Re: Topband: Radio World; Noise Floor; Where do we go from here?

2016-12-16 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV 
Hi Art,

I have uVerse, as do a lot of neighbors around here, and a huge development
on the other side of US64 from me is mostly uVerse,

Of all the noises I have chased around here, uVerse has only been
responsible for very weak continuous tones, and those seem to have
gradually disappeared since they quit installing 2Wire 3800 gateway boxes
in favor of newer technology. I don't hear any of them today, as an
information point.

The old faithful dirty dozen of motor speed controllers, plain ole power
line buzz, plasma TV's, etc is really unchanged in the last ten years. I
haven't heard solar controllers yet. In any event, absent the dirty dozen,
the local background around here is S3/S4 and disappears in the band noise
as the band opens up. The S6, S7 is coming from ELSEWHERE, and requires an
open band to get here.

In that North American continental band noise, the real killer is lightning
QRN. There is almost never a day any more that does not have lightning in
North America somewhere, that is the controlling noise absent the dirty
dozen. Shall we add global warming to the list of culprits for forever
robbing us of QRN free winters? There is no doubt on this last issue as
such internet tools as http://en.blitzortung.org/live_lightning_maps.php
tell you 24 hours where all the static is coming from. It also shows the
powerful lightning storms that occur in dead of winter now out over our
east coast water that have nothing to attenuate them coming back to harass
our receivers. I have only noticed one lightning free evening in North
America this fall, soon to be official winter.

What is your rationale and data for dumping on uVerse? Not that they can't
be responsible for crap. But basis in fact to start with?

Not that I'm a fan, particularly, of everything AT does. BUT, we never
help ourselves any by pointing fingers where the point is not specifically
deserved. I got lots of street cred with them in getting a long term fix
for my QRO 160 getting into uVerse and rebooting 3800 gateway boxes, by
being specific, religiously factual, cooperative, giving them time to
figure things out, and being willing to try out new aspects to a fix one at
a time. They finally nailed it and have a book to repeat the fix for other
hams with 160/80/40 getting into gateway boxes.

Feeding them BS complaints would have derailed the entire improvement
process.

73, Guy K2AV

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Art Snapper  wrote:

> It is ironic  to see AT's filings, since their uVerse product is
> responsible for quite an increase in the noise floor on HF.
>
> Art NK8X
>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 11:18 AM,  wrote:
>
> > Greetings topbanders. . .we’ve had discussions before on the ever
> > increasing noise floor.  Looks like we’re not the only ones paying
> > attention.  I live in the country well outside the Des Moines area.  In
> the
> > past five years or so my noise floor has gone from –125 or –130 dbm to
> > about –100 db (or worse) as measured at daytime on my quarter wave
> vertical
> > with a bandwidth setting of 0.4 KHz.  It appears to be due to
> construction
> > of a few new houses even though they are 0.5 mile or more away.  See the
> > link below:
> >
> > http://www.radioworld.com/article/noise-floor-where-do-
> > we-go-from-here/300031
> >
> > 73 with the compliments of the Season. . . Dave, W0FLS
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Topband: Radio World; Noise Floor; Where do we go from here?

2016-12-16 Thread Art Snapper 
There are numerous reports on the web from hams experiencing RFI from and
to Uverse.  My main point is AT was complaining about receiving RFI,
without keeping their own house clean.
73,
Art NK8X


On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV 
wrote:

> Hi Art,
>
> I have uVerse, as do a lot of neighbors around here, and a huge
> development on the other side of US64 from me is mostly uVerse,
>
> Of all the noises I have chased around here, uVerse has only been
> responsible for very weak continuous tones, and those seem to have
> gradually disappeared since they quit installing 2Wire 3800 gateway boxes
> in favor of newer technology. I don't hear any of them today, as an
> information point.
>
> The old faithful dirty dozen of motor speed controllers, plain ole power
> line buzz, plasma TV's, etc is really unchanged in the last ten years. I
> haven't heard solar controllers yet. In any event, absent the dirty dozen,
> the local background around here is S3/S4 and disappears in the band noise
> as the band opens up. The S6, S7 is coming from ELSEWHERE, and requires an
> open band to get here.
>
> In that North American continental band noise, the real killer is
> lightning QRN. There is almost never a day any more that does not have
> lightning in North America somewhere, that is the controlling noise absent
> the dirty dozen. Shall we add global warming to the list of culprits for
> forever robbing us of QRN free winters? There is no doubt on this last
> issue as such internet tools as http://en.blitzortung.org/
> live_lightning_maps.php tell you 24 hours where all the static is coming
> from. It also shows the powerful lightning storms that occur in dead of
> winter now out over our east coast water that have nothing to attenuate
> them coming back to harass our receivers. I have only noticed one lightning
> free evening in North America this fall, soon to be official winter.
>
> What is your rationale and data for dumping on uVerse? Not that they can't
> be responsible for crap. But basis in fact to start with?
>
> Not that I'm a fan, particularly, of everything AT does. BUT, we never
> help ourselves any by pointing fingers where the point is not specifically
> deserved. I got lots of street cred with them in getting a long term fix
> for my QRO 160 getting into uVerse and rebooting 3800 gateway boxes, by
> being specific, religiously factual, cooperative, giving them time to
> figure things out, and being willing to try out new aspects to a fix one at
> a time. They finally nailed it and have a book to repeat the fix for other
> hams with 160/80/40 getting into gateway boxes.
>
> Feeding them BS complaints would have derailed the entire improvement
> process.
>
> 73, Guy K2AV
>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Art Snapper  wrote:
>
>> It is ironic  to see AT's filings, since their uVerse product is
>> responsible for quite an increase in the noise floor on HF.
>>
>> Art NK8X
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 11:18 AM,  wrote:
>>
>> > Greetings topbanders. . .we’ve had discussions before on the ever
>> > increasing noise floor.  Looks like we’re not the only ones paying
>> > attention.  I live in the country well outside the Des Moines area.  In
>> the
>> > past five years or so my noise floor has gone from –125 or –130 dbm to
>> > about –100 db (or worse) as measured at daytime on my quarter wave
>> vertical
>> > with a bandwidth setting of 0.4 KHz.  It appears to be due to
>> construction
>> > of a few new houses even though they are 0.5 mile or more away.  See the
>> > link below:
>> >
>> > http://www.radioworld.com/article/noise-floor-where-do-
>> > we-go-from-here/300031
>> >
>> > 73 with the compliments of the Season. . . Dave, W0FLS
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: Topband: Radio World; Noise Floor; Where do we go from here?

2016-12-16 Thread Art Snapper 
It is ironic  to see AT's filings, since their uVerse product is
responsible for quite an increase in the noise floor on HF.

Art NK8X

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 11:18 AM,  wrote:

> Greetings topbanders. . .we’ve had discussions before on the ever
> increasing noise floor.  Looks like we’re not the only ones paying
> attention.  I live in the country well outside the Des Moines area.  In the
> past five years or so my noise floor has gone from –125 or –130 dbm to
> about –100 db (or worse) as measured at daytime on my quarter wave vertical
> with a bandwidth setting of 0.4 KHz.  It appears to be due to construction
> of a few new houses even though they are 0.5 mile or more away.  See the
> link below:
>
> http://www.radioworld.com/article/noise-floor-where-do-
> we-go-from-here/300031
>
> 73 with the compliments of the Season. . . Dave, W0FLS
>
>
>
>
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Topband: Radio World; Noise Floor; Where do we go from here?

2016-12-16 Thread daraymond 
Greetings topbanders. . .we’ve had discussions before on the ever increasing 
noise floor.  Looks like we’re not the only ones paying attention.  I live in 
the country well outside the Des Moines area.  In the past five years or so my 
noise floor has gone from –125 or –130 dbm to about –100 db (or worse) as 
measured at daytime on my quarter wave vertical with a bandwidth setting of 0.4 
KHz.  It appears to be due to construction of a few new houses even though they 
are 0.5 mile or more away.  See the link below:

http://www.radioworld.com/article/noise-floor-where-do-we-go-from-here/300031

73 with the compliments of the Season. . . Dave, W0FLS




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Topband: VY1AAA in Stew this weekend

2016-12-16 Thread Ed K1EP 
I will be operating VY1AAA in the Stew this weekend after the RAC contest
ends after 00Z.  Turn your beams up to the great northwest.  Okay, probably
many of you don't have yagis on 160M, but try that NW beverage some times
to listen for me.
Ed K1EP
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