Re: Topband: Top Band and JT65

[Dale Putnam]

10 watts??? really?

That is QRO power..

Try ONE watt on 160.. cw.!!


Have a great day,
--... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy

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1856 - Abraham Lincoln



From: Topband  on behalf of Brian Pease 

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 6:41 PM
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: Top Band and JT65

10 Watts is considered high power on the digital modes.  Is using 1000
Watts on 160m (+20dB) and 250Hz receive filters (+10dB) on both ends of
a CW QSO more challenging than 10W on JT65 on the same link?  Perhaps not.

On 5/15/2017 7:44 PM, Jim Murray via Topband wrote:
>  I hate to weigh in on this since it's been beaten to death already but 
> just another opinion.  Over the years I've tried several digital modes 
> starting with psk31.  There weren't many  signals on the band at that time 
> but now I see there are many.  Not to long ago I ventured into JT65 and JT9.  
> Quite a learning curve for an Ol'timer.  I considered all the digital 
> operation as something new to learn for a change and enjoyed the learning 
> part.  Once I got everything running properly I would begin to loose 
> interest.  To me, just not the challenge of dxing mostly cw and ssb.  Seems 
> the biggest skill comes from the people who write the software like Joe 
> Taylor or Peter Martinez.  From that point you just click the mouse or type 
> on the keyboard.  Very impersonal at times using F key exchanges etc..  But, 
> that's just ones opinion.  Whatever floats your boat.
>
> Jimk2hn
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Re: Topband: Top Band and JT65

[Brian Pease]

10 Watts is considered high power on the digital modes.  Is using 1000 
Watts on 160m (+20dB) and 250Hz receive filters (+10dB) on both ends of 
a CW QSO more challenging than 10W on JT65 on the same link?  Perhaps not.


On 5/15/2017 7:44 PM, Jim Murray via Topband wrote:

 I hate to weigh in on this since it's been beaten to death already but 
just another opinion.  Over the years I've tried several digital modes starting 
with psk31.  There weren't many  signals on the band at that time but now I see 
there are many.  Not to long ago I ventured into JT65 and JT9.  Quite a 
learning curve for an Ol'timer.  I considered all the digital operation as 
something new to learn for a change and enjoyed the learning part.  Once I got 
everything running properly I would begin to loose interest.  To me, just not 
the challenge of dxing mostly cw and ssb.  Seems the biggest skill comes from 
the people who write the software like Joe Taylor or Peter Martinez.  From that 
point you just click the mouse or type on the keyboard.  Very impersonal at 
times using F key exchanges etc..  But, that's just ones opinion.  Whatever 
floats your boat.

Jimk2hn
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Re: Topband: Top Band and JT65

[Jim Murray via Topband]

    I hate to weigh in on this since it's been beaten to death already but just 
another opinion.  Over the years I've tried several digital modes starting with 
psk31.  There weren't many  signals on the band at that time but now I see 
there are many.  Not to long ago I ventured into JT65 and JT9.  Quite a 
learning curve for an Ol'timer.  I considered all the digital operation as 
something new to learn for a change and enjoyed the learning part.  Once I got 
everything running properly I would begin to loose interest.  To me, just not 
the challenge of dxing mostly cw and ssb.  Seems the biggest skill comes from 
the people who write the software like Joe Taylor or Peter Martinez.  From that 
point you just click the mouse or type on the keyboard.  Very impersonal at 
times using F key exchanges etc..  But, that's just ones opinion.  Whatever 
floats your boat.

Jimk2hn 
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Re: Topband: Top Band and JT65

[Richard Beerman]

Gentlemen, The topic of WSJT came up at the Central States VHF Society 
gathering about 12 to 15 years ago in Milwaukee. There were some very angry old 
timers who, like some here, had earned awards on CW and phone and felt that the 
awards were being “cheapened” by the use of WSJT on meteor scatter and 
particularly on EME. WSJT continued to attract a lot of new operators to VHF. 
Today, folks are running the new version of WSJT-X on 6 meters meteor scatter 
all day long. 

Over the years, there has been a small but vocal group of mainly European EME 
operators who insist on working CW ONLY. Almost all the meteor scatter and EME 
work in North America and Europe is  being done on WSJT today. All DXpeditions 
are running WSJT on EME (mainly 2 meters, but occasionally 6 meters as well). 
WSJT is popular on 432 MHz EME and some folks are using it on 23 cm, where CW 
is still popular.

Point that I am trying to make is that time marches on and new modes are always 
going to be developed. It’s a hobby not a vocation. If you want to operate CW 
and collect CW awards on 160 or any other band, then have fun. In the end, I 
bet that there will be more and more digital operating on TB, just as occurred 
on VHF. By the way, even though WSJT “reduces” by about 6 db in EME station 
performance requirements (ie power output, antenna gain, etc), the operator is 
not just a "computer accessory" One must have to decide when a trace is a valid 
EME signal (not a birdie) and react to it. 

I do not think that WSJT would lend itself well to 160 contesting or even in 
working DXpeditions. The contacts take too long.It works well for VHF 
contesting where the number of active stations is much smaller.So, I really do 
not think that there is much about WSJT to cause major heartburn among the 160 
meter old timers.  73’s Dick  W5AK
> On May 15, 2017, at 6:17 AM, CT1EKD  wrote:
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> I already saw this discussion on EME foruns, then at HF foruns and now at Top 
> Band...
> The Facts are that JT65 (or JT9) is MORE sensitive, USE IT it if you want 
> to... just like the QRP versus QRO , use it if you want to.
> You can find me on 1838.
> 
> Pedro - CT1EKD
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Re: Topband: Top Band and JT65

[CT1EKD]

I already saw this discussion on EME foruns, then at HF foruns and now  
at Top Band...
The Facts are that JT65 (or JT9) is MORE sensitive, USE IT it if you  
want to... just like the QRP versus QRO , use it if you want to.

You can find me on 1838.

Pedro - CT1EKD






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