Re: Topband: removing ft8 from dxcc waz was etc

[Glenn Wyant]

Sorry to offend you Dougand Martin
However when another ham tries to tell me what I should or should not
Operate, well I take offense.
In this case Martin  does not like FT8
Thats fine, however when he starts saying it should not count for dxcc waz was 
etc
For dxcc was waz etc , which would affect myself a lot of other hams, 
I find it offensive that  he would agree to remove those awards from me. 

Martin came on the reflector and basically degraded all those 
who use ft8.  I found it offensive and told him his summary
of our operating is not needed there. I did not ask that he be
Banished, as was his claim.

I believe a hams personal operating preference is his option.
We don’t need to judge others based on our own personal beliefs.

If I have offended anyone here , I apoligize.

Glenn 


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From: Doug Renwick
Sent: March 10, 2021 9:40 AM
To: 'Glenn Wyant'; mar...@ok1rr.com
Cc: topband@contesting.com
Subject: RE: *SPAM* Re: Topband: CQ Zones

And Tree continues to let a$$holes like VA3DX to post here. I should look at
changing my callsign to show no similarity to Glenn's.

Doug/VA5DX

Free Climbing - The ultimate test of strength and technique.

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From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces+ve5ra=sasktel@contesting.com] On
Behalf Of Glenn Wyant
Sent: March-09-21 7:46 PM
To: mar...@ok1rr.com
Cc: topband@contesting.com
Subject: *SPAM* Re: Topband: CQ Zones

And you decide whether any of us deserve to follow our own preferences!
We don't need you as a dumb ass wanna be leader.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 9, 2021, at 18:25, Martin Kratoska  wrote:
> 
> Glenn (VA3DX),
> 
> BRAVO, I applaud!
> 
> So you claim the privilege to decide who should leave and who is allowed
to stay. And you will do it for ALL members of the list. You are a brilliant
character. The life with you must be a marvel.
> 
> Stay safe, 73
> Martin, OK1RR


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Re: Topband: CQ Zones

[Glenn Wyant]

And you decide whether any of us deserve to follow our own preferences!
We don't need you as a dumb ass wanna be leader.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 9, 2021, at 18:25, Martin Kratoska  wrote:
> 
> Glenn (VA3DX),
> 
> BRAVO, I applaud!
> 
> So you claim the privilege to decide who should leave and who is allowed to 
> stay. And you will do it for ALL members of the list. You are a brilliant 
> character. The life with you must be a marvel.
> 
> Stay safe, 73
> Martin, OK1RR
> 
> 
> Dne 09. 03. 21 v 21:23 Glenn Wyant napsal(a):
>> And Martin there is no need for you stay here.
>> Obviously you don't need us , you are so much better than us ft8 Cw ssb rtty 
>> etc etc ops
>> Glenn VA3DX
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 9, 2021, at 11:40, Martin Kratoska  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Bob et al,
>>> 
>>> all these rules can be preprogrammed into SV5DKL's robot which can "do the 
>>> QSO". Otherwise I can tell my dog where to paw, he would be possibly a 
>>> better FT8 "operator" than mine.
>>> 
>>> There is no need of ears, hands, brain or any knowledge. All the task can 
>>> be robotized. This does DEFINITELY NOT qualify as ham radio. I am very 
>>> sorry that I don't have any better news for you.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Martin, OK1RR
>>> 
>>> P.S. Any FT8 yes/no dispute is meaningless, at least in this mailing list, 
>>> isn't?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dne 09. 03. 21 v 17:19 Chortek, Robert L. napsal(a):
>>>> Actually, it is ham radio.
>>>> 
>>>> Have you spent any time with the mode?
>>>> 
>>>> For example,
>>>> 
>>>> 1. Have you identified a country you need for a bond slot or ATNO?
>>>> 
>>>> 2.  Have you determined the best time of year, time of day, and band to 
>>>> see if a station from that country is on?
>>>> 
>>>> 3. Have you searched the decodes daily for a station from that country?
>>>> 
>>>> 4. After spending days hunting that DX, have you FINALLY managed to be 
>>>> there when the propagation was favorable?
>>>> 
>>>> 5.  Have you then, after all that, called that DX and made the contact?
>>>> 
>>>> If that does not qualify as ham radio, I’m not sure what does.
>>>> 
>>>> 73,
>>>> 
>>>> Bob/AA6VB
>>>> Robert L. Chortek
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 9, 2021, at 8:04 AM, ok1tn  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> [External Email]
>>>> 
>>>> FT4 FT8 is just a computer game. It's not a ham radio
>>>> OK1TN
>>>> --
>>>> 73 Slavek Zeler
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- Původní e-mail --
>>>> Od: Chortek, Robert L. 
>>>> Komu: Joe Subich, W4TV 
>>>> Datum: 9. 3. 2021 16:31:21
>>>> Předmět: Re: Topband: CQ Zones
>>>> THANK YOU JOE! That pretty much captures the debate.
>>>> 
>>>> 73,
>>>> 
>>>> Bob/AA6VB
>>>> Robert L. Chortek
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 9, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> [External Email]
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh PLEASE! You sound just like AM phone operators when SSB came
>>>>> along. And spark operators when CW started to replace it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The first DX was nothing more than single letters ...
>>>>> 
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> 
>>>>> ... Joe, W4TV
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2021-03-09 10:10 AM, Karel Matousek wrote:
>>>>>> I agree wit Martin OK1RR.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I cannot endorse FT4, FT8 for the ARRL DXCC Program.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> IMHO, this should NEVER be allowed unless qualified in a separate rules
>>>>>> category!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Karel OK1CF
>>>>>> __
>>>>>>> Od: "Martin Kratoska" 
>>>>>>> Komu: topband@contesting.com
>>>>>>> Datum: 09.03.2021 15:37
>>>>>>> Předmět: Re: Topband: CQ Zones
>>>>>> Oh, FT8 should be proclaimed as illegal for DXCC (WAZ, WAS etc.) in
>>>>>> mixed categories.
>>>>>> This "mode" should be counted completely separated from traditional
>>>>>> modes like CW or SSB.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>> Martin, OK1RR
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dne 09. 03. 21 v 15:16 Ian Fugler napsal(a):
>>>>>>> Hi, Dave
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Zone 23 - JT5DX will be your man. He is active in contests and puts
>>>>>> out a good signal.
>>>>>>> Zone 24 - will be more of a challenge. I have worked XX9D and a
>>>>>> couple of BY stations. But you may need to use FT8 for the BY stations,
>>>>>> since they seem strongly to prefer that mode.
>>>>>>> 73 and GL!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ian G4iiY
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Re: Topband: CQ Zones

[Glenn Wyant]

And Martin there is no need for you stay here.
Obviously you don't need us , you are so much better than us ft8 Cw ssb rtty 
etc etc ops
Glenn VA3DX

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 9, 2021, at 11:40, Martin Kratoska  wrote:
> 
> Bob et al,
> 
> all these rules can be preprogrammed into SV5DKL's robot which can "do the 
> QSO". Otherwise I can tell my dog where to paw, he would be possibly a better 
> FT8 "operator" than mine.
> 
> There is no need of ears, hands, brain or any knowledge. All the task can be 
> robotized. This does DEFINITELY NOT qualify as ham radio. I am very sorry 
> that I don't have any better news for you.
> 
> 73,
> Martin, OK1RR
> 
> P.S. Any FT8 yes/no dispute is meaningless, at least in this mailing list, 
> isn't?
> 
> 
> Dne 09. 03. 21 v 17:19 Chortek, Robert L. napsal(a):
>> Actually, it is ham radio.
>> 
>> Have you spent any time with the mode?
>> 
>> For example,
>> 
>> 1. Have you identified a country you need for a bond slot or ATNO?
>> 
>> 2.  Have you determined the best time of year, time of day, and band to see 
>> if a station from that country is on?
>> 
>> 3. Have you searched the decodes daily for a station from that country?
>> 
>> 4. After spending days hunting that DX, have you FINALLY managed to be there 
>> when the propagation was favorable?
>> 
>> 5.  Have you then, after all that, called that DX and made the contact?
>> 
>> If that does not qualify as ham radio, I’m not sure what does.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Bob/AA6VB
>> Robert L. Chortek
>> 
>> On Mar 9, 2021, at 8:04 AM, ok1tn  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> [External Email]
>> 
>> FT4 FT8 is just a computer game. It's not a ham radio
>> OK1TN
>> --
>> 73 Slavek Zeler
>> 
>> 
>> -- Původní e-mail --
>> Od: Chortek, Robert L. 
>> Komu: Joe Subich, W4TV 
>> Datum: 9. 3. 2021 16:31:21
>> Předmět: Re: Topband: CQ Zones
>> THANK YOU JOE! That pretty much captures the debate.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Bob/AA6VB
>> Robert L. Chortek
>> 
>>> On Mar 9, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV  wrote:
>>> 
>>> [External Email]
>>> 
>>> Oh PLEASE! You sound just like AM phone operators when SSB came
>>> along. And spark operators when CW started to replace it.
>>> 
>>> The first DX was nothing more than single letters ...
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> 
>>> ... Joe, W4TV
>>> 
>>> 
 On 2021-03-09 10:10 AM, Karel Matousek wrote:
 I agree wit Martin OK1RR.
 
 I cannot endorse FT4, FT8 for the ARRL DXCC Program.
 
 IMHO, this should NEVER be allowed unless qualified in a separate rules
 category!
 
 Karel OK1CF
 __
> Od: "Martin Kratoska" 
> Komu: topband@contesting.com
> Datum: 09.03.2021 15:37
> Předmět: Re: Topband: CQ Zones
 Oh, FT8 should be proclaimed as illegal for DXCC (WAZ, WAS etc.) in
 mixed categories.
 This "mode" should be counted completely separated from traditional
 modes like CW or SSB.
 
 73,
 Martin, OK1RR
 
 
 Dne 09. 03. 21 v 15:16 Ian Fugler napsal(a):
> Hi, Dave
> 
> Zone 23 - JT5DX will be your man. He is active in contests and puts
 out a good signal.
> Zone 24 - will be more of a challenge. I have worked XX9D and a
 couple of BY stations. But you may need to use FT8 for the BY stations,
 since they seem strongly to prefer that mode.
> 73 and GL!
> 
> Ian G4iiY
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Re: Topband: DXCC Committee.

[Glenn Wyant]

Remember the Suitland dxpedition KJ9DX ?
We all worked it for a fake country and they qsl'd everyone through the bureaus 
!

Glenn va3dx ve3icr

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> On Mar 24, 2020, at 00:59, John K9UWA  wrote:
> 
> Or   RG8U confirmed on 6 bands
> John k9uwa
> 
> 
>> On 23 Mar 2020 at 17:45, Mike Waters wrote:
>> 
>> How about 5Y3GT?  ;-)
> John Goller, K9UWA & Jean Goller, N9PXF 
> Antique Radio Restorations
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Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

[Glenn Wyant]

Hans,

Do you ever get away from presenting all of us
with your " negative ham radio " comments in
regards to FT8 ?

I dont think I have ever seen any comments from
yourself that were actually promoting the hobby.

Glenn VA3DX

- Original Message - 
From: "Hans Hjelmström" 

To: "W0MU Mike Fatchett" 
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband



And its even not Ham  radio.Its fake PC Computer business.
Sorry.Its the end of Ham radio
Hans SM6CVX



10 jan 2020 kl. 20:06 skrev W0MU Mike Fatchett :

1.5 million hits for FT8? WOW!

On 1/10/2020 11:38 AM, Herbert Schoenbohm wrote:

I know the purists will flame me for this but look at the
frequency conservation this would present and look at the activity
statistics for only the past couple of hours,

AIf the contest was designed well sub-channels could be recommended for 
the

various continents as Stew Perry use to urge for intercontinental QSO's
from 1825-1830.

Here are the amazing stats for only two hours.

Modes over last 2 hours
Mode Count
FT8 1549146
FT4 41733
JS8 7895
CW 6894
PSK31 433
JT65 383
OPERA 132
JT9 65
MSK144 37
OLIVIA 22
OLIVIA 8 22
JT6M 18
ROS 14
DOMINO 13
PI4 12
OLIVIA-8 9
PSK63 9
FSK441 8
JT65B 7
WSPR 6
RTTY 5
MT63-500 1
SIM31 1
THOR 1
THOR22 1
PSK 1
CONTESTI 1

What do you think?


Herb, KV4FZ




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Re: Topband: A Bit of Zone 2 History Was Made Last Week

[Glenn Wyant]

Doug, and many of us who over time , have learned
to ignore your useless comments.

Glenn VA3DX

- Original Message - 
From: "Doug Renwick" 

To: ; 
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2019 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: Topband: A Bit of Zone 2 History Was Made Last Week


I congratulate you on your effort. However there are many of us who do not
consider FT8 as a 'legitimate' QSO.
Doug

"The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits."
Albert Einstein

-Original Message-

08 Nov 2019


Hi Gang
Jeff and I just got back from a one week "mini dx'pedition" to ZONE 2.
Three ferries and about a 2400km roundtrip drive to 50.112 North from PEI
was made with the express purpose of giving ZONE 2 to our JA 160m friends.
Prior to our trip, only one single JA station had ever managed a qso with
ZONE 2 on Topband and that was JA7HMZ about 35 years ago - so this zone was
much needed by most 160m JA dx'ers. Quite of few of our 160m JA friends
have been stuck at 39 zones on 160m for many years - so this was our chance
to help them get ZONE 2 for #40.
So without too much bandwidth - here is our report:
QRV 31 October to 04 November 2019
Roughly 350 stations worked on Topband - in 42 DXCC countries (we could have
worked more but we took lots of time off in order to sleep and then get up
for the JA window from about 0715z - 1110z.)
We tried some CW but signals were very very weak and FT8 proved the only
possible way to complete contacts to JA.
It was pretty exciting to work these (6) JA friends:
JF8QNF
JA8EAT
JA7NI
JA1BK
JA8WKE
JA3FYC
We decoded no other JA signals on our side- but we know we were decoded by
these other JA stations:
JH7PFD (two decodes)
JE6KYA (one decode)
JA1EOD (several decodes).
Epilogue:
We think that each JA qso that was made completed WAZ 40 on Topband for
these JA friends. (meaning ZONE 2 was most likely their last one needed).
Steve VK6IR called us on ON4KST chat saying he had been chasing ZONE 2 on
80m for 5BWAZ for 45 years and asked if we could work him on 80m. We did
not know about 80m since the antenna had not been tested for that band but,
after checking it with my analyst, I found it resonated at about 3778kHz.
Steve said he could not do SSB there - so I asked him if he could do
digital. YES! was his reply and we managed a qso on FT8 a few minutes
later.
After we uploaded our LOG FILE to LOTW (completed on 06 November) - within
minutes there were 37 DXCC entities instantly confirmed via LOTW - including
VK6IR and all (6) lucky JA friends we had worked.
So we are happy we helped some of our JA friends with WAZ 40 - and, at the
same time, we are a bit disappointed that we could not do more. The A/K
were lousy on nights one and two - things got better on night 3 when we
worked the first 4 JA's - nights 5 and 6 produced one JA qso each - meaning
JA8WKE and JA3FYC.
One amusing final fact - it was roughly a 2400km trip to there and back - so
this works out to about 400km per JA qso.
KOWABUNGA! but we had a great time trying this - and are pleased we had
some limited success in doing so.
We wish to mention our special thanks to Don Toman (K2KQ) and to Frank
Donovan (W3LPL) for their kind assistance with our antenna planning. Their
input and suggestions were invaluable in making this happen!
73/88 de Miriam (VY2NA) and Jeff VY2ZM
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Re: Topband: Topband Digest, Vol 197, Issue 22

[Glenn Wyant]

# 373   August 10, 1990

VE3ICR.Now va3dx

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> On May 25, 2019, at 12:46, <57jndenn...@comcast.net> 
> <57jndenn...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Earned 160M DXCC on May 31, 2018.  Certificate 3151
> 
> 73, Jim K7EG
> 
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> Subject: Topband Digest, Vol 197, Issue 22
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>   1. 160m DXCCs issued? (wb6r...@mac.com)
>   2. Re: 160m DXCCs issued? (Wes)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 13:07:42 -0700
> From: wb6r...@mac.com
> To: Top Band List List 
> Subject: Topband: 160m DXCCs issued?
> Message-ID: <8c606486-cf09-4f9b-8114-b45f249a1...@mac.com>
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> 
> Have you earned your 160m DXCC certifcate in the last 6 months or so?
> 
> Please let me know the date and cert #. I'm updating a presentation using
> this stat.
> 
> In 2005 the number issued was a bit over 1100.
> 
> TU & 73 - Steve WB6RSE
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 14:00:57 -0700
> From: Wes 
> To: topband@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: Topband: 160m DXCCs issued?
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> Earned it sometime ago but recently decided to spend the $$.? January 2,
> 2019? 
> No 3229.
> 
> Wes? N7WS
> 
>> On 5/24/2019 1:07 PM, Steve Lawrence via Topband wrote:
>> Have you earned your 160m DXCC certifcate in the last 6 months or so?
>> 
>> Please let me know the date and cert #. I'm updating a presentation using
> this stat.
>> 
>> In 2005 the number issued was a bit over 1100.
>> 
>> TU & 73 - Steve WB6RSE
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Re: Topband: My Personal Thinking

[Glenn Wyant]

Personally I find these thoughts disturbing.
Are we to judge ourselves and our morals , interests etc
against the beliefs of some unknown individual, sitting
at his keyboard from god knows where ?

Ed you are basically saying that those who use modes (ft8)
not approved by " your standards are unworthy".

If you feel ft8 etc is not for you, thats fine, but do not
begrade others by the operating choices they make.

It seems that the reflectors have provided a forum for some
folks to accuse and berate others who have dissimilar interests.

I feel that this behaviour in the long run will be the eventual
demise of the hobby. Although I hope I am wrong.


Glenn VA3DX



Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 5:17 PM
Subject: Topband: My Personal Thinking



Ed, N1UR said:
-  If we continue to facilitate such nonsense, they we deserve 
what
we get in my opinion.  If we decide that the band counter is so important 
we
don't care how we have to get it, then its time to look in the mirror 
folks.

-  On the other hand, maybe some people are happier with the
computer doing the heavy lifting of digging out the QSO.  Personally, 
count

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Re: Topband: Inverted L successes

[Glenn Wyant]

Since 1984, only inverted L , no RX antennas, city lot , city noise, inv L ( 
70' vertical ), near Toronto, 277 dxcc countries worked and confirmed. Va3dx

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> On Aug 31, 2017, at 17:15, garyk9gs  wrote:
> 
> But being 800+ miles closer to EU (many countries there compared to North 
> America) and a path that is largely over salt water is a huge advantage, 
> particularly on the low bands.
> 
> 
> 73-Gary K9GS 
>  Original message From: Carl  Date: 
> 8/31/17  3:08 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: GaryK9GS , 
> topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Inverted L successes 
> Most of LI is glacial sand and only the coastal areas benefit verticals.
> 
> Carl
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "GaryK9GS" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 8:22 PM
> Subject: Re: Topband: Inverted L successes
> 
> 
>> 
>> I suspect that your success is largely due to your location on Long 
>> Island.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Gary K9GS
>>  Original message From: jayb1...@optonline.net Date: 
>> 8/28/17  5:22 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Doug Ellmore , 
>> topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Inverted L successes
>> Last fall I installed an “S-9” 43 ft vertical, added a tapped loading coil
>> at the base, with 10 on-the-ground radials about 100 ft long randomly run
>> all over my 60x90 house plot. Rig is 300 watts - Started on 160 DXCC with
>> 32 entities, finished DXCC in one winter season.
>> My secret: JT65  (tnx K1JT)
>> Try anything – you will be amazed how successful you can be on top-band
>> with a little patience and VERY modest antennas. 73, Jay NY2NY
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Re: Topband: Top Band and JT65

[Glenn Wyant]

If an amateur has interest in  psk, jt65 etc or EME, cw or any band
or mode; it is not for us to judge his particular interests.

VA3DX


- Original Message - 
From: 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: Top Band and JT65


Promised myself I'd stay out of this, but it's getting 
ridiculousComments like "I worked 20 new ones on 160, and I never 
heard any of them!". Wow! That's amazing...I personally can't find any 
satisfaction in claiming a contact I never heard. I never have...Yes, 
the digi modes allow easier qso's that would never have been made, but 
let's face it, you never made those contacts, your computer & it's 
software did. Any resulting "Awards" should be made out to your 
computer. Meteor scatter used to be very popular, actually getting to 
hear the excited voices of those you worked was thrilling. One m/s qso 
of mine was with a yl from the Carolinas with a most delightful Southern 
accent...hard to duplicate with digi modes. I don't know anyone who 
works or talks about rocks anymoreno challenge. Same with eme, which 
I pulled the plug on when it was no longer a challenge. How many new eme 
operators have heard their own voices coming back from the moon?  I 
migrated to TopBand as one of the last real challenges left


I find the litany of excuses about why one has to go to digital means on 
160 to be feeble at best." My rig can't cut it, I don't have the 
antennas, I can't copy code (one of the real elephants in the room!), my 
location isn't on the coast where it's easy, etc, etc". There are MANY 
dxers operating successfully on small lots, and there are a myriad of 
clever, small receiving antennas out there. How about the gentleman on 
the left coast who worked DXCC on 160 from his mobile!! (without digital 
modes).


My TopBand rig is quite modest, no towers or rotors. The TX antennas are 
wires hanging from trees with no more than 50' vertical rise. The 16 
radials under each are only 48' long. Desperately needing a new rig, I 
bought the very cheapest HF transceiver on the market (no DSP, keyer, 
antenna tuner, etc). My location in Upper Michigan is not near either 
coast for "easy" dx, but is unfortunately close to the auroral oval. My 
amp was a non-working "gift" that doesn't run full power. However, I 
have 233 countries & 37 zones confirmed on 160. I have personally HEARD 
every qso made & have decoded them as necessary, in my HEAD. I don't 
spot myself or arrange skedsI don't have a computer in the shack.


If ham radio was to go all digital, I would walk away from itNot 
because I'm a curmudgeon, but simply because the challenge and resulting 
thrills would be gone.


Lest you think I am a ignorant technophobe, I am a degreed electrical 
engineer and have been a ham for over 60 years. I have a fine computer & 
am on it actively every daybut I never pretend that it's ham radio.


I realize from the comment below that it's rather boring to work digi 
modes, but I suspect that help is on the wayI am truly surprised 
that no one has produced an "app" that will take the remaining work out 
of it. You would simply download the app, check the appropriate boxes 
(DXCC, WAS, WAZ), select the desired bands, and turn it loose 24 hours a 
day. It would make all the contacts for you (with similar robo-stations) 
and send you a text or email when it's through. Heck, it could even 
apply for your desired awards, and then wake up your printer to print 
your award certificate out! It would then send another message to pick 
up your awardHow truly exciting that would be.


Brian K8BHZ


2017 12:39 AM, DXer wrote:

>>>To me, just not the challenge of dxing mostly cw and ssb.

Fair enough. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Another angle. I find JT65 to be a very relaxing mode. Which other 
mode allows one to read and write emails, go get a coffee, answer 
'nature's call', etc. while making contacts? Timing is important, but 
doable. :^)


73 de Vince, VA3VF
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Re: Topband: Stew

[Glenn Wyant]

  Is" AH  " some sort of Gentlemans secret code ?
  Surely it cant be what I think !
  Not double standards in the Stew !

  va3dx



Subject: Topband: Stew


 Spent a total of 4 hours in the SP. Activity, at least from here in 
east TN, was lower than previous. The logger got to the point where it 
said "dupe, dupe, dupe"constantly.

DX would just appear out of nowhere...Italy, Germany, Venezuela.
 This morning I caught a VK6 working a K1 and tried to tail end. The 
guy would not give up the Fx for a second to let me work the DX. I sent 
AH, and he sent ?, I sent AH, and he sent ? Guess he didn't get it. I 
was dialed up to 2kw at that moment so I know he heard me, but he was 
not going to standby. The "gentleman's band" huh?

BILL K4OWR


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Re: Topband: K1N antenna

[Glenn Wyant]

02:35 GMT  SQ8J calling K1n on  1819.5

He is 599 +10-15 db on my Inv  L

Hard to beleive !

Glenn va3dx

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Re: Topband: CQWW160 Remote receiver rule

[Glenn Wyant]

Assuming that someone could easily travel to a remote site ,
without actually discussing this matter with them , seems
wrong.

In   NF  the WX can get very nasty in a big hurray.
60 mph winds and blowing snow is common.

Since many of us are over 65 or  approaching the big
senior status plateau , there are restrictions that would
prevent us from driving out to the RX site. If you cant
think of any, then you must be under 50

At least Frank gets on and provides the Mult... having the RX
capabilities most likely prompts him to make more qsos  vs a bare
minimum effort.

I know that if I could hear better on TB,  I would certainly give
a larger effort ...

Perhaps the remote RX should be located within your GRID
or a maximum of 50 miles from your qth , whatever...
I am sure there will be many suggestions here.

Glenn VA3DX





Subject: Topband: CQWW160 Remote receiver rule



VO1HP writes:


In my view I don't see anything wrong with using the SDR in the contest to
increase my participation and satisfaction  and provide the NF mult. 
...but the

rules are the rules ...so be it for now.


My remote station has been in operation for several years.  It is about 10 
miles from my house.
It is setup for transmitting and receiving.  What I found out from 
participating remotely in a Stew Perry or two is that it just wasn't the 
same experience for me, and I would still go to the site to operate CQ160.
When the site receive capabilities were degraded, I found a new place 75 
km away.  I go there for the weekend and set it all up for the Contest. 
The Receive capabilities are better, but not the TX.  Many times I wished 
that I could use my remote to call a multiplier and increase my score, but 
the rules are the rules.


It does not seem to me that it would be too difficult for you to drive to 
your  RX site only 50km away, put up an Inverted L antenna and actually 
give out multipliers that count.


73,

Niko AC6DD
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Re: Topband: Help put Haiti on topband

[Glenn Wyant]

I have worked HH on 160  nine times since 1984

however since 1996 only one

In 2010 March I worked  HH4/K4QD

nothing since ..

Glenn VA3DX


: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: Help put Haiti on topband



I'm in Wisconsin and I've never worked Haiti on topband either.
I believe there is a large stateside demand for HH on 160m.

73

Lloyd - N9LB


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Topband: G3FPQ SK

[Glenn Wyant]

Aside from 160 meters, David was my first G and second European
qso on 6 meters , back in 2006

Not too long ago I had a real nice long chat with him...
His voice still rings within me ...

Glenn VA3DX


G3FPQ, David Courtier-Dutton, passed away on Sunday February 3rd. 
He was 79. 


Roger
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Re: Topband: Unintentional QRM on TB

[Glenn Wyant]

If you hear a DX station working people , and cant hear the
callers ... well I suggest you tune around until you find the
pileup... easy !

Using 1812 allowed him to work NA and JA

No matter what some people just never clue in ...

Glenn VA3DX

Subject: Re: Topband: Unintentional QRM on TB


Jim,

I disagree with your final comment. The sender is always responsible for 
insuring he won't cause interference to ongoing communications when he comes 
on frequency. Yes, the directions from HK0NA were unclear but I would 
venture he was listening for JAs as their bandplan limits their operations 
considerably but it's no excuse for muddied directions.

73,
Jim W5QM



Subject: Topband: Unintentional QRM on TB

I listened to HK0NA this morning around 1.8328 and he was sending 12 after 
his CQ.
and folks were madly calling 12 Khz up, and 12 Khz down from his frequency.

Also lots of callers were calling around 1.812.

All I have is RIT on the 5w. Elecraft K1 and couldn't work him even if I had 
dual VFOs anyway
but I still don't know what that 12 meant, but there sure was ample 
opportunity for unintentional QRM to occur to other stations and not be 
entirely the fault of the sender.

73,

jim / W1FMR


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