmware and software control. My interest in remote operation due to big city life and restrictions fueled my multiscreen computer control and I ended up with a Kenwood TS480 with the narrow 270 Hz cw filter option. DXing is a casual operation for me and separate simple SDR with loop is used for basic split frequency operation. Proper adjustment of the attenuator, RF gain and ALC is the key to this radio specific performance. Dual receive diversity is through a simple audio mixer and really is seldom used. My option is not for everyone. However, with the typical longtime ham station for seasoned low bander or contester in the price range of a couple of Harleys or nice BMW it is not out of sight. The bottom line. A simple transceiver with quiet location and good antenna works for me. If you can't hear them you can't work them no matter what you spend. 73, Bob W7RH http://w7rh.net -- W7RH DM35OS Some people regard private enterprise as a predatory tiger to be shot. Others look on it as a cow they can milk. Not enough people see it as a healthy horse, pulling a sturdy wagon. Winston Churchill _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Rig Question
What I dont understand is even the need for some of these fancy rigs. DXers and contesters on any band 160-10M havent really progressed much in close to 30 years based upon the rig alone. PC control has been around a long time and a simple external box can shape the TX/RX audio. Key clix, phase noise, ALC spikes, reliability problems, constant updates/fixes, and more are still with us...no progress there. Overdriven SSB rigs and amps by those with a simian IQ are more prevalent than ever IMO. Is a built in panadaptor really needed? I have a SM-230 and SM-240 that are rarely of any use on HF and especially 160. I use the SM-230 regularly on 6M CW DX due to the random nature of DX band openings and fast moving E clouds. Advancements have been in receive antennas and control systems. Ive never found a second receiver built in to be any help. OTOH I do have a seperate rig, amp, split and fader controllable headphones, and antenna selection switching matrix that allows me to be on 2 bands at once chasing DXpeditions even on different modes. This is with mid to late 80's gear. Advancements in automatic amp and antenna/rotator control plus logging and spotting networks are, again IMO, a primary reason for higher contest scores and the xcvr used has little to do with it. With the huge acceptance of the TS-590 by all levels of ops it is a big statement as to why spend $$$ for very little improvement.those who always want the biggest and best toys arent included. Buy 2 and a second amp (lots of good used ones in the $1000-1500 range) and spend less money than just a xcvr in some cases. Many hams Ive talked to are wasting 1-3dB in feedline loss by the time they get to 10M. VSWR loss is additive to the flat loss making some antennas even more lossy over a full band. CATV hardline; and cheap 50 Ohm versions with connectors are free to even less than scrap copper these days as the 2 way and paging businesses have tanked. In the automotive world the Corvette and Mustangs (and toss the new SRT/Dodge Viper into the mix) are giving even the highest priced Euro cars fits on the tracks and dragstrips at a fraction of the costthere is American technology at its best where it is actually measurable one on one unlike with ham rigs which are more a personal and emotional choice, and perceived rather than real useful performance. Carl KM1H - Original Message - From: W7RH midnigh...@cox.net To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 9:42 AM Subject: Re: Topband: Rig Question Much of the discussion of todays transceivers is like comparing apples to apples. My situation did not require a big box status symbol with over a hundred button features. My requirements were standard communications interface ala serial, USB or Ethernet control with a decent receiver. Sub menus via computer screen. My ten year remote project started before K3 days and most manufacturers could not satisfy the above requirement without silly interface boxes. Many of those who had the specific features had lack luster firmware and software control. My interest in remote operation due to big city life and restrictions fueled my multiscreen computer control and I ended up with a Kenwood TS480 with the narrow 270 Hz cw filter option. DXing is a casual operation for me and separate simple SDR with loop is used for basic split frequency operation. Proper adjustment of the attenuator, RF gain and ALC is the key to this radio specific performance. Dual receive diversity is through a simple audio mixer and really is seldom used. My option is not for everyone. However, with the typical longtime ham station for seasoned low bander or contester in the price range of a couple of Harleys or nice BMW it is not out of sight. The bottom line. A simple transceiver with quiet location and good antenna works for me. If you can't hear them you can't work them no matter what you spend. 73, Bob W7RH http://w7rh.net -- W7RH DM35OS Some people regard private enterprise as a predatory tiger to be shot. Others look on it as a cow they can milk. Not enough people see it as a healthy horse, pulling a sturdy wagon. Winston Churchill _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4592 / Virus Database: 3972/7706 - Release Date: 06/19/14 _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Rig Question
Is my P3 Monitor worth it. Yes. necessary no. Does it allow me to work DX faster yes. Pretty handy knowing exactly where the last guy the dx just worked was or the pattern the dx uses or finding holes in the pileups. How many rigs have true diversity receive? One? Does it help? It sure does. W6AM was using this long ago on his rombic farm. Does everyone need it? No. Phase noise in a MM situation can be awful. K3's have minimized this. Many of the big dxpeditions are only taking K3's because of this and the best receiver available. When you have the world calling you do need the best. Thankfully we have choices. Why should radio be any different than cars? Why do we have so many choices? They all go down the road at 65mph and are pretty safe. There are far more choices in brands of cars and price points than ham radio. The bottom line is that people like choices. Thankfully we have them. Mike W0MU On 6/19/2014 9:54 AM, Carl wrote: What I dont understand is even the need for some of these fancy rigs. DXers and contesters on any band 160-10M havent really progressed much in close to 30 years based upon the rig alone. PC control has been around a long time and a simple external box can shape the TX/RX audio. Key clix, phase noise, ALC spikes, reliability problems, constant updates/fixes, and more are still with us...no progress there. Overdriven SSB rigs and amps by those with a simian IQ are more prevalent than ever IMO. Is a built in panadaptor really needed? I have a SM-230 and SM-240 that are rarely of any use on HF and especially 160. I use the SM-230 regularly on 6M CW DX due to the random nature of DX band openings and fast moving E clouds. Advancements have been in receive antennas and control systems. Ive never found a second receiver built in to be any help. OTOH I do have a seperate rig, amp, split and fader controllable headphones, and antenna selection switching matrix that allows me to be on 2 bands at once chasing DXpeditions even on different modes. This is with mid to late 80's gear. Advancements in automatic amp and antenna/rotator control plus logging and spotting networks are, again IMO, a primary reason for higher contest scores and the xcvr used has little to do with it. With the huge acceptance of the TS-590 by all levels of ops it is a big statement as to why spend $$$ for very little improvement.those who always want the biggest and best toys arent included. Buy 2 and a second amp (lots of good used ones in the $1000-1500 range) and spend less money than just a xcvr in some cases. Many hams Ive talked to are wasting 1-3dB in feedline loss by the time they get to 10M. VSWR loss is additive to the flat loss making some antennas even more lossy over a full band. CATV hardline; and cheap 50 Ohm versions with connectors are free to even less than scrap copper these days as the 2 way and paging businesses have tanked. In the automotive world the Corvette and Mustangs (and toss the new SRT/Dodge Viper into the mix) are giving even the highest priced Euro cars fits on the tracks and dragstrips at a fraction of the costthere is American technology at its best where it is actually measurable one on one unlike with ham rigs which are more a personal and emotional choice, and perceived rather than real useful performance. Carl KM1H - Original Message - From: W7RH midnigh...@cox.net To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 9:42 AM Subject: Re: Topband: Rig Question Much of the discussion of todays transceivers is like comparing apples to apples. My situation did not require a big box status symbol with over a hundred button features. My requirements were standard communications interface ala serial, USB or Ethernet control with a decent receiver. Sub menus via computer screen. My ten year remote project started before K3 days and most manufacturers could not satisfy the above requirement without silly interface boxes. Many of those who had the specific features had lack luster firmware and software control. My interest in remote operation due to big city life and restrictions fueled my multiscreen computer control and I ended up with a Kenwood TS480 with the narrow 270 Hz cw filter option. DXing is a casual operation for me and separate simple SDR with loop is used for basic split frequency operation. Proper adjustment of the attenuator, RF gain and ALC is the key to this radio specific performance. Dual receive diversity is through a simple audio mixer and really is seldom used. My option is not for everyone. However, with the typical longtime ham station for seasoned low bander or contester in the price range of a couple of Harleys or nice BMW it is not out of sight. The bottom line. A simple transceiver with quiet location and good antenna works for me. If you can't hear them you can't work them no matter what you spend. 73, Bob W7RH http://w7rh.net --
Re: Topband: Rig Question
On 6/19/2014 9:05 AM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: Is my P3 Monitor worth it. Yes. necessary no. Does it allow me to work DX faster yes. Pretty handy knowing exactly where the last guy the dx just worked was or the pattern the dx uses or finding holes in the pileups. Yes, and it's also indispensable on 10M and above. During contests and the summer sporadic-E season, my P3 is on it's widest setting -- 200 kHz -- set to display 50,080 kHz to 50,280 kHz. I see CW activity, SSB activity, and JT65 activity. How many rigs have true diversity receive? One? Does it help? It sure does. W6AM was using this long ago on his rombic farm. Does everyone need it? No. It's wonderful on topband, and very nice up to 30M. Phase noise in a MM situation can be awful. K3's have minimized this. Many of the big dxpeditions are only taking K3's because of this and the best receiver available. When you have the world calling you do need the best. And please don't forget about TX phase noise, where the K3 is 20 dB better than most rigs. Using a K3 makes you a much better neighbor. K6XX is 3 miles from me with K3s and legal limit tube amps. We can work 500 Hz apart on CW and barely know the other is there. KE1B is 8 miles from me with a 7600 and legal limit amp. He chews up 10 kHz of at least whatever CW band he's on, and nearly twice that on SSB. 73, Jim K9YC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Rig Question
- Original Message - From: W0MU Mike Fatchett w...@w0mu.com To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 12:05 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Rig Question Is my P3 Monitor worth it. Yes. necessary no. Does it allow me to work DX faster yes. Pretty handy knowing exactly where the last guy the dx just worked was or the pattern the dx uses or finding holes in the pileups. ** Listening awhile will establish a pattern, knowing how and when to transmit is a skill. Depending on a display just reduces skill levels required and actually makes it harder as monkey see monkey do mentality takes over and the pileup does the same. How many rigs have true diversity receive? One? Does it help? It sure does. ** For the handfull that have the real estate to implement it properly. W6AM was using this long ago on his rombic farm. Does everyone need it? No. ** Diversity reception has been around since the 20's by the commercial sites. Often manned by hams it caught on long before Don. Phase noise in a MM situation can be awful. K3's have minimized this. ** So do switchable filters that drop it 40-60dB or so. A single coax stub by about 25dB here allows pure 2 station operation without interferance from 80's rigs. . Many of the big dxpeditions are only taking K3's because of this and the best receiver available. When you have the world calling you do need the best. ** Perceptions, pressure, freebies all play into the picture. I wont disagree the K3 has a good receiver, especially for CW but GOOD DXpedition/contest ops have contended with worse for decades and set new records Thankfully we have choices. Why should radio be any different than cars? Why do we have so many choices? They all go down the road at 65mph and are pretty safe. There are far more choices in brands of cars and price points than ham radio. The bottom line is that people like choices. Thankfully we have them. Mike W0MU ** The auto industry is a prime example against too many choices. The public isnt intelligent enough to understand why. Nobody really wins and the price goes up since production quantities by model decrease. Ford set records with the Model T and A which still stand. The 57 Chevy used the same rolling chassis and driveline as the 55 and 56 with more engine choices being the only variable. The 58 used the same rolling chassis with some reinforcements. The 59-64 was basically the same frame with incremental engine and transmission differences. The Mustang shared many components year to year plus with other models; underneath the sheetmetal it was a Falcon/Comet. The hugely popular 1986-95 Taurus/Sable shared a lot of body and interior parts over that span but engine/transmission/electronics swaps were limited to 2-3 years. These days almost every year is different in some major way, interchangability is minimal and prices escalate. Plus vehicles are junked before they are really worn out which adds to cost, pollution, natural resources, etc. Carl KM1H On 6/19/2014 9:54 AM, Carl wrote: What I dont understand is even the need for some of these fancy rigs. DXers and contesters on any band 160-10M havent really progressed much in close to 30 years based upon the rig alone. PC control has been around a long time and a simple external box can shape the TX/RX audio. Key clix, phase noise, ALC spikes, reliability problems, constant updates/fixes, and more are still with us...no progress there. Overdriven SSB rigs and amps by those with a simian IQ are more prevalent than ever IMO. Is a built in panadaptor really needed? I have a SM-230 and SM-240 that are rarely of any use on HF and especially 160. I use the SM-230 regularly on 6M CW DX due to the random nature of DX band openings and fast moving E clouds. Advancements have been in receive antennas and control systems. Ive never found a second receiver built in to be any help. OTOH I do have a seperate rig, amp, split and fader controllable headphones, and antenna selection switching matrix that allows me to be on 2 bands at once chasing DXpeditions even on different modes. This is with mid to late 80's gear. Advancements in automatic amp and antenna/rotator control plus logging and spotting networks are, again IMO, a primary reason for higher contest scores and the xcvr used has little to do with it. With the huge acceptance of the TS-590 by all levels of ops it is a big statement as to why spend $$$ for very little improvement.those who always want the biggest and best toys arent included. Buy 2 and a second amp (lots of good used ones in the $1000-1500 range) and spend less money than just a xcvr in some cases. Many hams Ive talked to are wasting 1-3dB in feedline loss by the time they get to 10M. VSWR loss is additive to the flat loss making some antennas even more lossy over a full band. CATV hardline; and cheap 50 Ohm versions with connectors are free to even
Re: Topband: Rig Question
On 6/19/2014 1:30 PM, Carl wrote: ** Perceptions, pressure, freebies all play into the picture. I wont disagree the K3 has a good receiver, especially for CW but GOOD DXpedition/contest ops have contended with worse for decades and set new records I remember when Chip, K7JA, paid me a visit in the early 80's carrying along a new Yaesu FT-101EE and broke all records in the ARRL SS by winning for the first time won both the Phone and the CW in the same year as first place high scorer. Much of this can be chalked up to a very good operator, second to a good location and rare multiplier, and lastly to the radio. The purists at the time teased Chip's use of an inexpensive rice box as the FT-101 was called back then. Few would even list today such a radio as something they used. Herb Schoenbohm., KV4FZ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Carl k...@jeremy.mv.com wrote: How many rigs have true diversity receive? One? Does it help? It sure does. ** For the handful that have the real estate to implement it properly. Though I can see what you are getting at in your other points, I really don't agree with this one. 160 1/4 wave verticals with proper radial systems require real estate. But anyone who has gotten up some variety of L over an FCP in their cramped space can do quite remarkable diversity by adding a K3 with subRX plus a loop antenna or any of the small solutions like pennant, K9AY, or even a single insulated wire of quite miscellaneous shape notched into the grass as a ground low velocity factor (GLVF) RX antenna. A BOG is a GLVF antenna. GLVF's have a useful quality of reducing reception of noise sources in the area that are close to the ground, like your neighbor's house. Being low velocity factor due to next to/in the ground, sizes to accomplish resonance effects are smaller. My favorite K3+subRX diversity ant setup is an RX antenna to NE on one ear and an RX antenna to W/NW on the other ear. This spreads the world of RF between my aural peripheral vision, and my brain separates any discrete signal from the wrap-around noise mush I am usually listening to on 160. But what does surprisingly, non-intuitively better than single RX on TX antenna, is whatever single RX antenna one can manage on subRX, and the transmit antenna on main RX. The brain will interpret CW and a lot of SSB as a single point source audio, and will either spread around the noise, or assign it a different point source on the mental audio horizon. So no, you do *not* need extended real estate to do diversity with a K3, just some outside-the-box thinking. There is a whole lot about the usual 160m talk that needs some outside-the-box thinking. 73, Guy K2AV _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Rig Question
Fast forward a few years: http://lists.contesting.com/_3830/2001-11/msg00025.html I had the pleasure and unique experience to share a chair with Rich KL7RA, Chip K7JA, and others. Watching, listening, soaking in all I could of their radio techniques and pileup control was a once in a lifetime opportunity. Chip brought his rig of choice at that time for the contest…a Yaesu MK-V Field. Today it’s not at the top of most lists, but I still own, operate, and enjoy one. 73, Gary NL7Y On 6/19/2014 1:30 PM, Carl wrote: ** Perceptions, pressure, freebies all play into the picture. I wont disagree the K3 has a good receiver, especially for CW but GOOD DXpedition/contest ops have contended with worse for decades and set new records I remember when Chip, K7JA, paid me a visit in the early 80's carrying along a new Yaesu FT-101EE and broke all records in the ARRL SS by winning for the first time won both the Phone and the CW in the same year as first place high scorer. Much of this can be chalked up to a very good operator, second to a good location and rare multiplier, and lastly to the radio. The purists at the time teased Chip's use of an inexpensive rice box as the FT-101 was called back then. Few would even list today such a radio as something they used. Herb Schoenbohm., KV4FZ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: Terminating old Phillystran with Spelter sockets
I recently concluded testing of wire rope clamps (clips) on old parallel Phillystran (PS). The old PS does not work with the current PS guy grip type of termination. These tests showed that clamps as a termination system has risks that are not acceptable to me. Since the factory no longer supplies the socket type termination made for old PS, I undertook tension tests using off the shelf Crosby Spelter sockets made for steel wire rope. These sockets develop full breaking strength of the cable and the steel strands are held with epoxy in the tapered socket. The PS guy being tested is the 5/8 od 27,000# breaking strength and will be preloaded to a maximum of 600# and has a requirement of 6700# breaking strength for the tower in permitting. Using West Marine series 105 epoxy, I was able to sustain 12,000# tension in the test sample with acceptable creep over a period of 5 days. This result is far superior to what I could obtain with cable clamps and a dubious clamp tightening procedure. With a Spelter socket there is no damage to the PS sheath and the termination completely encapsulates the Kevlar fiber from UV and weather. There may be improvements to the system with alternative epoxies, which I may consider for further testing. However, at this point I have a termination system proven to my satisfaction for the tower guys I need using the 1800' of old PS I have. I will gladly send a pdf copy of my new Spelter socket or prior cable clamp test reports to topbanders or towertalkians that request it off-line. 73, Grant KZ1W _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Rig Question
With a K3 and a PC running the right software (?), this can be done without the P3, correct? AND, I can click the display with a mouse to jump to that freq? Because if I can't, I may pass on the K3. I see that there are a number of different K3 rig control programs, but I don't know the details. Is anyone here controlling their Elecraft K3, etc. with their PC? If my Collins S/Line sells (ad on qrz.com) or someone wants to trade for a K3 ... :-) 73, Mike www.w0btu.com On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com wrote: On 6/19/2014 9:05 AM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: Is my P3 Monitor worth it. Yes. necessary no. Does it allow me to work DX faster yes. Pretty handy knowing exactly where the last guy the dx just worked was or the pattern the dx uses or finding holes in the pileups. Yes, and it's also indispensable on 10M and above. During contests and the summer sporadic-E season, my P3 is on it's widest setting -- 200 kHz ... _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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With the right software and interfacing. The P3 gets the information from the IF of the K3. On 6/19/2014 1:00 PM, Mike Waters wrote: With a K3 and a PC running the right software (?), this can be done without the P3, correct? AND, I can click the display with a mouse to jump to that freq? Because if I can't, I may pass on the K3. I see that there are a number of different K3 rig control programs, but I don't know the details. Is anyone here controlling their Elecraft K3, etc. with their PC? If my Collins S/Line sells (ad on qrz.com) or someone wants to trade for a K3 ... :-) 73, Mike www.w0btu.com On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com wrote: On 6/19/2014 9:05 AM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: Is my P3 Monitor worth it. Yes. necessary no. Does it allow me to work DX faster yes. Pretty handy knowing exactly where the last guy the dx just worked was or the pattern the dx uses or finding holes in the pileups. Yes, and it's also indispensable on 10M and above. During contests and the summer sporadic-E season, my P3 is on it's widest setting -- 200 kHz ... _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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And with the leisurely pace of SS it could probably be done today minus the spotting networks that many deny using in all contests. The last SS I operated was as a guest op in the far west burbs of Chicago in 71 or 72. With 2 towers and 5el monobanders 10-20 and 2 el on 40 a sweep was easy but boring. The rig was a Galaxy 5 and Hunter 2000B.far from high end state of the art. Carl KM1H - Original Message - From: Herb Schoenbohm he...@vitelcom.net To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 1:47 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Rig Question On 6/19/2014 1:30 PM, Carl wrote: ** Perceptions, pressure, freebies all play into the picture. I wont disagree the K3 has a good receiver, especially for CW but GOOD DXpedition/contest ops have contended with worse for decades and set new records I remember when Chip, K7JA, paid me a visit in the early 80's carrying along a new Yaesu FT-101EE and broke all records in the ARRL SS by winning for the first time won both the Phone and the CW in the same year as first place high scorer. Much of this can be chalked up to a very good operator, second to a good location and rare multiplier, and lastly to the radio. The purists at the time teased Chip's use of an inexpensive rice box as the FT-101 was called back then. Few would even list today such a radio as something they used. Herb Schoenbohm., KV4FZ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4592 / Virus Database: 3972/7706 - Release Date: 06/19/14 _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Rig Question
On 6/19/2014 12:00 PM, Mike Waters wrote: Is anyone here controlling their Elecraft K3, etc. with their PC? Yes. I mostly do rig control with N1MM for contesting, but also use WSJT-X for JT65 and JT9, and DXLab Commander for general logging. N1MM integrates the mouse with its own band map, which you can fill with your own spots as you SP, and also spots from the cluster if you choose to use it. The P3 has its own screen, and there's an optional add-in to provide SVGA output. The SVGA has its own FFT, with much greater resolution and waterfall time than the P3 alone. The P3 does NOT feed a computer, so I don't know how you would access it with a mouse. But the P3 has two cursors, that can be set anywhere on the display. And if you press the knob for the cursor, the rig will jump to the frequency of the cursor. The P3 can be set for any frequency span between 2 kHz and 200 kHz. The K3 and KX3 are SDRs with knobs. You CAN feed the IF both to the P3 and an I/Q decoder box, and from there to a computer, so whatever SDR software you like can talk to the K3 serial port. An important difference between the K3 and other SDRs is that it has MUCH less phase noise on TX. Another advantage of the P3 over an SDR and computer is that the SDR software can be very processor intensive. Not a problem with a fast new computer, but can be a major limitation with an older one. 73, Jim K9YC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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Dne 19.6.2014 21:00, Mike Waters napsal(a): Is anyone here controlling their Elecraft K3, etc. with their PC? 73, Mike www.w0btu.com Yes, I do. Everything in Linux supporting Hamlib/rigctld via UDP port is a good choice. The Linux clone of TR log (by W9CF) works well (choose K2 as your radio). TR4W with Wine works pretty well. In Win tested N1MM and Logger32, both works well. 73 Martin, OK1RR _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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Gentlemen, How did this conversation morf from aarigs to the pros and cons of specific contests? More importantly, how does this relate to the Topband reflector? 73, Bob K3UL _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
