Re: Topband: ON4KST low band chat

2015-12-05 Thread Mike Waters
Finally, somebody else gets it! :-)

73, Mike
www.w0btu.com

On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 11:10 PM, Tom W8JI  wrote:

> Thanks, but that doesn't fix the 40m clutter in the ON4KST lowband chat.
>> That's what I meant.
>>
>> For me, adding 40m to the chat simply ruined it. I'd be willing to pay to
>> have it work like it used to, just 160 and 80.
>>
>
>
> 40 meters is more like 20 meters than a low band.  From this part of the
> USA, 40 is open to Europe about 20 hours a day and hardly has QRN.
>
> 40 should not be rolled in with 80, let alone 160.
>
>
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Re: Topband: ON4KST low band chat

2015-12-05 Thread Tom W8JI

Thanks, but that doesn't fix the 40m clutter in the ON4KST lowband chat.
That's what I meant.

For me, adding 40m to the chat simply ruined it. I'd be willing to pay to
have it work like it used to, just 160 and 80.



40 meters is more like 20 meters than a low band.  From this part of the 
USA, 40 is open to Europe about 20 hours a day and hardly has QRN.


40 should not be rolled in with 80, let alone 160.


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Re: Topband: ON4KST low band chat

2015-12-05 Thread Mike Waters
How do we set the *CHAT* to show only 160 and 80 posts?

I don't know how I can make this any clearer. THIS IS *NOT" ABOUT THE SPOTS.

73, Mike
www.w0btu.com


I agree I have the chat set to only show 80 and 160 stuff it takes away all
> the other "CRAP"
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mike
> Waters
> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2015 11:48 PM
> To: topband
> Cc: c...@on4kst.com
> Subject: Re: Topband: ON4KST low band chat
>
> Thanks, but that doesn't fix the 40m clutter in the ON4KST lowband chat.
> That's what I meant.
>
> For me, adding 40m to the chat simply ruined it. I'd be willing to pay to
> have it work like it used to, just 160 and 80.
>
> 73, Mike
> www.w0btu.com
>
>
> Menu
> > Change Settings
> > Cluster Spots Panel Configuration
> > Choose 1.8 for only 160 spots
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 11:30 PM, Mike Waters  wrote:
> >
> >> I don't see how to do that. How do we reduce it to just 80 and 160?
> >>
> >> Thanks and 73,
> >> Mike
> >> www.w0btu.com
> >>
> >> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 10:23 PM, Mike Waters 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Thanks! I didn't see that option. I'll check it out.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Mike you can reduce it to just 80 and 160 as I have you don't need to
> do
> >> >> all 3 bands see the menu
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> When the ON4KST chat room combined 160, 80, and 40 into the "Low band
> >> >>> chat", it all of a sudden became WAY too cluttered for me. I was
> >> almost
> >> >>> ready to send a few bucks that way, but then that happened.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> All I care about is 160 meters, so I don't even use it anymore.
> >> >>>
> >>
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Re: Topband: ON4KST low band chat

2015-12-05 Thread Mike Waters
I keep getting replies like this.

I'm talking about the chat, NOT the cluster spots.

73, Mike
www.w0btu.com


Open the Change setting box,  scroll down to Cluster spots panel, check
> which bands you wish to see.
>
>
> I don't see how to do that. How do we reduce it to just 80 and 160?
>>
>> Thanks and 73,
>> Mike
>> www.w0btu.com
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 10:23 PM, Mike Waters  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks! I didn't see that option. I'll check it out.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike you can reduce it to just 80 and 160 as I have you don't need to do
>>>
 all 3 bands see the menu


 When the ON4KST chat room combined 160, 80, and 40 into the "Low band

> chat", it all of a sudden became WAY too cluttered for me. I was almost
> ready to send a few bucks that way, but then that happened.
>
> All I care about is 160 meters, so I don't even use it anymore.
>
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Topband: i am calling on 1827.5 Khz now

2015-12-05 Thread Douglas Ruz (CO8DM)

73Douglas, CO8DM

"No creo que haya alguna emoción más intensa para un inventor que ver alguna de 
sus creaciones funcionando. Esa emoción hace que uno se olvide de comer, de 
dormir, de todo." - Nikola Tesla
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Re: Topband: CO8DM on 1861 Khz CW...

2015-12-05 Thread Douglas Ruz (CO8DM)

i am now on 1827.5 Khz

73Douglas, CO8DM

"No creo que haya alguna emoción más intensa para un inventor que ver alguna 
de sus creaciones funcionando. Esa emoción hace que uno se olvide de comer, 
de dormir, de todo." - Nikola Tesla
- Original Message - 
From: "Douglas Ruz (CO8DM)" 

To: "Jeff AC0C" ; 
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2015 11:25 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: CO8DM on 1861 Khz CW...


Ok Jeff...1870 is clean.

I move to 1870 Khz

73Douglas, CO8DM

"No creo que haya alguna emoción más intensa para un inventor que ver alguna
de sus creaciones funcionando. Esa emoción hace que uno se olvide de comer,
de dormir, de todo." - Nikola Tesla
- Original Message - 
From: "Jeff AC0C" 

To: "Douglas Ruz (CO8DM)" ; 
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2015 11:22 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: CO8DM on 1861 Khz CW...



Douglas,

You may want to move up a bit more.  There is an AM broadcast on 1860.

73/jeff/ac0c
www.ac0c.com
alpha-charlie-zero-charlie

-Original Message- 
From: Douglas Ruz (CO8DM)

Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2015 10:16 PM
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Topband: CO8DM on 1861 Khz CW...

Hi,

I am calling on 1861 Khz...only 100 watts.

If someone would like to try.

73Douglas, CO8DM

"No creo que haya alguna emoción más intensa para un inventor que ver 
alguna de sus creaciones funcionando. Esa emoción hace que uno se olvide 
de comer, de dormir, de todo." - Nikola Tesla

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Topband: 160M WAS - need ME

2015-12-05 Thread JAMES
Worked 49 states (74 of 83 sections) in ARRL 160M CW Contest this weekend. Need 
Maine to complete 160M WAS. Saw one ME spot but he was jumping around S&P as I 
was. 

I would appreciate hearing from any ME stations willing to attempt a topband 
sked. 

Tnx & 73 

Jim K7EG 
Auburn WA 
57jndenn...@comcast.net 
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Re: Topband: ON4KST low band chat

2015-12-05 Thread Mike Waters
Thanks, but that doesn't fix the 40m clutter in the ON4KST lowband chat.
That's what I meant.

For me, adding 40m to the chat simply ruined it. I'd be willing to pay to
have it work like it used to, just 160 and 80.

73, Mike
www.w0btu.com


Menu
> Change Settings
> Cluster Spots Panel Configuration
> Choose 1.8 for only 160 spots
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 11:30 PM, Mike Waters  wrote:
>
>> I don't see how to do that. How do we reduce it to just 80 and 160?
>>
>> Thanks and 73,
>> Mike
>> www.w0btu.com
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 10:23 PM, Mike Waters  wrote:
>>
>> > Thanks! I didn't see that option. I'll check it out.
>> >
>> >
>> > Mike you can reduce it to just 80 and 160 as I have you don't need to do
>> >> all 3 bands see the menu
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> When the ON4KST chat room combined 160, 80, and 40 into the "Low band
>> >>> chat", it all of a sudden became WAY too cluttered for me. I was
>> almost
>> >>> ready to send a few bucks that way, but then that happened.
>> >>>
>> >>> All I care about is 160 meters, so I don't even use it anymore.
>> >>>
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Re: Topband: ON4KST low band chat

2015-12-05 Thread Mike Waters
I don't see how to do that. How do we reduce it to just 80 and 160?

Thanks and 73,
Mike
www.w0btu.com

On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 10:23 PM, Mike Waters  wrote:

> Thanks! I didn't see that option. I'll check it out.
>
>
> Mike you can reduce it to just 80 and 160 as I have you don't need to do
>> all 3 bands see the menu
>>
>>
>> When the ON4KST chat room combined 160, 80, and 40 into the "Low band
>>> chat", it all of a sudden became WAY too cluttered for me. I was almost
>>> ready to send a few bucks that way, but then that happened.
>>>
>>> All I care about is 160 meters, so I don't even use it anymore.
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: Topband: CO8DM on 1861 Khz CW...

2015-12-05 Thread Douglas Ruz (CO8DM)

Ok Jeff...1870 is clean.

I move to 1870 Khz

73Douglas, CO8DM

"No creo que haya alguna emoción más intensa para un inventor que ver alguna 
de sus creaciones funcionando. Esa emoción hace que uno se olvide de comer, 
de dormir, de todo." - Nikola Tesla
- Original Message - 
From: "Jeff AC0C" 

To: "Douglas Ruz (CO8DM)" ; 
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2015 11:22 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: CO8DM on 1861 Khz CW...



Douglas,

You may want to move up a bit more.  There is an AM broadcast on 1860.

73/jeff/ac0c
www.ac0c.com
alpha-charlie-zero-charlie

-Original Message- 
From: Douglas Ruz (CO8DM)

Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2015 10:16 PM
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Topband: CO8DM on 1861 Khz CW...

Hi,

I am calling on 1861 Khz...only 100 watts.

If someone would like to try.

73Douglas, CO8DM

"No creo que haya alguna emoción más intensa para un inventor que ver 
alguna de sus creaciones funcionando. Esa emoción hace que uno se olvide 
de comer, de dormir, de todo." - Nikola Tesla

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Re: Topband: ON4KST low band chat

2015-12-05 Thread Mike Waters
Thanks! I didn't see that option. I'll check it out.

73, Mike
www.w0btu.com

Mike you can reduce it to just 80 and 160 as I have you don't need to do
> all 3 bands see the menu
>
>
> When the ON4KST chat room combined 160, 80, and 40 into the "Low band
>> chat", it all of a sudden became WAY too cluttered for me. I was almost
>> ready to send a few bucks that way, but then that happened.
>>
>> All I care about is 160 meters, so I don't even use it anymore.
>>
>
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Re: Topband: CO8DM on 1861 Khz CW...

2015-12-05 Thread Jeff AC0C

Douglas,

You may want to move up a bit more.  There is an AM broadcast on 1860.

73/jeff/ac0c
www.ac0c.com
alpha-charlie-zero-charlie

-Original Message- 
From: Douglas Ruz (CO8DM)

Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2015 10:16 PM
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Topband: CO8DM on 1861 Khz CW...

Hi,

I am calling on 1861 Khz...only 100 watts.

If someone would like to try.

73Douglas, CO8DM

"No creo que haya alguna emoción más intensa para un inventor que ver alguna 
de sus creaciones funcionando. Esa emoción hace que uno se olvide de comer, 
de dormir, de todo." - Nikola Tesla

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Topband: CO8DM on 1861 Khz CW...

2015-12-05 Thread Douglas Ruz (CO8DM)
Hi,

I am calling on 1861 Khz...only 100 watts.

If someone would like to try.

73Douglas, CO8DM

"No creo que haya alguna emoción más intensa para un inventor que ver alguna de 
sus creaciones funcionando. Esa emoción hace que uno se olvide de comer, de 
dormir, de todo." - Nikola Tesla
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Topband: ON4KST low band chat

2015-12-05 Thread Mike Waters
Hi Mark,

[was: Re: Topband: DX on 160, was: Topband QRP WAS]
On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Mark Lunday  wrote:

> ... Check out ON4KST chat room for real-time info.
>

I'm not knocking your advice, but this seems like a good place and time to
"vent". :-)

When the ON4KST chat room combined 160, 80, and 40 into the "Low band
chat", it all of a sudden became WAY too cluttered for me. I was almost
ready to send a few bucks that way, but then that happened.

All I care about is 160 meters, so I don't even use it anymore.

Is there an alternative?

73, Mike
www.w0btu.com
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Re: Topband: DX on 160, was: Topband QRP WAS

2015-12-05 Thread Tom W8JI

On 12/5/2015 5:43 PM, Mark Lunday wrote:
Bill, a question about your 160 meter antenna.  I have learned from the 
wise
old-timers on this message board that a vertical antenna with 
broad-banded

behavior is a lossy antenna.  Same with a vertical antenna that shows 1:1
match.


Some people might believe that myth, but it isn't true.

Bandwidth is a meaningless determinant of efficiency. SWR is meaningless 
also, by itself, in indicating efficiency.


Verticals with good efficiency have sufficient ground 
radials/counterpoise

and present approx 30 ohms impedance and therefore do not provide a 1:1
match (I think it's about 1.5:1 or something like that).  In addition, 
the
efficient verticals are not broad-banded.  Dipoles yes, verticals no. 
Also,

if your antenna is not a vertical on 160, then as you know it will be an
even bigger challenge to work DX on TopBand.


A 1/4 wave tall tower with a perfect ground system will cover all of the 
band with reasonable SWR change. If series fed they will be around 30 ohms 
depending in many things, but that still does not tell us efficiency.


efficient verticals are not broad-banded.  Dipoles yes, verticals no. 
Also,

if your antenna is not a vertical on 160, then as you know it will be an
even bigger challenge to work DX on TopBand.


Actually that is exactly backwards, Mark.

Dipoles are narrower than 1/4 wave verticals, all things equal. This is 
because a 1/4 wave vertical has half the resonant length.


73 Tom 


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Topband: Broadbanding An Antenna and Impedance Matching

2015-12-05 Thread Jim Brown

On Sat,12/5/2015 2:43 PM, Mark Lunday wrote:

  I have learned from the wise
old-timers on this message board that a vertical antenna with broad-banded
behavior is a lossy antenna.  Same with a vertical antenna that shows 1:1
match.


Horse-pucky on both counts. I've been reading this message board for ten 
years, and most guys here are a LOT smarter than that.


There are several ways to broadband an antenna. One is to increase the 
conductor diameter. A vertical made from Rohn 25 will have greater SWR 
bandwidth than one made from a single #14 copper wire (or even a single 
#10 wire). It is well known that the SWR bandwidth of a wire vertical 
can increased by building it from two widely spaced conductors that are 
tied together top and bottom. Both ways of doing it will yield an 
antenna that is physically shorter to achieve resonance.


Likewise, there are multiple ways to achieve a 1:1 match. Yes, a 
vertical with a poor radial or counterpoise will show a match closer to 
1:1 because of ground losses. BUT -- a vertical with a very good radial 
or counterpoise system, which has a feedpoint Z near 30 ohms, can be 
matched to 50 ohms in several ways that do not increase loss. One is 
with an autoformer. Another is with a simple matching network. Another 
is to tune the antenna long by adding top-loading, which increases the 
feedpoint Z to 50 + jX ohms, then add series C at the feedpoint to tune 
out jX. ALL of these methods yield 1:1 SWR with high efficiency.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: Topband: DX on 160, was: Topband QRP WAS

2015-12-05 Thread K4OWR
 Thanks Mark. I may have overstated it's bandwidth. It does however 
play well up to 1.9 (2:1)

, and happily, my amplifier (AL82) seems to match fairly easily.
I also did not mention that so far I have only put out 5 radialsmy 
goal was to eventually get out at least 25 and more if I can in the 
spring, but it's tedious even with the little power trencher I bought 
for the purpose.

BILL K4OWR

On 12/5/2015 5:43 PM, Mark Lunday wrote:

Bill, a question about your 160 meter antenna.  I have learned from the wise
old-timers on this message board that a vertical antenna with broad-banded
behavior is a lossy antenna.  Same with a vertical antenna that shows 1:1
match.

Verticals with good efficiency have sufficient ground radials/counterpoise
and present approx 30 ohms impedance and therefore do not provide a 1:1
match (I think it's about 1.5:1 or something like that).  In addition, the
efficient verticals are not broad-banded.  Dipoles yes, verticals no.  Also,
if your antenna is not a vertical on 160, then as you know it will be an
even bigger challenge to work DX on TopBand.

Please share more details?

Mark Lunday, WD4ELG
Greensboro, NC  FM06be
wd4...@arrl.net
http://wd4elg.blogspot.com

-Original Message-
From: K4OWR [mailto:k2...@comcast.net]
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2015 2:41 PM
To: Mark Lunday; topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: DX on 160, was: Topband QRP WAS

 Ok. That explains my experience in so few DX contacts. I'll change that
immediately; although I do enjoy ragchewing with other similar interest
hams. I find CW cumbersome for that since it breaks down simple conversation
into one letter at a time; but the weak signal benefits are huge.
Now all I have to do is commit to going up to the shack (about 150' up the
hill) in the relative dark and cold much later in the evening, or as you
guys recommend before sunrise.
I do not leave the heat on up there so it will be very cold here on a
Tennessee morning :-) In the meantime I look forward to working you guys and
will fire up between 1820-1840 from now on. My antennas are set for 1:1 swr
at about
1860 but are fairly broad for some lucky reason. I do not use antenna
tuners, especially on 160 where I find them to be a fire hazard with my big
amp :- Thanx for all the terrific info!!
BILL K4OWR




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Re: Topband: DX on 160, was: Topband QRP WAS

2015-12-05 Thread Mark Lunday
Bill, a question about your 160 meter antenna.  I have learned from the wise
old-timers on this message board that a vertical antenna with broad-banded
behavior is a lossy antenna.  Same with a vertical antenna that shows 1:1
match.

Verticals with good efficiency have sufficient ground radials/counterpoise
and present approx 30 ohms impedance and therefore do not provide a 1:1
match (I think it's about 1.5:1 or something like that).  In addition, the
efficient verticals are not broad-banded.  Dipoles yes, verticals no.  Also,
if your antenna is not a vertical on 160, then as you know it will be an
even bigger challenge to work DX on TopBand.

Please share more details?

Mark Lunday, WD4ELG
Greensboro, NC  FM06be
wd4...@arrl.net
http://wd4elg.blogspot.com

-Original Message-
From: K4OWR [mailto:k2...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2015 2:41 PM
To: Mark Lunday; topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: DX on 160, was: Topband QRP WAS

 Ok. That explains my experience in so few DX contacts. I'll change that
immediately; although I do enjoy ragchewing with other similar interest
hams. I find CW cumbersome for that since it breaks down simple conversation
into one letter at a time; but the weak signal benefits are huge.
Now all I have to do is commit to going up to the shack (about 150' up the
hill) in the relative dark and cold much later in the evening, or as you
guys recommend before sunrise.
I do not leave the heat on up there so it will be very cold here on a
Tennessee morning :-) In the meantime I look forward to working you guys and
will fire up between 1820-1840 from now on. My antennas are set for 1:1 swr
at about
1860 but are fairly broad for some lucky reason. I do not use antenna
tuners, especially on 160 where I find them to be a fire hazard with my big
amp :- Thanx for all the terrific info!!
BILL K4OWR

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Re: Topband: Shunt Feed Cage

2015-12-05 Thread Herbert Schoenbohm
Steve, Space the cage wire should at least 24 inches under the belief 
that the fatter the structure appears at RF to be the  more bandwidth 
will be obtained. Also consider at a minimum a ground screen of rabbit 
fencing around the base of your tower to reduce your ground loses which 
are probably eating up 50% of your power as presently configured.



Herb, KV4FZ
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I shunt feed my 54 ft free standing 3 section crank-up tower for 160m and 80m, 
remote relay band switchable omega match. 2:1 SWR bandwidth is around 40+ kc on 
160 and about 20 kc on 80.

3/8” solid gamma rod, 15” from a tower leg attached at about the 22 ft level, 
the top of the bottom section of the tower. These parameters will not change 
nor will the fact that I have no radials since there is no place for them on my 
small city lot. There are two 8 ft ground rods at the tower base.

If I were to put a cage of 2, 3 or 4 wires around the gamma rod, each spaced 3 
inches or so from the rod, could I expect to see a significant improvement in 
bandwidth on 80m? Or I won’t know until I try it?

Tks - Steve WB6RSE
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Re: Topband: Topband QRP WAS

2015-12-05 Thread Tim Shoppa
Rich, you comment on the "combat zone" aspect of ARRL 160M in past years
and how it's not so bad this year.

I agree that past couple years it was brutal but last night, not so bad. I
don't feel activity was down, just maybe a little bit more rationally
spread out. DX window wasn't perfectly respected but did have some useful
sparseness, and the DX certainly did not feel confined to that window
either.

I had some hugely successful runs high in the band (1850-1860), others were
running up there plus a little more, and we were not chased away by the
usual phone nets reserving "their frequency". I think reduced QRM from
phone nets, allowing a busy CW night to have just a little breathing room,
was the big improvement.

Tim N3QE

On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist <
rich...@karlquist.com> wrote:

>
> On 12/4/2015 9:38 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>
>> I'm still working on this, and need a handful of states. They are CT,
>> VT, WV, KY, SC, andMS.  I'm 70 miles S of San Francisco, on the coast.
>>
>> The best time to make these QSOs has been in the 90 or so minutes before
>> local sunrise at the east coast end, and for perhaps 30-45 minutes after
>> local sunrise. If you're calling CQ, I'll find you and do my best to
>> make you hear me. :)
>>
>> Thanks and 73, Jim K9YC
>>
>
> Last night, I worked several CT, KY, and SC, and at least 1 MS.
> However, these were before 0730Z. I too got up at 1130Z and I
> think I only worked KY on your list this morning. OTOH, JA's
> were booming in this morning, especially JA3YBK who can be
> counted on to be the strongest JA, yet I didn't hear him
> CQ'ing on 1811 as usual.  He called me.
>
> Activity seemed to be down, so I didn't have a lot of trouble
> getting a run frequency (even running low power) in the
> "dime quarter" band (1810-1825) where JA's hang out. In the
> past, this has virtually been a combat zone.
>
> Still need (for the contest) WV and VT (always tough to find
> and work from here).
>
> Rick N6RK
>
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Topband: Shunt Feed Cage

2015-12-05 Thread wb6rse1
I shunt feed my 54 ft free standing 3 section crank-up tower for 160m and 80m, 
remote relay band switchable omega match. 2:1 SWR bandwidth is around 40+ kc on 
160 and about 20 kc on 80.

3/8” solid gamma rod, 15” from a tower leg attached at about the 22 ft level, 
the top of the bottom section of the tower. These parameters will not change 
nor will the fact that I have no radials since there is no place for them on my 
small city lot. There are two 8 ft ground rods at the tower base.

If I were to put a cage of 2, 3 or 4 wires around the gamma rod, each spaced 3 
inches or so from the rod, could I expect to see a significant improvement in 
bandwidth on 80m? Or I won’t know until I try it?

Tks - Steve WB6RSE
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Re: Topband: Topband QRP WAS

2015-12-05 Thread Tim Shoppa
Jim, since you bring up QRP on 160M, I would like to promote the upcoming
NAQCC 160M QRP sprint. 0130Z-0330Z January 13 2016 (which I think means
it's our Tuesday night). http://naqcc.info/sprint201601_160.html

I usually participate and enjoy it, but do not always send in my log due to
the required obtuse log format.

Tim N3QE

On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 12:50 PM, Jim Brown 
wrote:

> On Sat,12/5/2015 8:40 AM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote:
>
>> Last night, I worked several CT, KY, and SC, and at least 1 MS.
>>
>
> I found condx pretty stinko last night to the east coast. Lots of W1
> spotted, none heard. K8JQ was heard, but not loud. The very dependable NO3M
> and WD5R were not very loud and didn't hear me. Let's hope tonight is
> better.
>
> Yes, N4OGW and WQ5L are good ops with a decent signal from MS, but both
> seem to go to bed too early to work from W6. :)
>
>
> On Sat,12/5/2015 8:01 AM, K4OWR wrote:
>
>> I have had great success contesting on this band (avg 1000qs) but not
>> really much DX. My country total is about 15. I'm reading here about some
>> people working DX and wondering about when I need to get on to hear this
>> stuff. I see the word "overnight" but wondering around what time is best.
>> I'm in east TN.
>>
>
> 160M is an all night band, and 160 contests are all night contests.
> Conditions often vary quite a lot through the night and from one night to
> another.  From the beginning of the contest (around 5 pm EST) work EU, AF,
> SA, and NA until local sunrise at the DX QTH. Through the night and until
> about 30 minutes after your own sunrise, work west.  Signals to the west
> will peak at their sunset and again in the hour or so around your sunrise.
> Beverages and other dedicated RX antennas will help pull out weaker signals.
>
> In addition to all of that, with legal limit power and decent vertical
> antenna, I can work 800 miles in the daylight hours.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC Santa Cruz, CA
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Re: Topband: DX on 160, was: Topband QRP WAS

2015-12-05 Thread K4OWR
 Ok. That explains my experience in so few DX contacts. I'll change 
that immediately; although I do enjoy ragchewing with other similar 
interest hams. I find CW cumbersome for that since it breaks down simple 
conversation into one letter at a time; but the weak signal benefits are 
huge.
Now all I have to do is commit to going up to the shack (about 150' up 
the hill) in the relative dark and cold much later in the evening, or as 
you guys recommend before sunrise.
I do not leave the heat on up there so it will be very cold here on a 
Tennessee morning :-)
In the meantime I look forward to working you guys and will fire up 
between 1820-1840 from now on. My antennas are set for 1:1 swr at about 
1860 but are fairly broad for some lucky reason. I do not use antenna 
tuners, especially on 160 where I find them to be a fire hazard with my 
big amp :-

Thanx for all the terrific info!!
BILL K4OWR

On 12/5/2015 2:14 PM, Mark Lunday wrote:

Bill, all of my DX is on CW.  Anywhere from 1820 to 1840. In fact, the only
DX I have on SSB on 160 is a handful of Carib stations.  Because of the
challenging conditions of TopBand, CW for me is the way to go.  Some folks
have a lot of luck with WSJT or other digital modes...I have not tried that
yet as the DX I am chasing is not common and is not on digital.

  Check out ON4KST chat room for real-time info.

Mark Lunday, WD4ELG
Greensboro, NC  FM06be
wd4...@arrl.net
http://wd4elg.blogspot.com


-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of K4OWR
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2015 1:15 PM
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: Topband QRP WAS

 Although I can work CW, I don't usually. It's not clear what mode you
guys use most.  I often go up to the shack around 9pm and listen around for
an hour or so, but rarely hear much activity other then the local obnoxious
ragchewers who will complain to me that I'm "splattering" on their
conversation 10 khz away. I always find that they are using their
noiseblankers out of habit and don't seem to comprehend what this does to
their selectivitysigh. Anyway, I would appreciate hearing what Fx most
of you find best for DX, and is phone only hampering me?
BILL K4OWR





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Re: Topband: Topband QRP WAS

2015-12-05 Thread DL1AMQ
During last few days/weeks I see a dramatic difference of DXpropagation in 80m 
vs. 160m band. On 80m I worked US states CA and WA during US SS contest while 
no one US station can be really heard on TopBand.
This difference appears in a gap of frequency of about 1,7 Mhz only.

I assume, the smaller the gap the smaller the difference in DXpropagation.
My question is: why all intercontinental DX happens at the band edge of 1.8 MHz 
instead of the "faster" band edge at 2.0 MHz to get closer to the "good DXprop 
range" ?

One possible reason I see is DX window to JA.
I would like to check DXprop between US <=> EU at TopBands both edges to 
compare in practice. 
Any comments ?

73 de Thomas, DL1AMQ


> Gesendet: Samstag, 05. Dezember 2015 um 19:30 Uhr
> Von: "Jim Brown" 
> An: topband@contesting.com
> Betreff: Re: Topband: Topband QRP WAS
>
> On Sat,12/5/2015 10:14 AM, K4OWR wrote:
> > Anyway, I would appreciate hearing what Fx most of you find best for 
> > DX, and is phone only hampering me? 
> 
> 160M is a CW band for anything but mindless ragchewing.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: Topband: Topband QRP WAS

2015-12-05 Thread Jim Brown

On Sat,12/5/2015 10:38 AM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote:

I worked a station in ENY in the contest yesterday at 3:30 PM local
time, well over an hour before sunset. 


Yes. Stations in w8, W9, and VE3 are often loud and clear during these 
hours, but are mostly using RX antennas aimed at EU, so are very 
difficult to work. I once worked a VE3 and/or a W9 in this time frame, 
but only one, and I've not bothered trying again. This was with legal 
limit on my end, not QRP. :)


73, Jim K9YC


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Re: Topband: Topband QRP WAS

2015-12-05 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist

On 12/5/2015 10:30 AM, Jim Brown wrote:

160M is a CW band for anything but mindless ragchewing.

73, Jim K9YC
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During the sunspot minimum a few years ago, I
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Re: Topband: Topband QRP WAS

2015-12-05 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist



On 12/5/2015 9:50 AM, Jim Brown wrote:


In addition to all of that, with legal limit power and decent vertical
antenna, I can work 800 miles in the daylight hours.

73, Jim K9YC Santa Cruz, CA


I worked a station in ENY in the contest yesterday at 3:30 PM local
time, well over an hour before sunset.

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Re: Topband: Topband QRP WAS

2015-12-05 Thread Jim Brown

On Sat,12/5/2015 10:14 AM, K4OWR wrote:
Anyway, I would appreciate hearing what Fx most of you find best for 
DX, and is phone only hampering me? 


160M is a CW band for anything but mindless ragchewing.

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: Topband: Topband QRP WAS

2015-12-05 Thread Art Snapper
I'm a relative newbie on 160 (about 5 years) but it seems most DX hangs out
on CW between 1820 and 1835. The situation may be different during
contests, due to channel availability.

73
de NK8X
ᐧ

On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 1:14 PM, K4OWR  wrote:

>  Although I can work CW, I don't usually. It's not clear what mode you
> guys use most.  I often go up to the shack around 9pm and listen around for
> an hour or so, but rarely hear much activity other then the local obnoxious
> ragchewers who will complain to me that I'm "splattering" on their
> conversation 10 khz away. I always find that they are using their
> noiseblankers out of habit and don't seem to comprehend what this does to
> their selectivitysigh. Anyway, I would appreciate hearing what Fx most
> of you find best for DX, and is phone only hampering me?
> BILL K4OWR
>
>
>
>
> On 12/5/2015 12:50 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>
>> On Sat,12/5/2015 8:40 AM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote:
>>
>>> Last night, I worked several CT, KY, and SC, and at least 1 MS.
>>>
>>
>> I found condx pretty stinko last night to the east coast. Lots of W1
>> spotted, none heard. K8JQ was heard, but not loud. The very dependable NO3M
>> and WD5R were not very loud and didn't hear me. Let's hope tonight is
>> better.
>>
>> Yes, N4OGW and WQ5L are good ops with a decent signal from MS, but both
>> seem to go to bed too early to work from W6. :)
>>
>>
>> On Sat,12/5/2015 8:01 AM, K4OWR wrote:
>>
>>> I have had great success contesting on this band (avg 1000qs) but not
>>> really much DX. My country total is about 15. I'm reading here about some
>>> people working DX and wondering about when I need to get on to hear this
>>> stuff. I see the word "overnight" but wondering around what time is best.
>>> I'm in east TN.
>>>
>>
>> 160M is an all night band, and 160 contests are all night contests.
>> Conditions often vary quite a lot through the night and from one night to
>> another.  From the beginning of the contest (around 5 pm EST) work EU, AF,
>> SA, and NA until local sunrise at the DX QTH. Through the night and until
>> about 30 minutes after your own sunrise, work west.  Signals to the west
>> will peak at their sunset and again in the hour or so around your sunrise.
>> Beverages and other dedicated RX antennas will help pull out weaker signals.
>>
>> In addition to all of that, with legal limit power and decent vertical
>> antenna, I can work 800 miles in the daylight hours.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC Santa Cruz, CA
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Re: Topband: Topband QRP WAS

2015-12-05 Thread K4OWR
 Although I can work CW, I don't usually. It's not clear what mode 
you guys use most.  I often go up to the shack around 9pm and listen 
around for an hour or so, but rarely hear much activity other then the 
local obnoxious ragchewers who will complain to me that I'm 
"splattering" on their conversation 10 khz away. I always find that they 
are using their noiseblankers out of habit and don't seem to comprehend 
what this does to their selectivitysigh. Anyway, I would appreciate 
hearing what Fx most of you find best for DX, and is phone only 
hampering me?

BILL K4OWR



On 12/5/2015 12:50 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On Sat,12/5/2015 8:40 AM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote:
Last night, I worked several CT, KY, and SC, and at least 1 MS. 


I found condx pretty stinko last night to the east coast. Lots of W1 
spotted, none heard. K8JQ was heard, but not loud. The very dependable 
NO3M and WD5R were not very loud and didn't hear me. Let's hope 
tonight is better.


Yes, N4OGW and WQ5L are good ops with a decent signal from MS, but 
both seem to go to bed too early to work from W6. :)



On Sat,12/5/2015 8:01 AM, K4OWR wrote:
I have had great success contesting on this band (avg 1000qs) but not 
really much DX. My country total is about 15. I'm reading here about 
some people working DX and wondering about when I need to get on to 
hear this stuff. I see the word "overnight" but wondering around what 
time is best. I'm in east TN. 


160M is an all night band, and 160 contests are all night contests. 
Conditions often vary quite a lot through the night and from one night 
to another.  From the beginning of the contest (around 5 pm EST) work 
EU, AF, SA, and NA until local sunrise at the DX QTH. Through the 
night and until about 30 minutes after your own sunrise, work west.  
Signals to the west will peak at their sunset and again in the hour or 
so around your sunrise. Beverages and other dedicated RX antennas will 
help pull out weaker signals.


In addition to all of that, with legal limit power and decent vertical 
antenna, I can work 800 miles in the daylight hours.


73, Jim K9YC Santa Cruz, CA
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Re: Topband: Topband QRP WAS

2015-12-05 Thread Jim Brown

On Sat,12/5/2015 8:40 AM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote:
Last night, I worked several CT, KY, and SC, and at least 1 MS. 


I found condx pretty stinko last night to the east coast. Lots of W1 
spotted, none heard. K8JQ was heard, but not loud. The very dependable 
NO3M and WD5R were not very loud and didn't hear me. Let's hope tonight 
is better.


Yes, N4OGW and WQ5L are good ops with a decent signal from MS, but both 
seem to go to bed too early to work from W6. :)



On Sat,12/5/2015 8:01 AM, K4OWR wrote:
I have had great success contesting on this band (avg 1000qs) but not 
really much DX. My country total is about 15. I'm reading here about 
some people working DX and wondering about when I need to get on to 
hear this stuff. I see the word "overnight" but wondering around what 
time is best. I'm in east TN. 


160M is an all night band, and 160 contests are all night contests. 
Conditions often vary quite a lot through the night and from one night 
to another.  From the beginning of the contest (around 5 pm EST) work 
EU, AF, SA, and NA until local sunrise at the DX QTH. Through the night 
and until about 30 minutes after your own sunrise, work west.  Signals 
to the west will peak at their sunset and again in the hour or so around 
your sunrise.  Beverages and other dedicated RX antennas will help pull 
out weaker signals.


In addition to all of that, with legal limit power and decent vertical 
antenna, I can work 800 miles in the daylight hours.


73, Jim K9YC Santa Cruz, CA
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Re: Topband: Topband QRP WAS

2015-12-05 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist


On 12/4/2015 9:38 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

I'm still working on this, and need a handful of states. They are CT,
VT, WV, KY, SC, andMS.  I'm 70 miles S of San Francisco, on the coast.

The best time to make these QSOs has been in the 90 or so minutes before
local sunrise at the east coast end, and for perhaps 30-45 minutes after
local sunrise. If you're calling CQ, I'll find you and do my best to
make you hear me. :)

Thanks and 73, Jim K9YC


Last night, I worked several CT, KY, and SC, and at least 1 MS.
However, these were before 0730Z. I too got up at 1130Z and I
think I only worked KY on your list this morning. OTOH, JA's
were booming in this morning, especially JA3YBK who can be
counted on to be the strongest JA, yet I didn't hear him
CQ'ing on 1811 as usual.  He called me.

Activity seemed to be down, so I didn't have a lot of trouble
getting a run frequency (even running low power) in the
"dime quarter" band (1810-1825) where JA's hang out. In the
past, this has virtually been a combat zone.

Still need (for the contest) WV and VT (always tough to find
and work from here).

Rick N6RK

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Re: Topband: WAS 160

2015-12-05 Thread Mike - W5JR
For me, EU was/is best before their sunrise. The Pacific before/at my sunrise. 
South America in the spring or fall. There are many countries to be had in the 
CQ160 next Jan. Getting to 100 turned out to be pretty easy. Getting to 150 and 
beyond is taking much more focus. 

I did 115 with just an Inv L over 16 radials. 1kw. No receiving antennas. Was 
at around 95 for a couple of years until several DXpeditions pushed me over the 
magic number. 

tnx
Mike / W5JR
Alpharetta GA

> On Dec 5, 2015, at 11:01 AM, K4OWR  wrote:
> 
>  I'm new to this group, but have been a very active ham for all 58 years 
> licensed. I've become very interested in 160 especially since the other bands 
> cndx are so terrible.
> I have lots of land to play antennas with (15 flat acres) and currently have 
> a full size dipole at 90', an inverted L with vertical leg almost 100', and 
> two 850' beverages; plus a 100' tower. I'm also running full power.
> 
> I have had great success contesting on this band (avg 1000qs) but not really 
> much DX. My country total is about 15. I'm reading here about some people 
> working DX and wondering about when I need to get on to hear this stuff. I 
> see the word "overnight" but wondering around what time is best. I'm in east 
> TN.
> Bill K4OWR
> 
>> On 12/5/2015 10:49 AM, Mike - W5JR wrote:
>> WQ5L has a very loud signal into GA from MS and he was on overnight during 
>> night 1 of the ARRL 160. For me, sigs from EU were not as strong as usual 
>> last night.
>> 
>> tnx
>> Mike / W5JR
>> Alpharetta GA
>> 
>>> On Dec 5, 2015, at 8:29 AM, Douglas Ruz (CO8DM)  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I heard N4OGW from MS last night...
>>> 
>>> 73Douglas, CO8DM
>>> 
>>> "No creo que haya alguna emoción más intensa para un inventor que ver 
>>> alguna de sus creaciones funcionando. Esa emoción hace que uno se olvide de 
>>> comer, de dormir, de todo." - Nikola Tesla
>>> - Original Message - From: "Peter Sundberg" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2015 5:05 AM
>>> Subject: Topband: WAS 160
>>> 
>>> 
 This morning, for the first time in a couple of years, I could hear/work a 
 number of NA stations again with good signals.
 
 This leads me to believe that I can finally complete WAS 160m this season 
 by working someone in MS. Been stuck at 49 states for 4 years now...
 
 Any suggestions as to who is active from MS on 160m with a good station? I 
 am located at Lat 65.4N so geomagnetic disturbances are a big issue. The 
 bigger the station is at the other end, the better.
 
 73
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Re: Topband: WAS 160

2015-12-05 Thread George

Hi Peter

Mal, W5XX in Mississippi, used to be active in low band contests.  Haven't 
heard him in a while but be worth a quick email via info in QRZ.com, to 
determine if he could give you a sked.


Mal always had a big signal on top band.

GL

73  George  W8UVZ




- Original Message - 
From: "Peter Sundberg" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2015 5:05 AM
Subject: Topband: WAS 160


This morning, for the first time in a couple of years, I could hear/work a 
number of NA stations again with good signals.


This leads me to believe that I can finally complete WAS 160m this season 
by working someone in MS. Been stuck at 49 states for 4 years now...


Any suggestions as to who is active from MS on 160m with a good station? I 
am located at Lat 65.4N so geomagnetic disturbances are a big issue. The 
bigger the station is at the other end, the better.


73
Peter SM2CEW






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Re: Topband: WAS 160

2015-12-05 Thread K4OWR
 I'm new to this group, but have been a very active ham for all 58 
years licensed. I've become very interested in 160 especially since the 
other bands cndx are so terrible.
I have lots of land to play antennas with (15 flat acres) and currently 
have a full size dipole at 90', an inverted L with vertical leg almost 
100', and two 850' beverages; plus a 100' tower. I'm also running full 
power.


I have had great success contesting on this band (avg 1000qs) but not 
really much DX. My country total is about 15. I'm reading here about 
some people working DX and wondering about when I need to get on to hear 
this stuff. I see the word "overnight" but wondering around what time is 
best. I'm in east TN.

Bill K4OWR

On 12/5/2015 10:49 AM, Mike - W5JR wrote:

WQ5L has a very loud signal into GA from MS and he was on overnight during 
night 1 of the ARRL 160. For me, sigs from EU were not as strong as usual last 
night.

tnx
Mike / W5JR
Alpharetta GA


On Dec 5, 2015, at 8:29 AM, Douglas Ruz (CO8DM)  wrote:

I heard N4OGW from MS last night...

73Douglas, CO8DM

"No creo que haya alguna emoción más intensa para un inventor que ver alguna de sus 
creaciones funcionando. Esa emoción hace que uno se olvide de comer, de dormir, de 
todo." - Nikola Tesla
- Original Message - From: "Peter Sundberg" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2015 5:05 AM
Subject: Topband: WAS 160



This morning, for the first time in a couple of years, I could hear/work a 
number of NA stations again with good signals.

This leads me to believe that I can finally complete WAS 160m this season by 
working someone in MS. Been stuck at 49 states for 4 years now...

Any suggestions as to who is active from MS on 160m with a good station? I am 
located at Lat 65.4N so geomagnetic disturbances are a big issue. The bigger 
the station is at the other end, the better.

73
Peter SM2CEW






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Re: Topband: WAS 160

2015-12-05 Thread Mike - W5JR
WQ5L has a very loud signal into GA from MS and he was on overnight during 
night 1 of the ARRL 160. For me, sigs from EU were not as strong as usual last 
night. 

tnx
Mike / W5JR
Alpharetta GA

> On Dec 5, 2015, at 8:29 AM, Douglas Ruz (CO8DM)  wrote:
> 
> I heard N4OGW from MS last night...
> 
> 73Douglas, CO8DM
> 
> "No creo que haya alguna emoción más intensa para un inventor que ver alguna 
> de sus creaciones funcionando. Esa emoción hace que uno se olvide de comer, 
> de dormir, de todo." - Nikola Tesla
> - Original Message - From: "Peter Sundberg" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2015 5:05 AM
> Subject: Topband: WAS 160
> 
> 
>> This morning, for the first time in a couple of years, I could hear/work a 
>> number of NA stations again with good signals.
>> 
>> This leads me to believe that I can finally complete WAS 160m this season by 
>> working someone in MS. Been stuck at 49 states for 4 years now...
>> 
>> Any suggestions as to who is active from MS on 160m with a good station? I 
>> am located at Lat 65.4N so geomagnetic disturbances are a big issue. The 
>> bigger the station is at the other end, the better.
>> 
>> 73
>> Peter SM2CEW
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Topband: WAS 160

2015-12-05 Thread Douglas Ruz (CO8DM)

I heard N4OGW from MS last night...

73Douglas, CO8DM

"No creo que haya alguna emoción más intensa para un inventor que ver alguna 
de sus creaciones funcionando. Esa emoción hace que uno se olvide de comer, 
de dormir, de todo." - Nikola Tesla
- Original Message - 
From: "Peter Sundberg" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2015 5:05 AM
Subject: Topband: WAS 160


This morning, for the first time in a couple of years, I could hear/work a 
number of NA stations again with good signals.


This leads me to believe that I can finally complete WAS 160m this season 
by working someone in MS. Been stuck at 49 states for 4 years now...


Any suggestions as to who is active from MS on 160m with a good station? I 
am located at Lat 65.4N so geomagnetic disturbances are a big issue. The 
bigger the station is at the other end, the better.


73
Peter SM2CEW






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Topband: WAS 160

2015-12-05 Thread Peter Sundberg
This morning, for the first time in a couple of years, I could 
hear/work a number of NA stations again with good signals.


This leads me to believe that I can finally complete WAS 160m this 
season by working someone in MS. Been stuck at 49 states for 4 years now...


Any suggestions as to who is active from MS on 160m with a good 
station? I am located at Lat 65.4N so geomagnetic disturbances are a 
big issue. The bigger the station is at the other end, the better.


73
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